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Old 07-19-2017, 11:56 PM #21
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LOL the beautiful silver lining here is that with legal recreational use, people can grow it, too.

Cannabis is far easier to grow than say, tobacco... and that's why you don't see anyone growing their own tobacco to smoke.

Weed?

hahaha easy.

So many ppl are growing it now that I'm sure if anyone asks around, someone will GIVE them some.
The currently lucrative legal market won't be able to compete if they keep gouging.
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Old 07-20-2017, 05:26 PM #22
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For too long, our conversation about marijuana has centered on a tired, old idea that says we either have to lock people up for smoking pot or “legalize it.” The former can ruin lives over one joint. The latter would make marijuana the next tobacco industry. Neither is in the interest of public health and safety. We don’t have to legalize (and commercialize) marijuana – but we don’t need a “War on Drugs” approach either. That’s where Smart Approaches to Marijuana (SAM) comes in.
SAM promotes science-driven, evidence-based reforms that discourage use while avoiding criminal penalties. There are a wide array of smart-on-crime alternatives that remove criminal penalties for smoking marijuana including drug courts, pre-trial diversion programs, and probation reform. Communities are healthier and safer when these reforms are coupled with prevention and treatment programs.
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Old 07-30-2017, 05:26 PM #23
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is it better than before? yes
is it what we voted for? no
is it HOW we voted for it to be ("like alcohol" regulations)? no
is it a joke?
a cruel one
So take the psudo - legalization and.......................
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Old 07-30-2017, 06:37 PM #24
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It's time to wake up, and quit wishing and hoping. Az marijuana laws will never favor the home grower or private purchaser.

The current setup in place assures it will never happen. The DHS will not let the Medical program vanish without replacing it something to fatten their pockets even more. Has anyone wondered why the prices of garbage quality "medicine" have been so high in AZ? Are dispensaries like Trumed, still retailing $17 grams (plus charging the customer their business transaction fees) building new locations, paying their bud tenders more? They've paid off everything, can outright buy a dozen buildings with their income. Where is that non-profit money going?

Its harder to take from these people once they already have it. Name one industry whos players are happy with zero or god forbid negative annual growth. There are none. This includes the corrupt state agencies taking payments from these dispensaries fo keep things favorable to them, the corporations.

Do you expect adhesive backed tax stamps to be given out for free? Just stick them on your baggy and you're good to go? No. Legalization is regulation, the amount of money that goes towards tax enforcement under corporate pinned legalization measures insures that untaxed weed becomes a bigger target than it is now. The Mmj database is nothing more than the forerunner to the tax tracking database. People have already been cited for possession of Cannabis, where the database shows zero taxed purchase. Its the whole reason for the database. The 2.5 oz limit is calculated on sale vs resale probability: getting the most pot sold at retail with the smallest amount resold privately.

Weed isn't legal under corporate legalization. Buying taxed weed is legal under corporate legalization. Its not legal to possess, without a tax stamp. Its not legal to grow, without a grow license. Its not legal to sell without a sales permit. Selling it is just as if not more criminal than it is now.. Unless you want to get get involved in licensing? Win the dispensary lotto? Whatever "riff-raff" sorting measures are applied to keep YOU AND ME out of the weed game? It will NEVER be in the individuals favor. I dont care what show vote is put forward. I stopped believing the legitimacy of ballots a long time ago. Its all just a rigged game, a show. Just like all politics. The corporations get what they want, no matter how they have to pull it off.

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Between the dates of 7/1/16 & 1/18/17 AZDHS had 5.5million in MMJ program expenses. This money comes from MMJ cards,and dispensary licenses, no where else. Itemization reveals numbers such as:

1.6million to U of A, supporting research/training programs for EMS, First Responder, and Marijuana Poison control. (A Google search could provide the same info needed for Marijuana poisoning!)

150k for temporary employment (??)

50k for "advertising" (advertising what? Job listings filled by imaginary people?)

650k to legal teams (are they getting sued on the regular or what?)

750k for computer consulting services (this program has been on its feet for years! What consulting takes place this far in?)

250k indirect cost transfer (N/A ascribed)

100k to Phoenix (small bribe to single office to reject all requests to ban dispensaries/grows?)

100k to Tuscon (another periodic bribe to allow these dispensaries when the conservative
population wants them out of their neighborhoods?)

22k in state travel. (to what events? Meetings with dispensary owners?)

15k for "edibles" (ok, so they are spending your taxes to get high on their day trips?! Not even hiding it!)


The bulk of the rest is NOT for employment, rather it is comprised of data analysis along the lines of database information conversion, seemingly unrelated to the purchase tracking systems. What other systems are their? Why would the DHS nees geographical/hydrology datas?

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Keep in mind there is ZERO regulation against the dispensaries grow facilities. They can have as many as they want, wherever they want them, as long as the bribes have been paid. They can use whatever pesticides and additives they desire, in any amount. They are supposedly required to disclose, but that is a joke. There is no testing, because in the words of the former director "It would raise prices too much". This is a market where prices have nearly cut in half overnight, after the review sites became flooded with complains, once people saw how much more AZ was paying than other states. I doubt the dispensaries were ever suffering so hard, with 20 dollar grams and the lowest taxes of any MMJ program, that they could not implement testing. (+25-50 cents a gram would have covered it) You will NEVER take this freedom from these producers. Money and corruption proclaims it.
No vote, no lobby, nothing will take from the monopolies free reign.


The entire marijuana program in AZ is and always will be a corrupt fraud. Its not only AZ. All the states are getting ideas from each others programs, its all just a test for corporate interests to see the best way to pull the scam off nationwide, the politicians just need their pockets padded along the way.

Do you think you'll ever be able to afford licencing for private home growing, and be able to grow enough to profit, enough to feed yourself and pay the fees at the same time? Don't kid yourself. You'll have to sell out to Phillip Morris,, and smuggle out dumpsterweed. Get fired for stealing seeds and narced out by your employer. I say PhillipMorris, referring to whoever the green equivalent will be as these monopoly entities consolidate under the same umbrella. Dont believe it?

Harvest dispensaries, the worst bud I've ever seen, (and only dispensary Ive walked out of not even curious enough to make a purchase) owns 7% of the "lottery" issued dispensary/grow licenses in AZ. SEVEN PERCENT. These entities will continue to consolidate through the various loopholes offered to them by outside management (a business expense, a loophole itself for the dispensaries to funnel money out of the current non-profit program)

These conglomos are not going to give up their pie. You cant even have a slice. You dont even get crumbs. You just get to smell it from the window, and it all smells like shit to me!
Are you sure legalization is the answer? Either way, think before you vote, cause that just makes good sense.
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Michigan must vote no, if legalization is not being written with the little guy in mind.
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Old 12-08-2017, 05:51 PM #26
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Medical Marijuana Businesses Are Beginning to Struggle in Legalized States

When a state passes recreational marijuana, people usually don't think about what will happen to the medical cannabis businesses already operating in the state. But wouldn't things just improve for them? Well, not exactly.

The Idaho Statesman recently published an article documenting how Oregon's medical marijuana industry is doing in the wake of recreational legalization. Unfortunately, the news isn't good. In Oregon, dispensaries are separated into two categories: Medical and recreational. Medical marijuana dispensaries can only sell to individuals with prescriptions for cannabis. But recreational dispensaries can sell to anyone, including those with prescriptions. So many people with cannabis prescriptions are simply going to recreational dispensaries, meaning medical only businesses are suffering as a result.

The newspaper noted that as a result, many medical marijuana dispensaries are either switching to recreational or going out of business. One county in Oregon had 31 medical dispensaries in April 2015. Today, that number is down to only two, and it's possible it will be zero next year.

Of the 21 medical dispensaries in Oregon right now, five have told the state they plan on switching to recreational next year. And only four of the 21 have indicated they plan to stay as a medical dispensary in 2018.

There's also been a decrease in the number of medical marijuana cardholders in Oregon as well. In 2015, the state had over 78,000 cardholders. That number is down to only 59,000 this year. So not only are customers going to different dispensaries, but the number of possible clients is dwindling as well.

Last spring, the Oregon state government gave dispensaries the opportunity to switch to recreational ones for 2018. And there's not really any reason not to. Medical dispensaries are allowed to sell more powerful strains of marijuana, but other than that they're virtually identical to recreational.

So it seems that if you're operating a medical dispensary in a state about to legalize recreationally, it's best that you move on. Because your business will probably suffer otherwise.
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I do not see boutique or small growers surviving in any of the western states. Most of the laws here in Oregon favor large growers, and in this state large consortiums have come in to buy up existing licenses. While they do offer small canopy grow licenses here, all licenses require the exact same very long list of requirements to be completed before you can get one. in California after 4 or so more years, the canopy limit of one acre will be lifted, and that will be an invitation to HUGE scale operation grows. Also in California, Medical weed is going away. Forget the existing system. Its will be gone. Its all going to be commercial rec weed. Oregon is considering doing the same and bailing on the OHA medical weed program.
The way I see it current legaliztion seems to favor big Cannabiz.
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I will shit the bed if any other state votes in laws that favor individual growers rights to enter a legal market.
It’s not going to happen!
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For too long, our conversation about marijuana has centered on a tired, old idea that says we either have to lock people up for smoking pot or “legalize it.” The former can ruin lives over one joint. The latter would make marijuana the next tobacco industry. Neither is in the interest of public health and safety. We don’t have to legalize (and commercialize) marijuana – but we don’t need a “War on Drugs” approach either. That’s where Smart Approaches to Marijuana (SAM) comes in.
SAM promotes science-driven, evidence-based reforms that discourage use while avoiding criminal penalties. There are a wide array of smart-on-crime alternatives that remove criminal penalties for smoking marijuana including drug courts, pre-trial diversion programs, and probation reform. Communities are healthier and safer when these reforms are coupled with prevention and treatment programs.
Kee-rist, Shag. Why should anybody have to put up with any of that for gettin' high on weed? Why the Hell should they have to put themselves into sketchy situations to score weed of dubious origin? Why should otherwise honest people need to lie to play the med card game?

I realize that a lot of members have a vested interest in the way it's been. I get that. OTOH, claiming that better serves public health & safety makes no sense to me.
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Decriminalization, obviously.

Corporate black market - something we could live without.
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