Immunity - where has it gone?

armedoldhippy · Dec 10, 2020

Gypsy Nirvana said:
- funny - I never got sick in the tropics - maybe it was the earthworm I ate as a hungry and curious child in the west - or just coming from people who lived in the dirt - so had already established a good immune system - was breastfed - so had it in the blood - and the milk?

exposure creates immunities. MUCH of your protection DOES come from breast milk. i highly recommend it myself, lol. if you don't believe me, try to pull a nursing infant off of a nipple some day...

Switcher56 · Dec 10, 2020

Gypsy Nirvana said:
We used to play in fields of good earth when we were kids - as our kin harvested the crops - we would help too - but today in suberbialand it's another world - with parents reticent to let kids be kids and play outside as they once did - no more games of football in the street and everyone and everything has to be sanitized - how did we ever get here?

I betcha that good earth that we knew and grew up in as kids, is no longer "good earth".

How did we get there? Well with all the use of pesticides and fertilizers the earth/dirt is simply polluted!

moses wellfleet said:
Ok so here's the deal this what got me thinking about the topic

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"In Africa one rarely farts with confidence" - Sam Kiley. The guy was a British journalist working in Africa for several years. The food there and the water supply was heavy on his guts, he was constantly shitting his pants!

But now the local people who live there are able to tolerate these conditions without a problem. This wasn't dysentery or cholera making the guy sick, simply everyday ordinary living conditions in that part of the world. The environment he came from in the UK has 'modern' health standards so his body had never been exposed to these tougher living conditions. And I guess you could say the vast majority of the world is just as 'unhygenic'.

Now who is at a disadvantage here, the British guy with the upset stomach or the African people who aren't able to enjoy first world living standards, it is an interesting question?

Obviously sterile conditions are very important for surgery and other medical procedures that have allowed us to survive previously lethal injuries. Imaging a cut becoming infected with gangrene for example.

One has to remember that in 3rd world countries, that is all they had to eat, for the lack of a better word. Over time these folks developed heard immunity so to speak, although some of these malaise s are indeed problematic and "perhaps" lead to death in some cases.

Gypsy Nirvana said:
- funny - I never got sick in the tropics - maybe it was the earthworm I ate as a hungry and curious child in the west - or just coming from people who lived in the dirt - so had already established a good immune system - was breastfed - so had it in the blood - and the milk?

As former sailor, many ports we visited, we were told to avoid drinking their water, to included but not ltd to, ice cubes in our drinks. Montezuma's revenge is a prime example of this in Mexico. The world has known this for a long time.

Canada had a peace keeping mission in Cambodia during the '90s. Our troops were told not to eat off base, ot inherit the ability to shit through the eye of a needle at 50 paces. It was in their water. They cooked with it...

The same applies to survival situations, never drink water (from a questionable source) that hasn't been boiled 1st. Even streams that we think are safe. The last thing you want is to be sick in a survival situation, without medical aid nearby!

flylowgethigh · Dec 10, 2020

Amynamous said:
How is modern medicine stripping us of our immunity?
I believe that our personal actions(diet, exercise, sunshine,etc) affect our immunity.

I agree 110%. Diet is especially important, as I think the food people eat these days is making them more acidic. People didn't used to get cancer at the rate they do now, and it seems everybody has heartburn and takes an anti-acid drug. Mine is baking soda.

When venturing outside the gate at a Korean military base, don't eat any meat off the food carts. I imagine that goes all over.

moses wellfleet · Dec 10, 2020

Switcher56 said:
Canada had a peace keeping mission in Cambodia during the '90s. Our troops were told not to eat off base, ot inherit the ability to shit through the eye of a needle at 50 paces. It was in their water. They cooked with it...

The same applies to survival situations, never drink water (from a questionable source) that hasn't been boiled 1st. Even streams that we think are safe. The last thing you want is to be sick in a survival situation, without medical aid nearby!

Yeah hear ya! At that stage of life it is too late. A western person exposed to massive doses of germs very suddenly can only do themselves harm.

But what about controlled exposure at a young age to acquire immunity, inoculating ourselves against common bugs, instead of avoiding them?

Veggia farmer · Dec 10, 2020

Haha, I celebrated my 20th Birthday in Angkor wat. My father and his new wife took me out to eat something nice. Alright! What do we have? Lets have the lamb.. mmm I like lamb... A little bit red next to the bone, ahh, I do like that taste.... Woke up 3-4 in the morning with a stomach as big as I would give birth to baby, a BIG BABY! oh lord...... Took me a month to get over that SHIT.. Came home after one and half week, straight to the toilet. My mother went:" You were right, your REALLY are bad." She opened all the doors.... I only ate nuddles with pot after that for some time...

My last post went out the window it looks like... But breastmilk is important and vaginal birth too, lot of bacterias get incolated to the gut too the baby from the mother that way.

We also just get 10-15% of the bacterias we used to get, ofc some bad we should not get anyway, but we have lost many of the good ones. It believe some of the more important health "tips/method" is too get some of them, fermented food. I know I have had a bad stomach for a little time now. Drank a half liter of fermented milk yesterday, and today this shit is good shit.

Hippocrates : Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food.

I know I have never been ask by the doc of mye diet. Got a light version of asthma, no one have ever ask me of my diet, but still I can control a lot of the asthma with what I eat. Weird or not?

Be active, eat good and stress down is key I believe. Stress is a huge immunity tax. Cortisol, norephedrine, adrenaline is not good to use to much out of.

Veggia farmer · Dec 10, 2020

Did anyone else read about the hard drug abuse "society" had less covid and less symptomes when they first got it? Some thought it was due to more "dirty" habits so the immune system is more active.

But, some proud folks thought it was the drugs they uses, but hey, at the end of the day what do I know?

TanzanianMagic · Dec 10, 2020

moses wellfleet said:
It is in the interest of modern medicine to strip us of our natural immunity to disease, so they can sell it back to us with each injection, tablet, surgical procedure.

There's no money in natural immunity.

There is no money in composting. There is money in bagged soils.

There is no money in fermenting your own nutrients from water, sugar and plant parts. There is money in selling a bottle of the same, with preservatives, and packaging.

Commodification is what it is all about.

"Competition is a sin." - John D. Rockefeller, oil monopolist.

St. Phatty · Dec 10, 2020

TanzanianMagic said:
There's no money in natural immunity.

There is no money in composting. There is money in bagged soils.

There is no money in fermenting your own nutrients from water, sugar and plant parts. There is money in selling a bottle of the same, with preservatives, and packaging.

Commodification is what it is all about.

"Competition is a sin." - John D. Rockefeller, oil monopolist.

The US is showing their true Shithole nature.

There is no money in Covid19 - if they admit that cheap existing products cure it.

ref. Dr. Pierre Cory or Cory Pierre. ICU guy.

Argentina did a test with about 2000 health care workers.

1000 got Ivermectin. 0 got sick.

1000 got nothing. 58% got sick.

Seems like Americans are waiting for a Telegram from God, before they take responsibility for their fallen nation.

Guess which Mexican state started distributing Ivermectin door to door in July ?

moses wellfleet · Dec 11, 2020

TanzanianMagic said:
There's no money in natural immunity.

There is no money in composting. There is money in bagged soils.

There is no money in fermenting your own nutrients from water, sugar and plant parts. There is money in selling a bottle of the same, with preservatives, and packaging.

Commodification is what it is all about.

"Competition is a sin." - John D. Rockefeller, oil monopolist.

Yes exactly the same concept. You are not going to see advertising banners pushing the benefits of composting waste products, nobody profits from it. That's is why internet forums like this one are so important. You can get info from people who do not have a financial stake in your methods.

stickyunderwear · Dec 11, 2020

moses wellfleet said:
It is in the interest of modern medicine to strip us of our natural immunity to disease, so they can sell it back to us with each injection, tablet, surgical procedure.

Agree to a point but please if you feel that way make sure you and your fam dont get vaccinated for measles, smallpox(still held in captivity), polio, and a host of other communicable diseases that have killed millions when there were only millions on earth. Plus tell your fam or older fam to refuse to take meds for high blood pressure mostly brought on by the easy life now of eating too much and getting overweight if not plain fat and that leads us to diabetes and if your fam has a bad appendix or a simple gall bladder well it sucks to be them.

Im pretty much in the china virus is real but being used for political shit and masks are useless but still am able to grasp what modern medicine does to help out. Unless your in a socialist country where if you have a serious issue you have to wait to die cause your not important. See Canada and the politicians who come to the US for treatment.

stickyunderwear · Dec 11, 2020

moses wellfleet said:
Well immunity is acquired during our early years, by exposure to germs. We are encouraged to bring up our children in sterile environments, I'm referring to western countries now obviously.

Some children living in high rise apartments don't even get to play in soil anymore, where they would encounter germs essential for building immunity. Increasingly this is the norm.

We are sterilizing ourselves out of existence!

I will make the same presumptions as you and figure you have an open sewer ditch running thru the front of your tar paper and cardboard shack in the slum third world country shit hole you live in. Hows that for totally (can I say ignorant or should I just say misinformed) opinion?

troutman · Dec 11, 2020

The chlorine and fluoride in tap water probably ruins your immunity.

moses wellfleet · Dec 11, 2020

stickyunderwear said:
Agree to a point but please if you feel that way make sure you and your fam dont get vaccinated for measles, smallpox(still held in captivity), polio, and a host of other communicable diseases that have killed millions when there were only millions on earth. Plus tell your fam or older fam to refuse to take meds for high blood pressure mostly brought on by the easy life now of eating too much and getting overweight if not plain fat and that leads us to diabetes and if your fam has a bad appendix or a simple gall bladder well it sucks to be them.

Im pretty much in the china virus is real but being used for political shit and masks are useless but still am able to grasp what modern medicine does to help out. Unless your in a socialist country where if you have a serious issue you have to wait to die cause your not important. See Canada and the politicians who come to the US for treatment.

No I have those vacs and am grateful for them. The thread is more aimed at hyper sterile environments and acquired immunity during early stages of life.

Eg. A kid who lives in a high rise building and never touches real dirt has no chance of acquiring natural immunity to basic nasty bugs. Without that natural immunity the kid is much more vulnerable to other nasty shit further down the road.

So I'm saying that this scenario suits modern medicine. That is unfortunately how business works, it's not about health.

stickyunderwear · Dec 11, 2020

moses wellfleet said:
Ok so here's the deal this what got me thinking about the topic

View Image

"In Africa one rarely farts with confidence" - Sam Kiley. The guy was a British journalist working in Africa for several years. The food there and the water supply was heavy on his guts, he was constantly shitting his pants!

But now the local people who live there are able to tolerate these conditions without a problem. This wasn't dysentery or cholera making the guy sick, simply everyday ordinary living conditions in that part of the world. The environment he came from in the UK has 'modern' health standards so his body had never been exposed to these tougher living conditions. And I guess you could say the vast majority of the world is just as 'unhygenic'.

Now who is at a disadvantage here, the British guy with the upset stomach or the African people who aren't able to enjoy first world living standards, it is an interesting question?

Obviously sterile conditions are very important for surgery and other medical procedures that have allowed us to survive previously lethal injuries. Imagine a cut becoming infected with gangrene for example.

And your going to bitch about the US? How many infectious diseases are from the shithole africa? Oh top of the list is AIDS ! Man I get so sick :biglaugh:

of the America haters. Jealousy is a evil mistress.

stickyunderwear · Dec 11, 2020

You have completely gone round the bend due to your hate of the US. Throw away every bottle of peroxide and bandaid you have.

stickyunderwear · Dec 11, 2020

troutman said:
The chlorine and fluoride in tap water probably ruins your immunity.

So how do your teeth look?

stickyunderwear · Dec 11, 2020

To all you wondering where immunity has gone please go to your nearest third world shit hole and search. And make sure you drink the local water from the well next to the outhouse. Pay no attention to the bugs in the water or the smell of the produce. A guy named Sal lat name Manila will be by soon to see you. Oh and for fucks sake dont use that curse of the west called toilet paper while your shitting your brains out on a plastic bucket provided by Home Depot.

Cvh · Dec 11, 2020

stickyunderwear said:
Agree to a point but please if you feel that way make sure you and your fam dont get vaccinated for measles, smallpox(still held in captivity), polio, and a host of other communicable diseases that have killed millions when there were only millions on earth. Plus tell your fam or older fam to refuse to take meds for high blood pressure mostly brought on by the easy life now of eating too much and getting overweight if not plain fat and that leads us to diabetes and if your fam has a bad appendix or a simple gall bladder well it sucks to be them.

Im pretty much in the china virus is real but being used for political shit and masks are useless but still am able to grasp what modern medicine does to help out. Unless your in a socialist country where if you have a serious issue you have to wait to die cause your not important. See Canada and the politicians who come to the US for treatment.

You do know that vaccines work by exposing you to parts of the viruses involved so your immune system can build up defenses to it when the fully intact virus hits you?

It's on par with what Moses.Welfleet is trying to make clear into this thread. He's not saying that you should abandon entirely modern medicine. He's trying to say that modern medicine and big corporate are cashing in on our weakened immune system because we all live to sterile. And that they even actively promotes more sterile living not from a health point of view but from a profit point of view.

For example, the kids in the past who went skinny dipping with the neighborhood girls in the local creeks/ponds when they where young have a much better immune system then todays kids who are pushing the buttons on the controllers of their Xboxes in their rooms. (Dumb kids don't know anymore even what real fun is ...)

troutman · Dec 11, 2020

stickyunderwear said:
So how do your teeth look?

stickyunderwear · Dec 11, 2020

Cvh said:
You do know that vaccines work by exposing you to parts of the viruses involved so your immune system can build up defenses to it when the fully intact virus hits?

It's on par with what Moses.Welfleet is trying to make clear into this thread. He's not saying that you should abandon entirely modern medicine. He's trying to say that modern medicine and big corporate are cashing in on our weakened immune system because we all live to sterile. And that they even actively promotes more sterile living not from a health point of view but from a profit point of view.

For example, the kids in the past who went skinny dipping with the neighborhood girls in the local creeks/ponds when they where young have a much better immune system then todays kids who are beating the controller of their Xboxes in their rooms. (Dumb kids don't know anymore even what real fun is ...)

So are you normally an apologist for living in the western world where kids can grow up with the benifits of modern meds?

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