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Old 05-04-2010, 06:27 AM #11
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Just discovered a new spider mite infestation in my flowering room, think they may have hitched a ride on a local grower... I jumped the gun and ordered 1500 lady bugs, only afterwards realizing that they did indeed sell them in smaller quantities. Oh well, only $6.50, just may have to find a new predator to take out the lady bugs.. maybe some frogs.
Couple off things about lady bugs. Get more then you need as they will kamikaze into the lights. Also if you don't give them a source of water they will dehydrate and die with in a few days. Spraying your plants and even leaving small containers of water around your plants will go a long ways to keep them alive.
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Thanks Bud Bug, that's excellent advice! I think I'll be alright numbers wise with 1500. I think I may even be outnumbering the spider mites. I suppose I'll probably try and keep some of them to prevent another outbreak like this.
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Pyrethrin based products work good. Best application rate would be to spray once every three days three times in a row and then re apply every 5-7 days. The only thing about Pyrethrin is that it can cause the spider mite to lay eggs when its hit with a Pyrethrin spray.
Thanks everyone for all this great info.
Hey Bud Bug...I use neem oil with an organic soap (for sticky) while in veg...this works great but in my flower room I cannot use neem. Can I use this pyrethrin in flower? I do not want burnt leaves so I will not even ask about the bombs. This was all I could find for a reference right now. is this what you are talking about? If so, how far away in my room should I have this? I run 4k hps in flower.
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Old 05-04-2010, 08:52 AM #14
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Urban Garden(er) and Maximum Yield are not even in the same category as Growing Edge. .
Good to know, I'll take em serious and look em up
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Urban Garden(er) and Maximum Yield are not even in the same category as Growing Edge. This is the only magazine that had proper articles instead of infomercials. A lot of the info came from commercial green house solutions properly explained to hobby hydroponic gardeners on how they can use them in their gardens. One of the last few issues had an awesome write up about root rot and the benefits of D.O. in water.
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Just a note about 'Growing Edge' magazine - this publication is out of Corvallis, Oregon by Tom Alexander

Tom was the original editor/publisher of a magazine back in the late 1980's known as 'Sinsimelia Tips' which was published 4 times per year. It made 'High Times' the joke that they continued.

Tom had a store in Corvallis known as 'Full Moon Garden Center' which morphed into 'Full Moon Publishing' that is the name of the publisher for 'Growing Edge' magazine.

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Thanks everyone for all this great info.
Hey Bud Bug...I use neem oil with an organic soap (for sticky) while in veg...this works great but in my flower room I cannot use neem. Can I use this pyrethrin in flower? I do not want burnt leaves so I will not even ask about the bombs. This was all I could find for a reference right now. is this what you are talking about? If so, how far away in my room should I have this? I run 4k hps in flower.
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How far into flower? I have used neem up to 3 weeks in flower...pyrethium bombs in the 4th week even....just set it off at lights out...

I haven't had any noticeable taste or smell in my harvested and cured crop. After the 4th week, other than getting your shop vac and adapting a way to pinpoint (straw or pen) the suction, I know of no way to put anything on the plants that you won't taste/smell...just my .04 cents (inflation & taxes)
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How far into flower? I have used neem up to 3 weeks in flower...pyrethim bombs in the 4th week even....just set it off at lights out...

I haven't had any noticeable taste or smell in my hharvested and cured crop. After the 4th week, other than getting your shop vac and adapting a way to pinpoint (straw or pen), I know of no way to put anything on the plants that you won't taste/smell...just my .04 cents (inflation & taxes)
used neem 5 weeks into flower but would reduce rates, it has a browning effect on fan leaves.
even at 5 weeks no dif on taste or smell, just look, but not of finished product. probally would use Spinosad active ingredient after week 4, less harmful to fan leaves
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I had a spider mite issue a few months ago. I got predatory neematodes and started spraying the plants with neem oil every three days. Also I cleaned my vegt and flowering cab with a mixture of rubbing alcohol and bleach. After a few weeks it cleared up. I still sray my plants once a week at the most as a precautionary measure. I haven't had them come back. When I am composting my old soil mix at the end of a grow, I add a new batch of predatory neematodes in about a week before I use the mix. This seems to have taken care of things.

My mite problem was bad enough that I started seeing those purple webs appearing.
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This company is the shit. If you must use pyrethium, why not grow your own?

https://www.horizonherbs.com/product.asp?specific=1380

Pyrethrum, Painted Daisy (Chrysanthemum coccineum)
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Perennial, flowering in the second year and thereafter. Native to western asia and Iran. Flowers of absolute pink, red and white are excellent for cutting. The buds are dried and ground into insect powder, often used against fleas. The active principles are monoterpenes known as pyrethrins. Plant prefers full sun, much water and regular garden soil. Flowers 2 to 3 feet tall.

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I was wondering how hard it would be to grow neem and it doesn't seem like it would be that difficult. Check it out:

https://www.discoverneem.com/how-to-grow-neem-trees.html

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