The growing large plants, outdoors, thread...

[Yes4Prop215]

I'm curious what you guys are doing that just serving your trimmers eats up all your day. It just takes a few minutes to serve them a few grocery bags and about 45 min at the end of the night for tally at the summer camp

mostly just movement of herb, from the deleaf stations to the drying area, from drying area to bins, sorting through bins, strain by strain, A vs B grades, from bins to trimmers. trimmers get a turkey bag and trim it up and we tally it all at the end that part doesn't take long. but after their numbers are counted all the herb gets mixed back together and then broken into 1lb units turkey bagged for final cure, either in bins or turkey bags. and because most customers these days dont take their herb in turkey bags anymore, it all needs to be transferred again to vacseal bags for the final trip off the mountain. id put them straight to vacseal bags but thats not an ideal way to cure, so they gotta stay in bins/turkeys until final stage when they have a buyer. plus every day gotta go burp the bins/bags to make sure they cure right...not to mention processing all the shake and trim which is piling up by the rubbermaid and my damn reclaim tanks dont get here until next week so i can't use my new CLS system..

then its errands in town, usually involves walmart/homedepot/hyrostore/grocerystore on any given day...gotta pay bills, get supplies/groceries, they seem to need alcohol, paper towels, and mixed greens every day. on top of laundry which is a hassle in itself when you got 12 people working. running around taking care of clients, business relationships, etc…

and then theres that pesky 40kw warehouse that i have to go work after all the daily work at the outdoor farm, which I'm pretty much the only one working right now since everybody else is still on OD takedown.

it dont stop….never does. back to work!

 

[milkyjoe]

Well following and contributing in this thread for years I didn't see much progress of 4-4,5Kg per plant.
Hence that, I don't see needs for more of 1m3 /200gallons per plant.

Do you add additional nutes during the grow? My thinking is big enough soil may allow no bottled nutes...whether or not you see that as important is an individual choice imo

 

[Backyard Farmer]

Damn prop , you sure love to move your nugs around a lot !!

 

[OldRod]

Do you add additional nutes during the grow? My thinking is big enough soil may allow no bottled nutes...whether or not you see that as important is an individual choice imo

Yes I do. Bro however and no matter what our choice is , by this thread looks like to "limit" is 5Kg per plant.

I prefer 4-6m2 per plant what is more less 3Kg per plant.
Imo thats best ratio per m2 ... I calculate like this cause I'm still guerilla grower.

 

[Shcrews]

Well following and contributing in this thread for years I didn't see much progress of 4-4,5Kg per plant.
Hence that, I don't see needs for more of 1m3 /200gallons per plant.

can you grow a healthy 12 lb plant in a 200gal pot with feeding only plain water 3-4x per week?

if so i would love to see it.

4-6 yards per plant is where it's at, at least if you are limited only by plant count.

 

[theJointedOne]

4-6 yards per plant is where it's at, at least if you are limited only by plant count.

i have to disagree, with all due respect of course.

If i am limited to 99 plants. Id like them to be in 300 gallon containers, at most. Thats just 1.5 yards of soil. I should be able to coax 7-8 pounds out of a single, double or triple planted 300 with the right genetic and sun. That works out to around 37 gallons of soil per pound. With 6 yards that is 1200 gallons. Even if you hit 15 pounds per container (no one on icmag is, at least no one that shares real info/pics/hard data ect), that's 80 gallons of soil per pound.

all imho

 

[Bulldog420]

IMO, with all due respect, is bigger pots create higher quality herb. Your math is correct as far as I see it TJO, but the one thing not taken into account is how many times has that plant in 150 gallons been stressed due to shortage of water or nutes, or too much nutes, ph swings ext. When you have 400 gallons of soil, you are half as likely to have those problems than growing in 150 or 200 gallons. If I were growing 99 plants, I would want 400 gallons in each pot to limit the stress of the crop, and limit the amount of nutrients needed to finish the plant off. Million ways to skin a cat I guess.

 

[epicorchard]

Humble opinions? hmmm, Thought we talked from soap boxes in this forum? lol

seems to me that its better to work backwards; starting with how much daily water you can reliably access. More soil seems to grow bigger plants if and only if you have the thousands of gallons a day it requires to grow a large healthy garden.

If anyones interested I ran BD in a 200 gallon smarty thats getting processed seperately and I also ran a few in 1,000 gal of soil. I should have yield and quality pics and info in a couple days. Its looking like the smarty threw down 8 super tight trimmed LBs with no buds smaller than a penny.

 

[goldcountryguy2]

considering soil is reusable and if your not a bonehead it gets better with time....I think starting with at least 5 yards per plant is where I want to be...happy harvest.

 

[theJointedOne]

soapbox opinion lol sorry i should have corrected that, good point epicorchard

im not saying im right or wrong, there are a bunch of ways to skin this cat, and they all work,

if money and space and ect is not a factor, then of course the more the better, to a degree

I just dont want any noobs to think the only way to get a big plant is to buy 5 yards per plant.....we've had 8+ out of a 200 documented here on icmag

but yea i guess tbh if i was setting up my dream spot id have pretty slick beds and they prob be at least a couple yards each

 

[Bulldog420]

If anyones interested I ran BD in a 200 gallon smarty thats getting processed seperately and I also ran a few in 1,000 gal of soil. I should have yield and quality pics and info in a couple days. Its looking like the smarty threw down 8 super tight trimmed LBs with no buds smaller than a penny.

Let us know what the 1000 yields. Blue Dream would be just about the best test for this. Not many other plants utilize soil like Blue Dream.

I would be willing to bet 200 gallons would be more cost effective to grow OG KUSH varieties in than 1000 gallons. Purely because OG just doesn't utilize that much soil. So maybe the answer is some strains love more soil, where other require much less.

 

[Backyard Farmer]

i like lots of soil and lots of water and lots of sun.

 

[milkyjoe]

What would happen if one were to graft BD rootstock onto an OG? By developing a bigger root system I am speculating you could end that stretchy crap and stack some actual bud.

What about the roots they use for grafting tomatos on to...anyone know what they use.

 

[epicorchard]

not sure anyone has successfully gradted cannabis.

 

[mendo-local]

The only thing I can add to this discussion is that I grew 1 smartpot plant this year for the first time (200gl) and just got it trimmed up at a little over 7 and a half. I ended up having to dump nutes on her to keep her happy. Str8 water, compost tea then pbp in a cycle , same as i do my indoor.If I grew in a 200 next year I would work on my soil more and plant a little later fwiw. Also that plant was a few weeks earlier than the rest. Maybe because it was rootbound?

 

[cannascholar]

Peyote x taskenti is takin her sweet time. Trimpal is excellent. Big up to backyard farmer for informing the community about a highly effective bottled organic nutrient.

 

[high life 45]

not sure anyone has successfully gradted cannabis.

there is actually a thread here on IC where someone has grafted multiple strains onto one rootstalk... I wanted to make a library of strains on one plant.

milky I have been curious about the same thing, find some industrial hemp variety or some kangativa style sativa to graftonto. I have watched tomato grafting irl and it seemed rather simple. The most important part is choosing seedlings of the same width in that tiny stalk.


got a few friends that average 12-15 on their girls..
ill try to find that pic of the 25# plant my friend grew a few years back. Its been posted a few times in this thread. Some sort of hinduskunk cross..

 

[redlaser]

tomatoes are grafted on tomato rootstock, with the rootstock selected for disease resistance and vigor. "Colosus" is an example. Same with fruit trees. Haven't heard of it being done with cannabis, sounds like it's worth a try though. Surely someone has done it though. Fruit trees are a bit more forgiving with grafting because you're working with semi-hardwood.

 

[high life 45]

This was after about 3 bins worth of tops were taken off of it. Thats why you can see the fencing up top and its flat looking. The trimmers were deleafing them when I got there. My bro who was managing the trimmers said that they get 5 a bin . Theres at least another 10 on there..

 

[high life 45]

tomatoes are grafted on tomato rootstock, with the rootstock selected for disease resistance and vigor. "Colosus" is an example. Same with fruit trees. Haven't heard of it being done with cannabis, sounds like it's worth a try though. Surely someone has done it though. Fruit trees are a bit more forgiving with grafting because you're working with semi-hardwood.

Some of the best tomato rootstalks to graft onto actually do not produce any fruit and are "non edible wild" varieties.