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Old 03-03-2007, 09:27 PM #41
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Ya, I just posted on this earlier in this thread.... I do it to get some seeds really quick then kill the males, and revert the girls right after they show they've been pollinated..... peace....
Sweet... So no risk of hermies at all?
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welcome E MAN, nice to c u on icm and the 12/12 thread
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Old 03-03-2007, 10:29 PM #43
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Great to see all y'all!

Lofty...

If you are planning on getting a bunch 'o beans at the 420 Cup, I'm not sure if it matters which one's ya pick. I would suggest gettin yourself some genetics that would give you the phenotypes, buzz most crucial of course, that fit your wants and needs. Since we don't really have an established "strain report" section yet, we don't really know what to test. If you wanted your experiments to be the most useful for the general readership of this thread, then picking some beans from the most popular varieties would seem the way to go. Whatever you pick, if you grow them the 12/12 way, and then do a report on them as to how they responded to this lighting, that will be a fantastic contribution to our goal.

About the 420 Cup...don't forget to take some pictures of the goings on and make sure you post them here when ya get back...you lucky dog ya!

Make sure you give your friend WRITTEN instructions for taking care of your ladies while you are away...I have been dissappointed a few times in my life when I relied on a caretaker to remember my verbal instructions...better safe than sorry.

Regarding doing a poll...I don't think it is possible to do a poll within this thread, but I might be wrong...if so, someone who knows better be sure to chime in.

HighOnTheChronic...

I believe that putting the sprouts directly into 12/12 until they reveal sex is safe...but I'm not 100% sure on that. That would be a good question for Atmosphere to answer, I think my info on the subject was gotten from him on the OG thread, probably want to make sure by asking him directly.

It seems like either way you do the light shift, you will be applying stress to the plants that they don't encounter in nature. Whether you start them off in 12/12 and switch to a vegetative schedule, or you start them off au natural with vegetative light...then switch to 12/12...then back again after they show, none of that is what they naturally encounter. Besides, don't the plants naturally show pre-flowers somewhere around week 4? I personally would go with starting them straight off in 12/12, doesn't seem to cause enough problems with hermies to keep Atmosphere from using this method for many years now. You will save some time that way...and some work too.

Hey Elephant Man!...

Dude! Welcome to the light my man. Lurking is a fine thing in my book...akin to the curious individual who is seen and not heard, but is listening intently the entire time. When that individual eventually speaks, they are possessed of wisdom that their comtemporaries value highly...no pun intended!

Sounds to me like you will be of HIGH value to this thread and growing method. You have genetics out the wazoo, and seem to really like the idea of growing this way, and also seem like you want to help educate the masses.

I'm sure I speak for us all when I say that I really look forward to your future posts.

I am interested in growing some sativas this way, so especially look forward to your sativa posts.

Atmosphere is the guy who deserves most of the praise...He introduced me and everyone else to this great method, and he is the one who really has the expertise, he is the GURU OF "BORN IN FLOWER". I really like that phrase you came up with, never heard it referred to that way "born in flower" has a nice ring to it.

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this thread makes we want to switch now at three weeks and kind of mad i didnt go 12/12 from seed
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Mucho mojo to you all mi amigos, I basically stumbled upon this thread after a little 'goose chase'...to make a long story short, I like psychoactive weed and had alot of fun quite by accident with a strong sativa-dom that hit over 7' indoor with 6 week veg on my first grow. A frend and mentor who also prefers 'head highs' and understood my description of the freaky type, suggested I locate the 'grail' from Manal, a small town in Vietnam. From there I found a good read on sativas and light cycles by DJ Short, an article on Vietnamese sativa from 'High Times' and then I found this article from a seed bank I have used...not sure if I can post the link, so I will just copy and paste the description.

This is how my researching brought me here:

Spice Brothers: Viet. Combo, Vietnamese x Vietnamese Black

OUT OF STOCK......................... ..............................

Offspring of this cross has produced a range of outcomes from the trippiest to soaring highs while others can bring on paranoia, racing heart beat and hallucinations for those not used to it. Generally speaking Viet combo's most early finishing phenos are around 10+ weeks, which is the fastest pheno I've found to date. A large majority will finish around the 12 -14 weeks while the rare odd freak will try and push past the 15 week but what an awesome racing head high these have known to produce. A few to many hits from one of these wonders I found myself staggering around like a drunken sailor with no control over my body. Not for light weight smokers and recommended for only experienced growers if attempted indoors. For indoor grows I highly recommend flowering direct from seed and provide ample light to achieve maximum results. A good curing period is essential for a quality smoking session.

So there you go...recommend 'birth in flower' hehe. Let me know if anyone finds it...and yeah, I have done 12+ week strains before.

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just be aware some plants will literally be 1 gram yields.

but I've had them go 7ft from seed in 100days too.


very hard to guess what they'll do. my personal opionon, unless you have a specific reason to do so I wouldn't just go about flowering your plants from seed. most stay small and yield low. even sativa hybrids. some don't most do.

I used to do it on super sativas indoors to control height.
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just be aware some plants will literally be 1 gram yields.

but I've had them go 7ft from seed in 100days too.


very hard to guess what they'll do. my personal opionon, unless you have a specific reason to do so I wouldn't just go about flowering your plants from seed. most stay small and yield low. even sativa hybrids. some don't most do.

I used to do it on super sativas indoors to control height.
I believe you...I had a godbud cross that did not seem to like this method, any 'one grammers' I get will be pollinated and grown out in veg next time.

I make seed because I prefer to grow from seed so in my case it won't hurt to toss a few beans in flower...ya know?
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HighOnTheChronic...

I believe that putting the sprouts directly into 12/12 until they reveal sex is safe...but I'm not 100% sure on that. That would be a good question for Atmosphere to answer, I think my info on the subject was gotten from him on the OG thread, probably want to make sure by asking him directly.

It seems like either way you do the light shift, you will be applying stress to the plants that they don't encounter in nature. Whether you start them off in 12/12 and switch to a vegetative schedule, or you start them off au natural with vegetative light...then switch to 12/12...then back again after they show, none of that is what they naturally encounter. Besides, don't the plants naturally show pre-flowers somewhere around week 4? I personally would go with starting them straight off in 12/12, doesn't seem to cause enough problems with hermies to keep Atmosphere from using this method for many years now. You will save some time that way...and some work too.
Hi Hal,

Thanks for that. I also share these thoughts. AFAIK the only thing that can cause hermies (with regards to light) is erratic cycles, light leaks etc. Fixed cycles shouldn't do any harm

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Old 03-04-2007, 01:09 AM #49
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just be aware some plants will literally be 1 gram yields.

but I've had them go 7ft from seed in 100days too.


very hard to guess what they'll do. my personal opionon, unless you have a specific reason to do so I wouldn't just go about flowering your plants from seed. most stay small and yield low. even sativa hybrids. some don't most do.

I used to do it on super sativas indoors to control height.
Damn fine example of mis-information there Mot.

Do you consider harvesting 1 gram per watt a low yield? On my first try at this method (and only my second pot grow) I got at least one ounce dried from each of the 4 plants that I grew. I am a newb, and getting an ounce from plants that ranged in height from 12" to 23" is a fairly successful grow. Atmosphere gets 1 gram per watt. Many others have testified to similar harvests.

To write in your post to fear yields of "literally 1 gram" from a plant is complete bullshit. We've heard that crap before, and it just isn't true. If you only got 1 damn gram from a plant, you must be terrible at growing pot.

If you want to criticize this method then please keep your criticism within the bounds of reason, and stay away from smear tactics.

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12/12 from Seed is great i currently have 3 in my flower box from seed they started out as an experiment(had a hermie plant thas i let seed) just for kiks and now ill keep at least 1 in the closet always they dont measure in waight as a vegged plant could but All that quality is still there. its all in the hands of the grower.
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