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Old 07-05-2020, 08:49 AM #1
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First of im ecstatic to be here. Been lurking for a long time but living in a tiny apartment i never seriously considered growing but ICMags 1oz shot glass challenge honestly inspired me give it a go. I only had 1 bagseed from a pack from 2016-17 when I was moving packs and germed it. Initially was going to do a 1 oz shot glass but decided to re-pot into a (massive lol ) 16 oz take out chinese food container (nyc represent). Using soil obviously! Plant is around 5-6 weeks since planting germed seed so far and amazingly I havent killed it. I have a 50w chep LED Board running over it.



Started watering w only filtered tap water when a sprout- have been watering w diluted kelp extract for a few weeks now.



I have noticed some irregular coloring in the leaves the past few days including fried leaf tips that made me think the plant might have a Nitrogen deficiency/be too close to the light so I raised the LEDs. (Leaves were around 90F which i felt too hot even w fans circulating)



Here are the leaves which made me think this:

Burnt tips/light green-




Red Stems-




Healthy-ish vs not healthy leaf comparison-




Ok so well thanks to this great website I believe that this might be a nitrogen deficiency and the red stems may be a phosphorous deficiency but I really have no idea what im doing


Also I got my kelp extract thru ebay and contacted the seller recently who told me the npk of it is 0-0-0 which seems impossible? I know its supposed to low but a straight up 0-0-0 seems strange. Small browinsh spots on leaves are from dried kelp/water from foliar feeding if anyone's wondering


I put about 3 earthworms in my little container to keep my girl company about a week ago- I added some brown shredded paper the other day too.(based on what i read about green:brown compost ratios)


Soil temps are steady around 80F and so are the leaves. Hoping to pick up a soil pH tester/PAR meter thingy monday to have the most info possible



Ok so wonderful ppl @ ICmag- Am I correct that this is a Nitrogen deficiency in the leaves? This plant is at about 6 nodes of leaves but the bottom 2-3 sets are in varying stages of yellowing- I know its normal for lower growths to die out when the canopy covers them but that seems to me a bit premature for my plant here. Also- how can i expect the nitrogen in the coffee grounds to become available to my plant ( i read it can be a several months long affair) but since I hope the worms will be eating it it might breakdown quicker/be available thru castings.


Also- I am hoping to switch to flower soonish but dont want to until i have a better hand on my plants nutrient needs- I have a 50 watt incandescent bulb i picked up a while ago- It seems a little odd but is there any way or any problem when combining LED lighting w an incandescent bulb lol? Itd be tricky to set up w the LED board but I know plants need more light in flower so I wanna know if its even worthwhile to consider!


Thanks so much guys im so happy to finally make a post here on ICMag- Hope this post isnt too long


P.S- Anyone have any guesses as to this plants sex by looking at the red stems? I confuse myself and change my mind everytime i try to get a good look
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Are there drainage holes in the bottom of the pot?
The soil looks wet to me. Be sure to let it dry out before watering. You can lift the pot to feel how heavy it is. A dry pot is feather light.

Maybe try to get some (organic) fertilizer for it as well. Kelp meal alone isn't going to be really enough for it.

The red stems might be a sign it's a bit cold. What is the day and night time temperature?
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Yeah soil looks too wet unless you have just watered before the picture was taken.
Also I think your plant needs a bit more nitrogen and some micro nutrients.
A decent fertiliser like the biobizz range for example will sort it quickly.
She's not too bad, I wouldn't worry and maybe do less helicoptering ;-)
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Thanks guys


Yeah Im def the stereotypical helicopter plant parent haha funny how u caught on that quickly-


Drainage is very good actually- excess water seeps out holes in pot 3-4 seconds after watering. These photos were actually taken right after watering/soaking the soil until bottom began to drip. I do have a tendency to overwater in general but i think i have a better handle on that now- watering about every 4 days when the pot is dry/light like cvh said
Temp is steady at around 80F on the soil surface + top sets of leaves during the day- Not quite sure about night but its summer here in nyc and it hasnt rly dropped below 65-70Fin a while


Thanks for the input everyone- found a place near me that sells foxfarm fertilizer so gonna try to grab some later although I will def research/look for biobizz too


As for the roots- i read somewhere that covering a container in some materials (i.e. aluminum foil) can trap heat in the container and overheat the soil. Would covering the sides in some fabric be safe? Also since some porous fabric pots air prune roots- does light have a similar effect/prevent it from getting root bound?
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Thanks guys


Yeah Im def the stereotypical helicopter plant parent haha funny how u caught on that quickly-


Drainage is very good actually- excess water seeps out holes in pot 3-4 seconds after watering. These photos were actually taken right after watering/soaking the soil until bottom began to drip. I do have a tendency to overwater in general but i think i have a better handle on that now- watering about every 4 days when the pot is dry/light like cvh said
Temp is steady at around 80F on the soil surface + top sets of leaves during the day- Not quite sure about night but its summer here in nyc and it hasnt rly dropped below 65-70Fin a while


Thanks for the input everyone- found a place near me that sells foxfarm fertilizer so gonna try to grab some later although I will def research/look for biobizz too


As for the roots- i read somewhere that covering a container in some materials (i.e. aluminum foil) can trap heat in the container and overheat the soil. Would covering the sides in some fabric be safe? Also since some porous fabric pots air prune roots- does light have a similar effect/prevent it from getting root bound?



hahaha because we all do it!
Most plants do better without our full attention.
She will root through the medium no matter what, but better keep the roots in the dark. Fabric pots are great and roots won't penetrate through the fabric normally (unless the bottoms stay wet, then they'll go after the moisture). When you take a fully rootbound plant in a fabric pot, after harvest for example, you'll find the roots have grown in circles around/along the fabric sidewalls.
They come off a bit harder but I like them for better aeration.
All the best, as DC said you've come to the right place!
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Do you find you have to water more often Chevy?Have always been put off them for that reason.I would like to use them as can get some that are wider with less height than all the big plastic pots that are available.

I'm very surprised that you've managed to get a plant to that size in such a small amount of soil Laszlo.Put it into a bigger pot and it will be fine.
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Grr,is a pain not being able to edit.Put the plant into a gallon pot and she will green up and start growing again.
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Do you find you have to water more often Chevy?Have always been put off them for that reason.I would like to use them as can get some that are wider with less height than all the big plastic pots that are available.

I'm very surprised that you've managed to get a plant to that size in such a small amount of soil Laszlo.Put it into a bigger pot and it will be fine.

Yes they do dry out quicker. But this is mostly an issue with smaller ones, say smaller 1G/4L pots which can dry out quickly with mature sized plants in them.
Had no issue from 8L/2G upwards, it's just more soil holds, more water and takes lomger to dry out...

But I'd take that as a plus in coco. Plants seem to thrive on the wet/dry cycles in coco. Just don't let it fully dry out!
Keep going!!

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First of im ecstatic to be here. Been lurking for a long time but living in a tiny apartment i never seriously considered growing but ICMags 1oz shot glass challenge honestly inspired me give it a go. I only had 1 bagseed from a pack from 2016-17 when I was moving packs and germed it. Initially was going to do a 1 oz shot glass but decided to re-pot into a (massive lol ) 16 oz take out chinese food container (nyc represent). Using soil obviously! Plant is around 5-6 weeks since planting germed seed so far and amazingly I havent killed it. I have a 50w chep LED Board running over it.



Started watering w only filtered tap water when a sprout- have been watering w diluted kelp extract for a few weeks now.




I have noticed some irregular coloring in the leaves the past few days including fried leaf tips that made me think the plant might have a Nitrogen deficiency/be too close to the light so I raised the LEDs. (Leaves were around 90F which i felt too hot even w fans circulating)



Here are the leaves which made me think this:

Burnt tips/light green- View Image View ImageView Image




Red Stems-View Image




Healthy-ish vs not healthy leaf comparison- View Image




Ok so well thanks to this great website I believe that this might be a nitrogen deficiency and the red stems may be a phosphorous deficiency but I really have no idea what im doing


Also I got my kelp extract thru ebay and contacted the seller recently who told me the npk of it is 0-0-0 which seems impossible? I know its supposed to low but a straight up 0-0-0 seems strange. Small browinsh spots on leaves are from dried kelp/water from foliar feeding if anyone's wondering


I put about 3 earthworms in my little container to keep my girl company about a week ago- I added some brown shredded paper the other day too.(based on what i read about green:brown compost ratios)


Soil temps are steady around 80F and so are the leaves. Hoping to pick up a soil pH tester/PAR meter thingy monday to have the most info possible



Ok so wonderful ppl @ ICmag- Am I correct that this is a Nitrogen deficiency in the leaves? This plant is at about 6 nodes of leaves but the bottom 2-3 sets are in varying stages of yellowing- I know its normal for lower growths to die out when the canopy covers them but that seems to me a bit premature for my plant here. Also- how can i expect the nitrogen in the coffee grounds to become available to my plant ( i read it can be a several months long affair) but since I hope the worms will be eating it it might breakdown quicker/be available thru castings.


Also- I am hoping to switch to flower soonish but dont want to until i have a better hand on my plants nutrient needs- I have a 50 watt incandescent bulb i picked up a while ago- It seems a little odd but is there any way or any problem when combining LED lighting w an incandescent bulb lol? Itd be tricky to set up w the LED board but I know plants need more light in flower so I wanna know if its even worthwhile to consider!


Thanks so much guys im so happy to finally make a post here on ICMag- Hope this post isnt too long


P.S- Anyone have any guesses as to this plants sex by looking at the red stems? I confuse myself and change my mind everytime i try to get a good look
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You are correct on N being low also some of my strains show those racing stripes on the stem when P gets low. I used FF grow, bloom and micro when I first started and had very good results. Be sure to use all three and start out at half strength.
On the bulb. get some screw in LED's and a clamp fixture. You can find some folks on IC flowering with those.
Happy growing
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