Snypette's Perpetual Musical Plants

Nice to see some girls growing!
You're doing well on those

Snypette said:

6/6/2010

#1 & #8
Edit ^.O : i have officially graduated from high school.

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Congratulations!

To me it looks like the soil is too hot for #1 and #8 .
You could try to flush it a bit, but at this stage it's kinda tricky without running into overwatering problems.

So I went on a little vacation with my mom, we went to some nice beaches and to the casino! It started out pretty good, almost doubled my money. But then the bad energies overtook, i had a spat with my mom and then lost almost everything. I stopped and saved some money (unlike Snype when he goes.. )
We made up, & all in all, had a great time.

Honkytonk said:

Congratulations!

To me it looks like the soil is too hot for #1 and #8 .
You could try to flush it a bit, but at this stage it's kinda tricky without running into overwatering problems.

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I believe the soil is ok, it is seedling starter. Snype confirmed it doesn't have a lot of nutes, but thanks for your help:]

good luck with the grow snypette,looks like you are off to a good start

I have decided not to use an LED light. There is no need to test them, because in my opinion, i know they're a scam. I asked LED girl about grams per watt, and she told me about MeanBean, saying he got over 1.7 grams per watt. But he really only got .7 grams per watt. (He used his light in 2 spaces, moving it between day and night cycles). Of course she really knows how to do math, come on now it's not stupidity it's greed. She also conveniently forgot to mention that one of her testers got .53 grams per watt (sleepy, he told me himself).
Obviously LED girl is being a shady lady, trying to capitalize off IC and sell her lights.
My Definition of an LED is a Light-emitting Dud.

Edit: getting .7 gpw is good, i'm not saying LEDs are crap, but the cost for them is completely NOT worth it unless you have a set up where heat is a problemand an AC can't be used.

2,3,4,5,&7 are under there own 250W MH. I transplanted them using FF Ocean Forest to give them some nutes.


1 & 8 are lacking a bit so i have them under a 150W cfl along with some of Snypes littlies.

Heres the individuals.. (far left:#1, far right:#8)



Notice Something Different??
#6 DIED because Snype kicked over it into oblivion


Edit: got Snypes thrips.. :/

nice set-up
if u dont mind i asking wot tipe of LED´s ur using?
a 1w led or a 3w led?
thanks gl in ur jorney

Snypette- Sometimes mutations happen, especially when popping seeds. I know in DJ short's lines, mutations are a good sign in a seedling/young veg plant, so keep an eye for 1 & 8 and see what they end up doing, it might surprise you in a really good way!

Don't flush those seedlings, they will not tolerate it. It's not a nute burn, it's a slight mutation from what I see.

I also agree with the whole LED thing, they are way too expensive. I did have a friend who did spend the $$$ on LED lights (and a lot of them) and said they sucked ass and were worthless for anything but veg. Good call on saving your money for more important things, like genetics.

So the veg room was bombed with Doktor Doom about 5 days ago because of thrips, and will be bombed again this morning to kill the newly hatched eggs. The ladies didn't seem to have any negative effect to the Doktor Doom. They are doing much better now that the damn thrips are gone and are looking healthy and green!

Here's some pictures:


#1 was struggling but is coming along nicely and looking much better (& was tranplanted). #8 was looking like it was about to die, but it's trying to make a come back (maybe because the thrips are gone?) && my leopard slippers!

Here are some individuals:


Edit: I also started a few Flava Flave x Supreme Skunk!

xinsanewickedx said:

good luck with the grow snypette,looks like you are off to a good start

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Thanks for the kind words, i can't wait to see the buds they produce!

grower.pt said:

nice set-up
if u dont mind i asking wot tipe of LED´s ur using?
a 1w led or a 3w led?
thanks gl in ur jorney

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Double Kindness said:

Snypette- Sometimes mutations happen, especially when popping seeds. I know in DJ short's lines, mutations are a good sign in a seedling/young veg plant, so keep an eye for 1 & 8 and see what they end up doing, it might surprise you in a really good way!

Don't flush those seedlings, they will not tolerate it. It's not a nute burn, it's a slight mutation from what I see.

I also agree with the whole LED thing, they are way too expensive. I did have a friend who did spend the $$$ on LED lights (and a lot of them) and said they sucked ass and were worthless for anything but veg. Good call on saving your money for more important things, like genetics.

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Ya the LEDs are definitely a no go. Money spent on equipment is an investment. The numbers don't add up. Thanks for stopping by Dk!

You could save yourself a bunch of cash if you made your own soil. Plus you'll avoid all of those thrips that always hitchhike with OF.

Snypette said:

I have decided not to use an LED light. There is no need to test them, because in my opinion, i know they're a scam. I asked LED girl about grams per watt, and she told me about MeanBean, saying he got over 1.7 grams per watt. But he really only got .7 grams per watt. (He used his light in 2 spaces, moving it between day and night cycles). Of course she really knows how to do math, come on now it's not stupidity it's greed. She also conveniently forgot to mention that one of her testers got .53 grams per watt (sleepy, he told me himself).
Obviously LED girl is being a shady lady, trying to capitalize off IC and sell her lights.
My Definition of an LED is a Light-emitting Dud.

Edit: getting .7 gpw is good, i'm not saying LEDs are crap, but the cost for them is completely NOT worth it unless you have a set up where heat is a problemand an AC can't be used.

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Posts like these are the reason HGL gets such a bad rep around here.

I've only seen two comparisons that are worth much, and that would be the one linked in my sig by Frozenguy, and the one that blazeoneup is still in the process of. LEDGirl has demonstrated exemplary customer service, and has zero patience for trolls, which is what has earned her the "reputation" that she has. If you were running a business and people were saying your product is a scam or a dud without any real basis for the claims, would you be nice to them, or would you tell them to take their shit slinging elsewhere?

When you're getting twice (or more) the amount of bud per watt as HID, how can you not see how quickly that would pay off? When you buy a LED panel, that's it, you're set, just pay your electricity bill. When you buy a HID light, not only are you paying for less efficent electric usage, you also have to replace the bulb somewhat regularly.

Sorry to see you won't be getting a LED, I'll still be watching though, I've got a pack of FLT C99 as well and everything I've seen so far looks pretty good.

Good luck with your grow!

GrnMtnGrwr said:

Posts like these are the reason HGL gets such a bad rep around here.

I've only seen two comparisons that are worth much, and that would be the one linked in my sig by Frozenguy, and the one that blazeoneup is still in the process of. LEDGirl has demonstrated exemplary customer service, and has zero patience for trolls, which is what has earned her the "reputation" that she has. If you were running a business and people were saying your product is a scam or a dud without any real basis for the claims, would you be nice to them, or would you tell them to take their shit slinging elsewhere?

When you're getting twice (or more) the amount of bud per watt as HID, how can you not see how quickly that would pay off? When you buy a LED panel, that's it, you're set, just pay your electricity bill. When you buy a HID light, not only are you paying for less efficent electric usage, you also have to replace the bulb somewhat regularly.

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First of all, i am in no way a troll, and have done nothing to imply i am. I said something in MY thread about an experience i had with LED Girl (and everything i said was FACT). Because of my experience with her, all my plans have changed, so i was stating why they changed. If i was running a business i would make sure all information i give out is accurate and be 100% sure it was before i said it. & if i was selling a product i would be so confident in it that i wouldn't have to manipulate the information i give out to make my product appear better than it is. You are not guaranteed to get twice as much with an LED vs. an HID. && that is fact. Btw, i do have a basis for what i said, i talked to people who have LEDs.

I see the controversy about wattage. I see why a person like LED Girl would say there lights use less watts because of AC's and air-cooled reflectors and so on but this is not always true. We have 4 lights and another 6 lights in another spot,& they aren't all air cooled and 4 lights don't even have an AC. So we are barely using any extra wattage ( 10% we use for the lumatek ballast). And we are still getting around a gram a watt including the AC's watts. A lot of people who i have talked to who have grown with LEDs didn't even get a gram per watt! LEDGirl makes it seem like everyone is going to get more than a gpw easily, when this is obviously not true. LED Girl tried to tell me about meanbean saying he got 1.4 gpw, he moved a light between 2 set-ups in between day and night cycles. He really got .7 gpw. it's fucking math. LED Girl knows that. && plenty of people have had problems with her for a REASON. The only thing LEDs are good for that i've heard, are VEG and if you have a closet micro grow. LED's are comparable to HID's. It's just as hard to get a gram per watt with LEDs as HID's Point is, LED Girl is obviously trying to make people think otherwise so she can make money.
i would just like to say that i don't appreciate you coming in my thread and calling me a troll, when what you are saying doesn't have an ounce of sense to it! I have my thread for anyone who can learn something from it and so i can refer back to it in the future. The only troll here is YOU!,, and i don't deal with drama queens, so until you find some common sense, you can step the fuck out.


Now...

Edit: You've responded before I had time to complete my edit. I broke down my reply so that it would be a little more clear. Please see the following post. I think it answers a lot of questions in the post following this one.

I'll start by saying, instigating. now your going into your little technicalities. You know what you were doing. don't play dumb.

You are still not using your common sense or your eyes. Selective eyes huh? TRY TO FOCUS-> SHE LIED TO ME AND TOLD ME SELECTIVE INFORMATION THAT DID NOT SHOW ALL SIDES TO PROMOTE HER PRODUCT. THAT IS WRONG. and you weren't 'just talking about lights'. do you think i'm an idiot? the whole reason you posted in my thread was to try to call me out on what i said about LED Girl. && again,, (concentrate!) what i said was the truth. it was what happened. Yes i know business usually works like LED Girl, shady. But when it comes to cannabis, i'm always honest and fair about my sacks and the info i put out there because it effects other growers who read it. I would like to make a positive effect in the growing comunity, and an honest one.

GrnMtnGrwr said:

How can you say it's just as hard to get a gpw from LED as it is from HID, when there is a completely documented side by side, same EVERYTHING except for light, and the LED yielded 152% more per watt. His actual yield matters little, it's the fact that given the same conditions, LED is that much more efficient. I don't know about you, but electricity is expensive where I live, and the #1 cost in my grow.

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Are you ok? That is one grow. One. For every one grow that i've seen with results with those i've seen a lot more with much lower numbers w the LED. common sense..

GrnMtnGrwr said:

You may have started this thread, but you don't get to say who posts here and who doesn't.

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Wow, now i see what all the hype is about trolls. This is my first experience with this bs. This thread is for learning. Not for you to come and imply my post is part of the reason why LED Girl has a bad rep, when YOU DIDN"T SEE OUR CONVERSATIONS. YOU WEREN"T THERE.

GrnMtnGrwr said:

Yes, there are lots of LED grows that have yielded less than 1gpw, but you know what? There is just as high a percentage of <1gpw HID grows too.

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EXACTLY!! BECAUSE THEY ARE COMPARABLE. You just made my point for me, if you don't get it now there is nothing more i can say, go talk to Dr. Phil.

NOTICE: THIS POST IS IN REPLY TO POST #32

Snypette said:

First of all, i am in no way a troll, and have done nothing to imply i am. I said something in MY thread about an experience i had with LED Girl (and everything i said was FACT).

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Well, I'm glad you cleared that up, because I never called you a troll, and I never thought you were one. You may have made this thread, but that doesn't mean I can't disagree with you. Everything in that post was fact?

There is no need to test them, because in my opinion, i know they're a scam......Obviously LED girl is being a shady lady, trying to capitalize off IC and sell her lights.

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Opinion...scam...shady... facts?

Of course she's trying to capitalize off IC, she made an advertsing investment, and she's got a product to sell.

Snypette said:

If i was running a business i would make sure all information i give out is accurate and be 100% sure it was before i said it.

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Well, that's how you'd run a business. Do you think everyone does it like that? I don't think that's how capitalism works.

Snypette said:

& if i was selling a product i would be so confident in it that i wouldn't have to manipulate the information i give out to make my product appear better than it is.

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I would say she was extremely confident in her product. She sent out $10k+ in equipment for FREE. That doesn't sound like a scam to me.

Snypette said:

You are not guaranteed to get twice as much with an LED vs. an HID. && that is fact.

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I didn't make that guarantee, and I doubt LEDGirl did either. I referenced the only completed LED vs HID I've seen, which resulted in the LED yielding 125% more per watt than the HID.

Snypette said:

I see the controversy about wattage. I see why a person like LED Girl would say there lights use less watts because of AC's and air-cooled reflectors and so on but this is not always true. We have 4 lights and another 6 lights in another spot,& they aren't all air cooled and 4 lights don't even have an AC. So we are barely using any extra wattage ( 10% we use for the lumatek ballast). And we are still getting around a gram a watt including the AC's watts.

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I've heard the argument for LEDs about having less AC/ventilation costs, but I know that doesn't apply to every situation. I give you credit, the vast majority of growers inflate their gpw by only using the wattage of the light, and not including all the wattage for HVAC.

Snypette said:

A lot of people who i have talked to who have grown with LEDs didn't even get a gram per watt!

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So? You could say the exact same thing about HIDs. Someone yielding 0.3g per watt could triple their yield... and still not be getting 1gpw. Gpw is a good figure, but only if used correctly.

Snypette said:

LEDGirl makes it seem like everyone is going to get more than a gpw easily, when this is obviously not true.

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I never got that impression, the only yield claim I ever saw was that it was much more efficient than HID... which has been proven over and over again.

Snypette said:

LED Girl tried to tell me about meanbean saying he got 1.4 gpw, he moved a light between 2 set-ups in between day and night cycles. He really got .7 gpw. it's fucking math. LED Girl knows that.

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Who cares? Let the product speak for itself, ignore the marketing talk.

Snypette said:

The only thing LEDs are good for that i've heard, are VEG and if you have a closet micro grow. LED's are comparable to HID's. It's just as hard to get a gram per watt with LEDs as HID's Point is, LED Girl is obviously trying to make people think otherwise so she can make money.

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None of what you said there is true. In a side by side, with a single variable changed, LED yielded 125% more than HID. How can you say that they're the same, and it's just as hard to get a gram per watt? You're just ignoring facts.

Snypette said:

i would just like to say that i don't appreciate you coming in my thread and calling me a troll, when what you are saying doesn't have an ounce of sense to it!

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I would just like to say that I don't appreciate being insulted half a dozen different ways. What did I say that didn't have an ounce of sense? Please point it out to me, because I'm not seeing it.

Snypette said:

I have my thread for anyone who can learn something from it and so i can refer back to it in the future.

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I'm going to be sticking around, like I said, I've got a pack of FLT C99 and I'm looking forward to seeing another pack grown out.

Snypette said:

The only troll here is YOU!,, and i don't deal with drama queens, so until you find some common sense, you can step the fuck out.

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As far as I can tell, this is the first time anyone has called anyone else a troll in this thread.

You may have started this thread, but you don't own it. I'm here for civil discussion, not name calling and insults.

Snypette said:

the whole reason you posted in my thread was to try to call me out on what i said about LED Girl

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That was not at all the reason I posted in this thread. I am interested in FLT C99, and I am interested in LED. Obviously, I would be attracted to a thread with a title such as this one.

Snypette said:

Are you ok? That is one grow. One. For every one grow that i've seen with results with those i've seen a lot more with much lower numbers w the LED. common sense..

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One properly done side by side test is worth more than a million tests with nothing to compare the results to.

I have the right to a damn opinion about someone who lied to me. You keep saying the same things. so i'll just re-post my post. I don't want to listen to your bs anymore, so take it somewhere else.
You already stated my point for me, so there's nothing more i can say. You think the way you think. You just keep going on and on..Have a nice life & Don't create drama in my thread. kthxBYE


I'll start by saying, instigating. now your going into your little technicalities. You know what you were doing. don't play dumb.

You are still not using your common sense or your eyes. Selective eyes huh? TRY TO FOCUS-> SHE LIED TO ME AND TOLD ME SELECTIVE INFORMATION THAT DID NOT SHOW ALL SIDES TO PROMOTE HER PRODUCT. THAT IS WRONG. and you weren't 'just talking about lights'. do you think i'm an idiot? the whole reason you posted in my thread was to try to call me out on what i said about LED Girl. && again,, (concentrate!) what i said was the truth. it was what happened. Yes i know business usually works like LED Girl, shady. But when it comes to cannabis, i'm always honest and fair about my sacks and the info i put out there because it effects other growers who read it. I would like to make a positive effect in the growing comunity, and an honest one.

GrnMtnGrwr said:

How can you say it's just as hard to get a gpw from LED as it is from HID, when there is a completely documented side by side, same EVERYTHING except for light, and the LED yielded 152% more per watt. His actual yield matters little, it's the fact that given the same conditions, LED is that much more efficient. I don't know about you, but electricity is expensive where I live, and the #1 cost in my grow.

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Are you ok? That is one grow. One. For every one grow that i've seen with results with those i've seen a lot more with much lower numbers w the LED. common sense..

GrnMtnGrwr said:

You may have started this thread, but you don't get to say who posts here and who doesn't.

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Wow, now i see what all the hype is about trolls. This is my first experience with this bs. This thread is for learning. Not for you to come and imply my post is part of the reason why LED Girl has a bad rep, when YOU DIDN"T SEE OUR CONVERSATIONS. YOU WEREN"T THERE.

GrnMtnGrwr said:

Yes, there are lots of LED grows that have yielded less than 1gpw, but you know what? There is just as high a percentage of <1gpw HID grows too.

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EXACTLY!! BECAUSE THEY ARE COMPARABLE. You just made my point for me, if you don't get it now there is nothing more i can say, go talk to Dr. Phil.

Snypette said:

This thread is for learning. Not for you to come and imply my post is part of the reason why LED Girl has a bad rep, when YOU DIDN"T SEE OUR CONVERSATIONS. YOU WEREN"T THERE.

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Ok? I didn't say a single thing about your conversations. I said posts like these, and I was referring to your lack of knowledge about LEDs, not your interactions with LEDGirl. Saying they're equal to HIDs in regards to efficiency isn't questionable, it's flat out wrong.

Snypette said:

EXACTLY!! BECAUSE THEY ARE COMPARABLE. You just made my point for me, if you don't get it now there is nothing more i can say, go talk to Dr. Phil.

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I wish you could understand this. You just don't seem to be grasping it. You have to think in relative terms. If Grower A gets 0.4gpw with HID, changes to LED, and gets 0.8gpw, that is a huge improvement. Sure, it might not hit your arbitrary 1gpw mark, but he doubled his efficiency.

Please, instead of having an actual conversation, just repost your replies and avoid all forms of reasoning and logic. You should notify a mod to have your thread cleaned up, I'd delete my posts as this is obviously a lost cause, but members are no longer allowed that privilege.

ELOL!
This is just too funny! GRN, I have no idea what point you are trying to make. Plenty of people on the site have been rubbed the wrong way by LED girl. If you don't believe me then you need to do a little more research. If you had the conversations that Snypette and some other people have had then you might understand but you don't. No one is talking about what you can or cannot get with specific lights. It's all about the averages between many growers. Not just 2 growers that you pointed out. We all know that there have been cases of growers getting 4 pounds off of 1000 HPS and cases of growers getting a quarter pound off of 1000 HPS but we aren't looking at the extremes like you are. When LED Girl puts herself out to the masses saying that most growers get a gram per watt with LED's on their first or second grows it upsets people like us cause it is not true at least for the majority of people. She also stated that growers who have a little more experience get over 2 grams per watt with LED. She also stated that with her 126 watt LED will give you the same yield as a 400 HPS and that is complete bullshit and you know that and if you don't then you need professional help. There's really no need for you to come up in Snypettes castle and state multiple trollerific posts just cause you want to argue cause your life sucks. We're really sorry that you have a 400 watt cabinate grow but go take out your frustrations with people who give a shit.

EDIT: The thread that you are referring to about Frozenguy's 126w LED vs 250w HID, he only used 2 plants per light. That is not a test at all that will give accurate results. You need to test out many more numbers than that and on a bigger scale with more lights for a test to be accurate. If you don't understand that then you need to go back to science class. And to use only parts of Snypettes sentences for your agenda is similar to what politicians do.

I am 100% aware that plenty of people have been rubbed the wrong way. I don't really care about that, I just hate seeing completely untrue statements being spread about LEDs, which is what I saw, multiple times.

I split the post up into sentences so I could reply to one thing at a time, as it sort of jumped around. I left out a few things that I wasn't replying to, but I didn't change the context of anything.

I am not speaking about LEDGirl's claims vs actual results. I am talking about HID vs LED. As far as efficiency goes, I can't understand how there is still debate.

I reference those two growers because those are the only two that I've seen that are doing actual comparison tests, with the only difference being the light. Since you're talking to me about science, shouldn't you know the proper way to test X against Y? You're dismissing Frozenguy's results because they disagree with your preconceived notions of LED performance. You can't fault him because he grows differently than you, you just have to be able to look at the results. X vs Y, it's pretty simple. I feel like I've repeated myself... is anyone even reading my replies?

I'm not sure why you're apologizing about the size of my grow, I'm perfectly happy with it and have no frustrations whatsoever. Has this become a pissing contest? I'm well aware of the scale of your grows and your experience, and I have a lot of respect for you, but what's with the insults? For not giving a shit that's a big, defensive reply.