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Cinderella 99 The Come Back
- Thread starter LostTribe
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Sorry but what is FDM? And is that where you think I would have the best luck finding a winner? I ran the Joey F2s a long time ago and they were nice but if there is a better option I’d like to keep a nice one in the garden as well. Frustrating that even though I’m in a legal state (IL) that solid clones/seeds are not on the table yet.
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Mr D
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Happy Times
Well-known member
LT
Ever run the KOS C99? You might have mentioned earlier but I couldn’t remember
Ever run the KOS C99? You might have mentioned earlier but I couldn’t remember
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Mr D
Apologies...
Happy Times
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Beaucephus
Active member
Yes cali
Well been waiting 27 days in now and looks like the STS treatments (6 in total) did not result in reversing my keeper. Next up is to make some CS and try that on another cut. I followed the instructions from Douglas.Curtis's thread with a 1:9 ratio very closely. Considering going the CS route on a different cutting.
Maybe its just a sign that I need to hit her with the pollen I collected from her Bro and try to set about backcrossing to the cut over a couple of generations. I still hope to S1 this girl.
I am also hoping to test a few Peak Seeds and a few more from FDM just to see what I might find. If the next test results don't provide something that can unseat this keeper then I am leaning towards ending my search through these lines, but you never know maybe I will find something that will reignite my interest in continuing to search.
There are a lot more genetics I would like to look through so that will definitely be a deciding factor.
Soul or Sly's cubing process never spoke of anything but selecting one male per generation so and I doubt they ran out that many seeds in those searches so backcrossing might be a bit easier than I had anticipated but obviously will still take quite a bit of time non the less.
Maybe its just a sign that I need to hit her with the pollen I collected from her Bro and try to set about backcrossing to the cut over a couple of generations. I still hope to S1 this girl.
I am also hoping to test a few Peak Seeds and a few more from FDM just to see what I might find. If the next test results don't provide something that can unseat this keeper then I am leaning towards ending my search through these lines, but you never know maybe I will find something that will reignite my interest in continuing to search.
There are a lot more genetics I would like to look through so that will definitely be a deciding factor.
Soul or Sly's cubing process never spoke of anything but selecting one male per generation so and I doubt they ran out that many seeds in those searches so backcrossing might be a bit easier than I had anticipated but obviously will still take quite a bit of time non the less.
M
Mr D
In about 5 weeks I'll be harvesting Genius x (Genius x Panama) seeds. Following Soul's formula that puts me at Genius .75. So I should be at Genius .88 by early mid summer and Genius .99 by the end of the year.
I grew out 10 Genius x Panama seeds in search of male. Growth and structure was very uniform so I simply selected the fast flowering male. In this first cross my goal was to beef up Genius's floppy stems, mission accomplished. I'll do the same thing with the Genius .75 seeds if they produce the same uniform growth and beefier stems I saw with the Genius .50 progeny.
Took a couple tokes of the my favorite FDM C99 the other night. One of the better strains I have in stock and I have a crapload. Top 5 easy. This strain is deceptive though.
Overdue it a little and get into a somewhat trying situation. Not an easy high at what is a higher dose for me. At 2 tokes it is carefree and pleasantly detached from the world. 4 and beyond it gets intense real fast. 6 is nuts, at least being a light and sporadic toker like me.
Easy to overdue it cause the smoke is sweet and smooth as silk. High creeps too.
Overdue it a little and get into a somewhat trying situation. Not an easy high at what is a higher dose for me. At 2 tokes it is carefree and pleasantly detached from the world. 4 and beyond it gets intense real fast. 6 is nuts, at least being a light and sporadic toker like me.
Easy to overdue it cause the smoke is sweet and smooth as silk. High creeps too.
Crazy Chester
Well-known member
This is exciting!
This is exciting!
This is such a cool project. Something extraordinary is likely to come from this! It sounds like the Cannabis Gods are smiling down on you with this one, Mr. D.
This is exciting!
This is such a cool project. Something extraordinary is likely to come from this! It sounds like the Cannabis Gods are smiling down on you with this one, Mr. D.
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Mr D
This is such a cool project. Something extraordinary is likely to come from this! It sounds like the Cannabis Gods are smiling down on you with this one, Mr. D.
Thanks brother
Before any seedbank started sell Bros. Grimm gear you could buy from them direct and Cinderella 88 was on the menu. I remember a few growers growing it when I first came online 1998.
Once I harvest the genius 88 seeds you all are welcome to them. I have no intention to sell them or the Genius 99 seeds when I get their. Just a fun little project I'll gladly share with whoever wants them.
jjonahjameson
Active member
This is such a cool project. Something extraordinary is likely to come from this! It sounds like the Cannabis Gods are smiling down on you with this one, Mr. D.
I second this. Very exciting potential here. Best of luck, my friend
I loved the Genius x Panama. Great smoke. I'm looking forward to watching your results.
Crazy Chester
Well-known member
Yet more evidence you got something very closely resembling the BG original release, it being famous for not growing male flowers, no matter how much it's stressed.
Seems like it should work similarly to STS - maybe it's the secret sauce that finally gets C99 to go hermie.
I hope you do too - that would be a huge accomplishment. I don't remember anyone having made C99 S1s back in the day.
If the reversal processes doesn't work, I definitely think you can replicate your clone in seed form using the cubing process you've outlined. You are going to accomplish with C99 what I think Mr. D is going to accomplish with Genius - virtual replicas of the original clone in seed form.
I want to post this as I have been thinking about it a great deal as it is similar to what I found from Mendel.
"On the subject of hybrids and stabilising lines, I'd like to say a few words. From the perspective of an experienced and critical smoker, the blending of types can only be done genetically. What I mean to say is that mixing pure Haze weed and pure NL together and smoking it, will not give you the same effect as the hybrid would. The hybrid is better! Inbreeding the hybrid and making F2s and so on will not give you a product that is the equal of the original F1. You may get a different version that is very good, but it won't have that perfect blend of the F1. Subtleties that come from the exact 50-50 blend of the F1 get lost under a layer of more dominant traits that are expressed more and more as you continue to inbreed brothers to sisters.
It's not that I'm against this tek to create an IBL. I know it to be effective, it's just that if you have a F1 hybrid that excels be cause it's a blend of polar opposites, you won't hold on to that by inbreeding to siblings. This method of creating IBLs is more suited to hybrids that are put together because of their similarity of type.
N."
-Nevil, Breeding Techniques
It reminds me of Mendel saying how each successive backcrossed generation of a recessive trait will keep showing up no matter what you do. That means that even if you back cross the initially outcrossed male may give rise to a plant which provides you with something different from the mom.
I am tending to agree with Mendel that backcrossing can be beneficial for bringing out specific traits but it just doesn't seem to be the correct way to go about a breeding regimen.
LT
"On the subject of hybrids and stabilising lines, I'd like to say a few words. From the perspective of an experienced and critical smoker, the blending of types can only be done genetically. What I mean to say is that mixing pure Haze weed and pure NL together and smoking it, will not give you the same effect as the hybrid would. The hybrid is better! Inbreeding the hybrid and making F2s and so on will not give you a product that is the equal of the original F1. You may get a different version that is very good, but it won't have that perfect blend of the F1. Subtleties that come from the exact 50-50 blend of the F1 get lost under a layer of more dominant traits that are expressed more and more as you continue to inbreed brothers to sisters.
It's not that I'm against this tek to create an IBL. I know it to be effective, it's just that if you have a F1 hybrid that excels be cause it's a blend of polar opposites, you won't hold on to that by inbreeding to siblings. This method of creating IBLs is more suited to hybrids that are put together because of their similarity of type.
N."
-Nevil, Breeding Techniques
It reminds me of Mendel saying how each successive backcrossed generation of a recessive trait will keep showing up no matter what you do. That means that even if you back cross the initially outcrossed male may give rise to a plant which provides you with something different from the mom.
I am tending to agree with Mendel that backcrossing can be beneficial for bringing out specific traits but it just doesn't seem to be the correct way to go about a breeding regimen.
LT
Crazy Chester
Well-known member
So, you add more mom by breeding that male with her, a la "cubing", right?
And if the selected mom is also recessive while the male dominant but not something desirable?
This all goes back to Nevil stating that he was in favor of 1:1 f1 matings. Even an incross of plants from the same line may indeed produce inferior results.
LT
