sourcing landrace genetics

bf80255 · Aug 22, 2014

Hi all! Was hoping to get in touch with charlie garcia or dubi but i cant pm yet apparently so heres my thread, ive been planning to take a few vacations to key points in the world panama, malawi, vietnam, peru to try and find my own sources of landrace genetics (intrested in preserving crop genetic diversity) and was just curious as to wether you had any hints or tips on finding good local genetics in not so farniliar lands. Or any personal stories of how you saught out ace's own genetics that you use in your products? Any info is very much appreciated and much love to the ace crew and all that you do for cannabis.

warcraft74 · Aug 23, 2014

bf80255 said:
Hi all! Was hoping to get in touch with charlie garcia or dubi but i cant pm yet apparently so heres my thread, ive been planning to take a few vacations to key points in the world panama, malawi, vietnam, peru to try and find my own sources of landrace genetics (intrested in preserving crop genetic diversity) and was just curious as to wether you had any hints or tips on finding good local genetics in not so farniliar lands. Or any personal stories of how you saught out ace's own genetics that you use in your products? Any info is very much appreciated and much love to the ace crew and all that you do for cannabis.

i'm sure there's lots of legwork involved and could possibly even be dangerous in some places like thailand, where i hear there's some pretty strict laws on the green leaf.

enjoy your travels, and good luck finding some flamo genetics.

DemonPigeon · Aug 23, 2014

My advice is find someone who lives there and ask them to mail you some seeds.

Travelling sounds like a good idea but in real life it's far less practical and more expensive. Also accidental trespass, struggling to find a local contacts, possession arrests all make travelling less good than just asking someone to send you a batch of seeds when they return to the old country.

Go to a university campus, find some international stoners. It's not glamorous but it's more effective.

bf80255 · Aug 23, 2014

Thanks demon pigeon, that is some sound advice youve got there, but part of the reason for travelling is because 1.i love to travel 2. I qould like to documebt to the best of my abilitues the state of landraces in the native lands they hail from (population density, distribution yadfa yadda 3. I would like to develop some of those local contacts you mentioned and lastly i love experiencing culture and this seems to be the perfect excuse for me (plus i can make it a fun documentary for my stoner bretheren)

DemonPigeon · Aug 23, 2014

Well have fun and try to stay safe, I can see that it's a lot more exciting lol

If you can try making contacts before travelling it'll save you time from your overall schedule, I can never find dealers abroad lol, oh, also, do you speak any other languages? You should at least make sure you get as many local terms as you can to find the right weed, "Punto Rojo" (literally Red Point) as an obvious example as "Panama Red" was an american name for a characteristic also present in other countries like Columbia.

And I look forward to watching the documentary

yortbogey · Aug 23, 2014

title fixed

zachrockbadenof · Aug 23, 2014

going to Malawi...WOW...be safe...

bf80255 · Aug 23, 2014

DemonPigeon said:
Well have fun and try to stay safe, I can see that it's a lot more exciting lol

If you can try making contacts before travelling it'll save you time from your overall schedule, I can never find dealers abroad lol, oh, also, do you speak any other languages? You should at least make sure you get as many local terms as you can to find the right weed, "Punto Rojo" (literally Red Point) as an obvious example as "Panama Red" was an american name for a characteristic also present in other countries like Columbia.

And I look forward to watching the documentary

Again very sound advice, im not fluent but i do speak some spanish and can understand well enough, i am also a combat veteran and know how to handle myself in compromising situations (plus im not a small guy) so safety although a top priority isnt something im too stressed about.... this is also the reason i will not travel to the middle east ive been there before and have no desirebto return.... it wasnt fun haha
Another ace in my sleeve is the fact that im a mix of races and so appear to be either mexican/ native american/ or phillipino (im brown and have chinky eyes lol)
So not being white is a big advantage in south asian and south american locales.... and probably be better with africans too imo.

bf80255 · Aug 23, 2014

yortbogey said:
title fixed

Thank you, i didnt catch this because im on my phone

porn · Aug 25, 2014

Hi, at Perú there are many landrace sativas "Moño Rojo", Perucha, Roja, derived from Colombian Punto Rojo I think, also theres some peruvian skunk (maybe landrace x some skunk or hibrid). Also if you go Bolivia visit Sorata if you can (there are many landrace sativas there, very cheap also).

Mustafunk · Aug 25, 2014

I don't want to be pessimistic but I guess its a bit late for many of those places already, where the traditional heirloom strains dissapeared or become extint in the last decades and most people is already growing hybrids, autoflowering and commercial strains.

Especially all those legendary names as Punto Rojo, Panama Red and so on. Some breeders have been growing south american landraces for this last few years and even went there to gather strains to only find out that everything is mixed and gone. Most of this stuff is actually preserved by growers all over the world than in their places of origin.

Hard to find nowadays remote villages in traditional marijuana producing countries with farmers that still grow traditionally and remain relatively isolated. Each time is more difficult due to the globalisation.

Vibes.

DemonPigeon · Aug 25, 2014

Mustafunk said:
I don't want to be pessimistic but I guess its a bit late for many of those places already, where the traditional heirloom strains dissapeared or become extint in the last decades and most people is already growing hybrids, autoflowering and commercial strains.

Especially all those legendary names as Punto Rojo, Panama Red and so on. Some breeders have been growing south american landraces for this last few years and even went there to gather strains to only find out that everything is mixed and gone. Most of this stuff is actually preserved by growers all over the world than in their places of origin.

Hard to find nowadays remote villages in traditional marijuana producing countries with farmers that still grow traditionally and remain relatively isolated. Each time is more difficult due to the globalisation.

Vibes.

That's the issue with Greenhouse seeds giving their seeds to people they meet on strain hunters, even if the plants they collect are landrace they are leaving behind their own strains which in a couple of generations will be outbreeding the local strains for kilometers around.

MJBadger · Aug 25, 2014

bf80 , get your posts up to 50+ then you can PM . I have some Thai landrace ( Chiang Mai ) that you may be interested in talking about as I know there are a few strains over there & these are more or less exclusive to the Chiang Mai area which has always been heavily controlled by bad boys & is probably like a war zone now .

dubi · Aug 30, 2014

Welcome bf80255,

I just recently come back from Laos and it's great a country to look for interesting untouched landrace sativas. Quite safe and calm, lovely country in all senses (especially the people and landscapes in the north).

Had the pleasure to experience the mind blowing weed from Savannakhet, southern Laos, it has a very complex and long lasting mental effect that becomes opium like after 2-3 hours. Very strong. And the northern laotian sativas too, grown in the mountains by the Hmong: dark color type of weed, more energetic and paranoid type of high, with a hazy taste.

I didn't find any sign of western/modern influence in laos genetics and the samples i tried were mostly unseeded and high quality so the growers there certainly know what they are doing.

It's harder to find nowadays untouched landrace sativas in latin america, you will need very good contacts to find them.

Best wishes on your quest!

MJBadger · Aug 30, 2014

I just recently come back from Laos and it's great a country to look for interesting untouched landrace sativas

Because of all the police corruption & government panic in Thailand I have read about a lot of landrace Thai sativas that went into Laos Cambodia & Vietnam so determining if they came from the country they were sourced in is going to be a bit difficult . Love to see canna going around the world but it has it`s drawbacks .
One of the most powerful smokes I ever had was from Barbados , floored me in no time & I got so messed up I thought the J had been laced with heroin & lasted for hours .

bf80255 · Sep 16, 2014

Mustafunk said:
I don't want to be pessimistic but I guess its a bit late for many of those places already, where the traditional heirloom strains dissapeared or become extint in the last decades and most people is already growing hybrids, autoflowering and commercial strains.

Especially all those legendary names as Punto Rojo, Panama Red and so on. Some breeders have been growing south american landraces for this last few years and even went there to gather strains to only find out that everything is mixed and gone. Most of this stuff is actually preserved by growers all over the world than in their places of origin.

Hard to find nowadays remote villages in traditional marijuana producing countries with farmers that still grow traditionally and remain relatively isolated. Each time is more difficult due to the globalisation.

Vibes.

well part of what i want to do is document the decline of these family heirlooms and landraces while collecting genetics, pictures, video and making connection with my fellow global tokers

by that i mean documenting to the best of my abilities the growers methods and population sizes as well as population health, number of locals growing, foreign influence on genetics, and things of that nature before its too late to collect! and maybe one day reintroduction of those priceless genetics to here homelands and with the connections ill be making hopefully be able to empower local farmers with knowlege on preservation and growing techniques to better there situations and keep these landraces growing "local" for generations to come....... well thats the long term goal at least

bf80255 · Sep 16, 2014

MJBadger said:
bf80 , get your posts up to 50+ then you can PM . I have some Thai landrace ( Chiang Mai ) that you may be interested in talking about as I know there are a few strains over there & these are more or less exclusive to the Chiang Mai area which has always been heavily controlled by bad boys & is probably like a war zone now .

I will do that as soon as possible, i actually love thai strains but ive heard that the only pure lines left growing are farms owned by big seed companies so i didnt think itd be a worthwhile first or even second or third stop.

bf80255 · Sep 16, 2014

dubi said:
Welcome bf80255,

I just recently come back from Laos and it's great a country to look for interesting untouched landrace sativas. Quite safe and calm, lovely country in all senses (especially the people and landscapes in the north).

Had the pleasure to experience the mind blowing weed from Savannakhet, southern Laos, it has a very complex and long lasting mental effect that becomes opium like after 2-3 hours. Very strong. And the northern laotian sativas too, grown in the mountains by the Hmong: dark color type of weed, more energetic and paranoid type of high, with a hazy taste.

I didn't find any sign of western/modern influence in laos genetics and the samples i tried were mostly unseeded and high quality so the growers there certainly know what they are doing.

It's harder to find nowadays untouched landrace sativas in latin america, you will need very good contacts to find them.

Best wishes on your quest!

thanks for stopping in Dubi!!

let me just start by saying i read a lot of your posts and the work your doing with ACE is outstanding! love you guys! You truly are living the dream my friend.

now that thats out of the way, have you guys given any consideration to Myanmar? ive heard that they are allowing Americans into the country and seems like a great place to grow. how long of a flower time do those strains have? were you able to see any of the plants still live? do they deal with botrytis down in southeast asia much?

I am leaning really hard towards Vietnam, possibly trekking with some hmong people and searching through the more remote mountain areas for viet dalat or viet black im pretty sure that at least 1 small group still maintains these genetics. whats everyone elses thoughts on that?

dubi · Sep 22, 2014

Hi bf80255,

Myanmar is definately a very interesting country to visit, not only for seed hunting. The country is now more open for foreigners.

SE asian sativas have overall very good resistance against botrytis, and they usually need 3-5 months to finish the flowering.

If you are thinking to trek in Vietnam and visit the tribes, Sapa in the north is the place.

bf80255 · Sep 27, 2014

dubi said:
Hi bf80255,

Myanmar is definately a very interesting country to visit, not only for seed hunting. The country is now more open for foreigners.

SE asian sativas have overall very good resistance against botrytis, and they usually need 3-5 months to finish the flowering.

If you are thinking to trek in Vietnam and visit the tribes, Sapa in the north is the place.

ive been doing research day after day on these places and a lot of the info im finding is pretty discouraging :/

thanks again for that very relevant and useful info dubi, do you think id be able to find anything growing wild in the forest or trekking up in that area? I had actually planned to do some volunteerwork with sapa o'chau while there and maybe make a few good local connections along the way, its such a beautiful place ive dreamed of going for a very long time and I beleive i will be doing so in the very near future (within a year) have you been to the area? i would love to hear personal accounts of your journey

that is a trait that could come in very handy if I were able to isolate a population of truly botrytis resistant plants from that area i would consider that a massive success!

have also been considering India as my second location seeing as they have wild populations of cannabis growing everywhere i figure something out there must have some useful genes to bring back and preserve especially with all these new blights and plant diseases affecting crops they never did before, makes me worry about the future of cannabis with all these new growers and higher densities of plants in cities coupled with people using the same stale old genetics and clones, its only a matter of time imo. but anyway not trying to babble just give an idea as to my motivations behind sourcing my own landrace genetics.

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