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Old 09-09-2006, 01:10 AM #41
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I run a perpetual with about 8 different strains in a 2x2 (kinda crowded) and never seem to have a problem satisifying the needs of all the plants, which are spaced about a week apart. However, I do move the plants that are 14 days from harvest to a different "table" which is farther away from the light. Otherwise I target plants with foliar feeding.
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Old 09-17-2006, 05:29 PM #42
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Q's on the Canna Coco

I've been trying to find some answwers to a few of my coco-related questions, but sadly it's been too poor results for me to decide whether I should go nuts or stay safely to the peat/perlite based soil mixes.

I have used coco for peat on some occasions, but went back to peat because of the economy, safety and availability.
-A few of these factors have changed recently and I'd like a "cleaner" approach to the sweet natural taste I've had so far...


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I've noticed the nute schedule at Canna's website indicate how many ml/10L of water. This almost the same as the other fertilizing plans I've seen on Biocanna and Terra series. But this two-part formula is new to me and I read two values for the coco nutes.
-Is this the maximum dosage for A and B?


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I see alot of different opinions on the subject of flushing the coco between feedings and according to percentage of solution run-off.
-In an automated run-to-waste drip system; would only 1 water-flush a week suffice? (This would be very convenient as I have to refill the res. at such intervals. I would maybe need to reduce the nutrition value of my feeding water since this seemed to work with hand-watered organics on peat-based soil(less)-mix blended with perlite.)


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Is there any organic nutes for a coco-grow fed by such a drip-system that is rinsed with water only once weekly, and runs to waste. I don't wanna leach much more than 5-10% at each feeding, but could easily run a nice 50-100% flush with weak nutes or plain water once a week (or every other week). That's when I have to change the resorvoir anyway.


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Canna say there coir is buffered and trichoderma inocculated but COGR-slabs are not. Then I see some buffering agents and this woman at a sales point say I shoyld use substra-series on the COGR-slabs....
I get soooo confused.

-Do I NEED CalMag for Cannas coco-coir?

-Have anyone used the COGR yet, and is it just to buffer it with this CalMag you guys talk about?

-One website for horticulture claimed to be BioBizz-experts and said that even though BioBizz carried their own coco-medium they preferred Cannas coir. They also claimed that BioBizz-nutes were fully compaible with plain coco-coir, but I think they talked about tomatoes and peppers...
-Is BioBizz programme really enough to grow cannabis on coco-coir?


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Reusing Canna coco seem to be almost problem-free from the info on their website. Then again I read in here that the coir releases P+K during latter flowering stages...
-So how come recycling the slabs don't cause build-up's, lockouts or at least imbalance between nutrient elements?


Thank You very much if you're still reading my seemingly endless array of questions regarding coco growing. I realize that there are a lot of information at the internet, but it's exactly like this
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Old 09-17-2006, 06:14 PM #43
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We recently started using coco and have questions..


. We mix 1 part earthworm castings, to 3 parts coco(Botanicare) 30-40 % perlite, kelp, marine cusine and some garden lime. Hand watering, all didfferent strains at different times of flowering , and some are still in veg.


Should I be mixing all this into the coco or should I leave it as it is(coco and perlite) and add nutrient teas as needed?? I have bat guanos (one for veg and one for flower) for teas..

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Old 09-18-2006, 04:27 AM #44
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answers.. i hope

kenny lingus -

1 - the questions is a bit messy - what values are u talking about? with canna coco the max amount of a+b (meaning u use same amount of both botlles) is 40 ml /10 L - but in most ocasions is enough with much less. just feel ur way thru the first harvest and u get tha hang of it - start low and go up all the time untill end of flowering then stop

2 - for flushing the coco u can water in excess every time u water so u get run-off - or flush it properly every once in a while - but i STRONLGY recomend to get 25% run off every time u water. that way no problems should occur ever because of buildup etc.

3 - canna coco nutes are not organic, but they are made out of certain plants extrected on all their goodies. its in the base a natural raw material refined into canna coco. other than that atleast there isnt any good organic alternatives in europe - experiement!

4 - 5 -6 - try it and tell us

7 - since coco is a renewable source of fiber thats natural and resistant - it can be flushed out to use again. but we use cheap GOOD coco and we dont feel the need of recycling it. afterall theres lots of coco palmtrees out there. but many do with great results. i imagine bug controll is a key to sucess in these cases since the fibres might become a source of infestation of bugs - if it has eggs etc after bug attacks. it would mean allways getting same problemsover and over. just better throw it oout and buy more.


seriously - i have tried cannacoco coir - and i use canna nutes - but i dont think its necesary to use their coco brands. it works great anyway..

as i stated before - soak the coco in distilled water with the nutes u would use for the moment, ph check and then - for clones i soak with very little a+b, for fullgrown plants i put full dose of nutes - maybe 25+25 if its in veg or 30 in flowering.

for people who want to learn to grow in coco this thread has all the info they need.

remeber this is just the way i do it

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Old 09-18-2006, 04:33 AM #45
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cough cough err - i tried similar method as u mention up there - but i got later in flowering problems with buildup.

then trying just to use coco specific nutes i got it sorted out.

coco doesnt have any nutes in it self - really and to get succes make sure those teas are complete with nutes. including ur secondary ones too.

good luck and have lots of fun with ur coco hehe

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pst - mampi - good post mate.
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I created the same thread because I didn't see this one...sorry:

good stuff.I was used to using soil and changed to coco.I had many problems due to overwatering though, using atami compressed coco.The coco itself started rotting.So I found it hard to get accustomed to.

nice info there ! :texas hydro coco info

On this first use I feel like it actually made my plants grow/finish faster than they do with soil, I wonder if I'm right about this.
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its very od if the coco starts rotting - since coco nut fibers are some of the few natural fibers resistant to rot in salt water.

seems atami coco is no good :(

i think also in coco the growth and also the flowering is more explosive than in soil. .
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yes I use the compressed stuff too.Well, I was new to it.I have now found out that growth is better when I keep the medium rather dry.I take it as a mark of inexperience with coco.Hopefully I'll be able to water more, with more nutrients.Atami are amongst the best cocos with canna.
Water actually goes down the containers and kindda get stuck down there , with seemingly very little oxygen.Also I dont wanna use any chemical or mineral food, so I stick to biobizz grow/bloom and algamic for micro nutrients.
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maybe biological nutes can have added to the decompsition?

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Old 09-19-2006, 09:00 PM #50
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clever thinking bonecarver, I hadn't thought of it...
the use of algamic seems to have solved the problem so far though
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