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Old 01-29-2013, 06:40 AM #1
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Best thing I EVER added to my res...

So, I've recently tried adding a fish tank filter to my 25 gal hydro res.

Holy crap...the results are amazing!!

I have never seen such a clean res, or such healthy plants!

I have for years run no dump res and experimented with all sorts of different combos of products. Some worked some didn't. By the end...or even the middle of the run I would get some slime building up on my air lines and pump lines. Always made it through though, then would just scrub everything out. No problem.

Now I have added a simple, cheap fish tank filter (tetra) right from wally world. Bio bag filter...which you replace monthly (cheap, couple of bucks )...which harbors/ cultivates beneficial bacteria, and a simple mesh filter which can be washed out.

I'm running GH 3 part, keeping an eye on my EC, that's it. Looks like I could drink my solution, just slightly tinted color. Gorgeous results. I have been foliar feeding with Flourolicous Plus and a carbo product. The plants look incredible!!

I have yet to see it all the way through...I'm currently 4 weeks into 8.5 or 9. (just in the wanting of disclosure) But so far so very good. (And I've seen enough to have a handle on what's happening, and how it will turn out!!)

Just wanted to share...I'm always trying to help others out, and like the thread title says this is the best thing I've ever seen. I added the 10-30 gal version to my one res...they even have a 2-10 gal version which I put into my EZ cloner...all very promising!! I currently have plans to add one to each of my reservoirs. I'm even thinking that the 2-10 gal one would work great in a "side show" 5 gal DWC.

So far the only "bad" thing I have even remotely noticed is the need of a touch more of the "green" bottle (couple of extra mL per gal) That's it!

Let me know if anyone knows of any reason not to use fish filters in hydro...otherwise everyone should add one tomorrow!! It's incredible!

Good Luck all

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Old 01-29-2013, 11:32 AM #2
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This is a great idea! Just make sure that you don't use activated carbon in your filter, because that might actually absorb your nutrients.
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welcome to bio-buckets. well, not exactly. you are starting to see the benefits of running a 'bio system'. read up on bio-buckets and you just may convert your style to 'set it and forget it' bio-buckets...

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If it's a biological filter that's helping you, you should get into the habit of not replacing it and having to rebuild your nitrifying populations all over again. At most, rinse it, and rinse only part of it. I'm not familiar with the particular 'thing' you're using as you describe it, but that's what I would do.
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Hey Hush...yeah, I think it does have activated carbon, and I think I did notice some absorption problems at first...but a bit more of the green bottle added to the solution, and within a week or so everything balanced out and looked fine.

Cravin...I actually ran bio buckets and am familiar with the concept. This is a lot easier and doesn't take the same level of "specific" set up as the bio bucket system. IDK..my thoughts anyway. This is more versatile...I mean I even put it in my EZ cloner...and I could see putting a small 2-10 gal unit in a 5 gal DWC stand alone to improve the results.

moodster...no picture, sorry. But tetra fish filter. That's it, easy to find in any pet store, or pet section of a big store. I've seen other brands...but I picked up the tetra and just sized it to my res.

Pet flora, I actually want to try that nute line myself...looks awesome. I would still use the filter though, regardless of the nute I choose. (from the results I have seen...clean as a whistle)

Sea Maiden...I do realize that's what's helping me (it was one of the reasons I wanted to try it, along with the cleanliness)...do you really think not exchanging the "bio-bag" is the move?? They (the manufacturer) suggests rinsing the filter part as you suggest...but replacing the "bio-bag" part. Let me know if you have specific info about that. Thanks...

Good luck all...
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I have two fresh water aquariums, both have been carbon free for over two years. My water is crystal clear and the fish are happy. I have not changed the water at all, only topped off.
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Do you think this concept could be added and used with Autopots and would it be beneficial there aswell?
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Hey Hush...yeah, I think it does have activated carbon, and I think I did notice some absorption problems at first...but a bit more of the green bottle added to the solution, and within a week or so everything balanced out and looked fine.

Cravin...I actually ran bio buckets and am familiar with the concept. This is a lot easier and doesn't take the same level of "specific" set up as the bio bucket system. IDK..my thoughts anyway. This is more versatile...I mean I even put it in my EZ cloner...and I could see putting a small 2-10 gal unit in a 5 gal DWC stand alone to improve the results.

moodster...no picture, sorry. But tetra fish filter. That's it, easy to find in any pet store, or pet section of a big store. I've seen other brands...but I picked up the tetra and just sized it to my res.

Pet flora, I actually want to try that nute line myself...looks awesome. I would still use the filter though, regardless of the nute I choose. (from the results I have seen...clean as a whistle)

Sea Maiden...I do realize that's what's helping me (it was one of the reasons I wanted to try it, along with the cleanliness)...do you really think not exchanging the "bio-bag" is the move?? They (the manufacturer) suggests rinsing the filter part as you suggest...but replacing the "bio-bag" part. Let me know if you have specific info about that. Thanks...

Good luck all...
The specific information is that if there's carbon in there, once it's ad/absorbed compounds, it's done. However, it does also provide 'housing' for microbes, specifically Nitrosomonas and Nitrobacter spp (you'll recognize those genus names if you're into soil science at all--they're your nitrifiers; i.e. they oxidize NH4 {ammonia} --> NO2 {nitrite} --> {nitrate} NO3).

Now, that's the rub with the bio-bag, it's the condominium complex for your nitrifiers. See, they're benthic, meaning that they must live attached to surfaces (as opposed to free-floating, which are pretty much almost never good), so they need that housing. If you remove completely all that housing, you have to build up the populations of nitrifiers all over again. Why? There's no logical reason to do that, but there are plenty of logical reasons to rinse the carbon and replace or recharge it.

Unless the manufacturer has somehow figured out how to keep that media inoculated with those species of bacteria, it makes zero sense to me to wait on rebuilding those populations, which in freshwater takes about 2 weeks for the whole cycle to complete.

Do you want an explanation on how this cycle goes? You're not running an aquarium, and I think you do want some readable NH4 in there, as it's what plants can utilize directly, IIRC. Not just the NO3.
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