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Old 04-16-2018, 01:01 PM #1
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Repuk's First Outdoor Run: ACE's Honduras, Ethiopian and Lebanese

This is going to be my first outdoor, organic grow, zero experience growing outdoors, my latest attempt with some autos I got gifted was a disaster... one died, another ended up the size of a lollipop, and the third yielded about 6 grams...

Learning as much as I can as I'm growing fruit trees and a vegetable garden too.

All and any advice is welcome!

Final Place/Pots
I thought on putting them straight in the dirt, but then thought of the convenience of using big pots: if the need arises to be able to move the plants. Thinking on getting 40L baskets (espuertas)
to use as definitive pots. Should them be bigger?

Soil
The soil clay content is rather high, as I'm really close to a river.
It is really rich soil, full of nutes (this soil has been worked on organically on recent years) I had to deal at weed out time with impressive tall nettles, ground carpeted full of yellow oxalis (clovers) flowers, tons of Zantedeschia aethiopica growing wild too.

I thought on ammending the (ground) soil in the final pots with a high peat content, light soil, 50/50 to ease drainage. Maybe a thin layer of compost as dressing on the top on the final pots?

Fertilization
From what I've read at ACE's descriptions, looks like no additional fertilization will be needed?

Sowing
I guess is the right time to start the (regular) seeds indoors, how should I harden them once I bring them outdoors (thinking that would be by the end of May)? Leaving them at the shadow several days?

Potting/initial medium
I usually repot and use dry/wet cycles in coco.

I thought on starting them in coco (easier for me indoors), then move to soil when bringing them outdoors. Or should I sow in soil from the beggining?

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This is going to be my first outdoor, organic grow, zero experience growing outdoors, my latest attempt with some autos I got gifted was a disaster... one died, another ended up the size of a lollipop, and the third yielded about 6 grams...

Learning as much as I can as I'm growing fruit trees and a vegetable garden too.

All and any advice is welcome!

Final Place/Pots
I thought on putting them straight in the dirt, but then thought of the convenience of using big pots: if the need arises to be able to move the plants. Thinking on getting 40L baskets (espuertas)
to use as definitive pots. Should them be bigger?

Soil
The soil clay content is rather high, as I'm really close to a river.
It is really rich soil, full of nutes (this soil has been worked on organically on recent years) as I had to deal with impressive tall nettles, carpeted full of yellow oxalis (clovers) flowers. Tons of Zantedeschia aethiopica growing wild too.

I thought on ammending the soil in the final pots with a high peat content, light soil, 50/50 to ease drainage. Maybe a thin layer of compost as dressing on the top on the final pots?

Fertilization
From what I've read at ACE's descriptions, looks like no additional fertilization will be needed?

Sowing
I guess is the right time to start the (regular) seeds indoors, how should I harden them once I bring them outdoors (thinking that would be by the end of May)? Leaving them at the shadow several days?

Potting/initial medium
I usually repot and use dry/wet cycles in coco.

I thought on starting them in coco (easier for me indoors), then move to soil when bringing them outdoors. Or should I sow in soil from the beggining?

Congrats on choosing some solid Ace genetics to grow outdoors! I'm definitely tagging along for the show.

Potting
If you're going with pots outdoors I'm of the opinion that bigger is better. These plants are going to get massive and they're going to have a nice large root system that's going to search out and discover every inch of that pot. Is doing a raised bed or large fabric "smart pot" an option for you? Dubi has talked about the potential for Lebanese to auto flower if it doesn't have enough root space so you'll want to keep that in mind. The Honduras and Ethiopian will both produce monsters outdoors.

Soil/Fertilization
I'll let others more experienced with soil comment on the mixture. I don't know much about amending soil, but a good rich soil is excellent for these plants. You should need very little fertilizer throughout the entire grow should your soil provide a sufficient amount of nutrients for them. I don't know about top dressing the soil with compost but perhaps you could mix it in while you're amending what you've got. I'm a coco grower primarily so I would rather just admit I don't have a ton of experience with soil rather than give potentially poor advice.

Sowing
Hardening off your plants is pretty easy. You could either offer them limited exposure (put them out for a few hours, bring them in), or put them outside on a patio or somewhere where they will not be getting strong direct sunlight for the entire day. I usually like to leave my outdoor plants under my covered patio where they can get indirect sunlight for most of the day then I move them under direct sunlight for a few hours at a time and gradually increase the amount of direct sunlight they're receiving.

Potting/Medium
As far as transplanting goes I would imagine it would be less stressful to go from soil into soil. With coco (as you're aware) you're looking at adjustments of PH, different water requirements, etc. I haven't tried transplanting from coco into soil but I imagine it could potentially cause stress. If you have the ability to start in soil then move them into soil I'd say that's going to be your best bet.

Best of luck this season!
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for all the advice Kaskadian!

Pots
Gonna rethink pot size, you're right. Will aim for minimum 122L (30gal) Smart Pots then. Yes thought on raised beds, but that wouldn't be practical to move. May use that though for peppers.

Hardening
Note taken!

Initial Potting
Yes, I've done that in the past on my last grow, and definitely the plant didn't like it at all.

Maybe sowing them straight into the peat based light feed soil will be the best option? Washing it maybe to be sure of not being to hot for seedlings?
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for all the advice Kaskadian!

Pots
Gonna rethink pot size, you're right. Will aim for minimum 122L (30gal) Smart Pots then. Yes thought on raised beds, but that wouldn't be practical to move. May use that though for peppers.

Hardening
Note taken!

Initial Potting
Yes, I've done that in the past on my last grow, and definitely the plant didn't like it at all.

Maybe sowing them straight into the peat based light feed soil will be the best option? Washing it maybe to be sure of not being to hot for seedlings?
Happy to help my friend! You'll do great and I'm definitely looking forward to seeing these gals under some beautiful Spanish sun. I'm definitely jealous of your local climate. I love where I'm at but I'd trade it in for Spain in a second.

I don't think you need to be overly concerned with the soil being to hot unless you're putting it into something like super soil. A lot of folks around here start their seedlings directly into something like Fox Farm Ocean Forest/Happy Frog which is a relatively nutrient rich soil. I was starting a landrace grow late last year that unfortunately ended per-maturely because of a family problem but I started Green Haze, Purple Haze x Honduras, and Mangobiche all in the Fox Farm Happy Frog without any issues. A similar soil should sustain the plants for quite a long time until they get transplanted again. If you use a nutrient rich soil similar to those mentioned above they'll be fine with nothing but water for quite some time.

I took the long road to answering your question... sorry! I think a light peat based soil would be absolutely okay as well. When I wasn't growing in coco I used to often use a mix of 40% ProMix, 40% Perlite, and 20% Earthworm Castings (1-0-0).

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Old 04-16-2018, 04:43 PM #5
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I really enjoy reading your advice, feel free to elaborate all that you want

Ok, then I think this soil will be fine. I planted four avocado trees last year (which need tons of drainage) directly on the ground, I had enough of this soil for one of them to amend its spot, had to use other soils for the rest.

Fast forward one year, this (young) avocado is leaning off due to flower weight, and have all its leaves new ones sprouting all over... whereas the others didn't like the other soils that much (burnt leaf, lost all leaves, etc) and are "recovering" now.

If it was that good for the avocado, I'm sure it will be for the seedlings

My idea to acclimate the plants is to start mixing in ground soil with the peat based one at higher proportions each time I repot, does that make sense?
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Kaskadian, nice detailed answer.

Repuk, I also use the 30 gallon sized pots/ grow bags.
I still have cloudy weather in May. I seed straight into main grow bags with a keg cup sized holes filled with starter mix packed in. My soil here is rock hard clay. I buy soil and add worm castings. The Ace genetics will do the rest. I'm also running Lebanese this season. I look forward to seeing your grow.
I've never had a problem with the Ace genetics getting to much sun. They will thrive.
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Thanks for passing by Farmerlion!

The size reference I got from your Greenhouse posts

They'd better be prepared for Spain sun... they're gonna thrive!

I'm sure we will reach 45C/113F at shadows already in May... rest of summer 50C/122C at the sun is not rare at all at midday, I'm on one of the hottest Spain inland areas (South)... thought on a greenhouse but I'm afraid it won't work with these temps?
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I don't have to deal with that much heat. We rarely see 100f. Only a couple days a summer at best. Dubi would be the one for the best scenario on young plants outside.
Have a great week and happy growing. Peace
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Oye, repuk, growing toms is similar to growing cannabis...you're good so far... however there's this pot thing that baffles me, I mean you logically plan 40 lt ones, transportable alright, then you aim for 122 lt, transportable? quite a load to haul about...

Have a nice ride, amigo!

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Hi.
Nice strains for your out.
For the begining, i prefer to use seed potting soil.
When the plant is about fifteen centimeters, you can transplant it in its final pot.
For the pot you could use large bin with handle (around 100 liters).
If you want to move it, it's possible with two guys.
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