cloning question

[Former Guest]

I've had the worst time learning to clone and I just recently had my first successful attempt with 100% rooting 12/12 total.

when I took my cuts I first let them soak in coconut water, maxicrop, fulvic and aloe for 30 mins before doing the 45 degree cut. then I dipped in gel and then put into plugs that were in a large celled tray with a 1/2 inch of perlite on the bottom. I put perlite in any spaces around the plug so the water would wick up to the plug and also had a top layer of perlite as well. used some dutchmasters zone in the water instead of chlorine which would also work. and then domed it up. this time though I put in a hygrometer and I was super surprised at how high the humidity stayed in there because the dome look dry with no condensate. using the tips above with the dome should really help along with the lower wattage bulb. that was my other problem I had. I have them in my grow room after they rooted and were transplanted in the shade of the dehuey so they can be warmer but not get direct light and that has worked just okay. next time less light. you could try smaller curly cfls in low watts but lots of them which would be less heat than the 200w or even the 50w. I used two 12 watt daylight cfls.. one week later I had inch long roots coming out of the plugs. cloning is such a bitch.

 

[sourpuss]

Wanna add my clone setup that works. Its easy too. I use a bubbler system called oxyclone... tryed it without adding a cheap air pump and it was hit or miss. Someone here suggested an air pump think it was str8edge. Works like a charm... used to be so particular about things.... sterilizing razor blades... double washing my hands... still good ideas.... but I dont bother anymore... took a medman method and just cut more clones than need be. Take the steongest and toss the rest. Anyway. I cut the clone as usual, half inch under a node on a diagonal. I go for more foliage than normal, most people trim the leaves back not me. I find the quickest rooters r the big leafy ones. This applies to bubbler only. With bubblers there is plentiful water to sustain the leaves. I personally put the stem about a half inch under the surface. So the cloneight droop at the time of cutting so be prepared to most them. It should omly take 1 or 2 mistings to bring droopers back up. If not something is wrong.

Then its a set it forget it and b patient. Keep it topped and your good.

I use city tap, and top off wiyh my basic veg nutes. Use your eyes they can go toxic or def quick. Most say dont use nutes. I say my clones now dont even yellow. They continie growth once roots appear. They sorta stay stagnant till then but wont look all shitty when rooted. Normally I see good size roots 1 to 2 weeks later. Patience is key.

 

[there goes edro]

I got a 20 fluorescent bulb a couple of feet away. I'm pretty sure one of my mistakes during trying water cloning was too much light. Last time I checked on them they were looking good. Looks like some the the 6 Mental Floss clones might make it as well. I normally haven't felt confident with my other half assed attempts but I feel that a majority of these will pull through. Have no idea what I'll do with all the clones but that's a whole other story.

 

[stoned-trout]

water cloning never worked well for me.. I use solo cups. a heat mat set into clear sterilite tub with another tub on top.. got a thermostat on heat mat.. pure perlite for tough strains and perlite soil mix for rest...no muss no fuss...easy peasy... ooh ya a floro 17 watt light from walmart layed on top...undercabinet grow light like 12$$$$... if I do a lot I just use a bigass cooler

 

[there goes edro]

A thread with no pics is boring so. . .

A thread with no pics is boring so. . .



Here's a pic I snapped when I took the dome off for a minute to let them get a little fresh air. The Mental Floss are the first two rows. Yeah the yellow looking ones. Hopefully in 4 to 7 days I should have roots. Whether the outcome is good or bad I'll post my results for learning purposes.

 

[atk7]

Don't hesitate to try diff methods till u find what works best for your environment and strains I had a strain that wouldn't clone well till. I tried water only , aero cloner , cubes, with root hormone and without also a few different kinds of hormone both powder and gel . My best overall success however was with a thread I found on this site I think it was titled wal mart cloner. Almost 100 % success now even with the hardest strains. it is made from an ice cube tray that makes cubes that will fit into a water bottle I can make 24 clones in an area 8in by 11 in so it doesn't take up much room either . The most important thing with cloning is the right temp in the root zone. Too cold slow or no root too hot just rot. I will see if I can find the thread and post it here

 

[atk7]

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=42847&highlight=mart+cloner
I couldn't find the exact tray the shown in this thread but one verry similar, so had to modify the one I found by drilling out the bottom of each tube w a 3/8 in hole but it works. I also use a water bath with a small fish tank heater in it under the clner tub instead of a heat mat mostly because I had those materials around from a bubble cloner I had made . temp stays perfect for me . No need for domes or misting just set and forget other than topping off the tubs as needed with water.

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

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Here's a pic I snapped when I took the dome off for a minute to let them get a little fresh air. The Mental Floss are the first two rows. Yeah the yellow looking ones. Hopefully in 4 to 7 days I should have roots. Whether the outcome is good or bad I'll post my results for learning purposes.

In my post above If you read my directions I left


I stated to " cut leaves in half " I dont see that you did that. I noticed that this slowed down my rooting rate big time when you cut the leaves in half it tells the plants to focus its energy on building roots instead of focusing on the leaf growth

Make sense ?


Just my opinion and exp. Like I said I just went 40/40 in rapidrooters.


FYI: I always cut double the amnt. that I need to pick the best of the best learned this from the vets on here like DHF. Good to have a plan a and b




AJAE

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

And edro you got a dome on em right ? you just took the pics w/o the dome on right.



AJAE

 

[siftedunity]

coco plugs or rockwool, mix 2mls per gallon bloom nutrients, ph to 5.5, soak the coco plugs or rockwool, then dip with clonex and dome up under t5s.

don't cut leaves off! the stored energy in the leaves is what feeds the new root growth. plus spray the clones with ph water as you take them, that stops them flopping over. ive found if they flop over once, they might stand back up but they are never as vigorous to root following that. these are the rules I go by, I get 100% rooted and some from 5 days onwards depending on strain.

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

coco plugs or rockwool, mix 2mls per gallon bloom nutrients, ph to 5.5, soak the coco plugs or rockwool, then dip with clonex and dome up under t5s.

don't cut leaves off! the stored energy in the leaves is what feeds the new root growth. plus spray the clones with ph water as you take them, that stops them flopping over. ive found if they flop over once, they might stand back up but they are never as vigorous to root following that. these are the rules I go by, I get 100% rooted and some from 5 days and onwards depending on strain.

You dont need nutes until roots show imo And then Ill throw in a rooting supplement and watch em go crazy. Also I think you misunderstood my previous post I didnt say cut the leaves off I said in half. Have you not seen clones with leaves cut in half before it tells the plant to focus on root formation instead of leaf growth on top. Spraying the dome on the inside works magic.



AJAE

 

[there goes edro]

And edro you got a dome on em right ? you just took the pics w/o the dome on right.



AJAE

Yeah, the dome is on. Just took off for a couple of pics. Thanks for the reminder about the leaves. I'll get to them tomorrow.

 

[RB56]

I cut the leaves in half.

1) Might signal root formation.
2) Less weight to carry and keep turgid.
3) Easier to keep track of new vs. old growth.
4) Easier to handle and keep a large number in close proximity.

 

[Pro Headies]

Ive cloned many different ways from humidity domes to cups with baggies to ez cloners. In a dome or cups i find they root best when kept at 78-80f and water or ez cloner work best if water is 70f and room temp 75f. I see your temp gauge says 73f, will make it slow to root and sometimes make them not root or show weak roots at lower temps.

 

[siftedunity]

You dont need nutes until roots show imo And then Ill throw in a rooting supplement and watch em go crazy. Also I think you misunderstood my previous post I didnt say cut the leaves off I said in half. Have you not seen clones with leaves cut in half before it tells the plant to focus on root formation instead of leaf growth on top. Spraying the dome on the inside works magic.



AJAE

plants need nutrients, roots or not.. higher nitrogen slows the root growth. bloom nutrients encourage roots, its pretty well documented.

cutting leaves in half does not encourage rooting, it essentially cuts off part of the clones food supply. more food = faster roots.

you shouldn't actually need to spray the dome but I guess that's down to personal preference. il take 60 clones and do side by sides, plus I learn from people who sell clones commercially, and take some tips from people who take more clones than I ever have. im not trying to be a smart ass but ive tested some of these things over and over.


im not discrediting your method if it works for you, but I wouldn't neigh say until you see the results. id honestly say try it and see what you think.

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

plants need nutrients, roots or not.. higher nitrogen slows the root growth. bloom nutrients encourage roots, its pretty well documented.

cutting leaves in half does not encourage rooting, it essentially cuts off part of the clones food supply. more food = faster roots.

you shouldn't actually need to spray the dome but I guess that's down to personal preference. il take 60 clones and do side by sides, plus I learn from people who sell clones commercially, and take some tips from people who take more clones than I ever have. im not trying to be a smart ass but ive tested some of these things over and over.


im not discrediting your method if it works for you, but I wouldn't neigh say until you see the results. id honestly say try it and see what you think.

No offense taken

Everyone has there own way but other people have chimed in about cutting the leaves in half too. I say plain ph water because like you said plants do need nutes but that is why they should have enough nutes built up in the leaves and use that if needed.


AJAE

 

[sourpuss]

Id like to add that less misting is better to encourage water draw from the missing roots signaling to the plant to make some roota down there. ****For bubble cloning***

 

[siftedunity]

^I agree with that, ive read that even foliar feeding can slow down root growth.. wouldn't surprise me..

 

[siftedunity]

No offense taken

Everyone has there own way but other people have chimed in about cutting the leaves in half too. I say plain ph water because like you said plants do need nutes but that is why they should have enough nutes built up in the leaves and use that if needed.


AJAE

yeah no worries.. thing is it all depends on the situation... what works in some environments doesn't always work in others. I mean Ive had plants before which are ment to be hard to root that root fast, then others which are ment to be easy can be a ball ache. healthy mothers is probably key, taking the healthiest shoots is important. so many little factors. but im still learning, I get plenty of shit wrong.

just thought id add, I can see what you mean that the plant should have stored food in the leaves.. might be probably more reason not to chop them off, or in half. I used to do it but actually notice no difference at all between chopped leaves or left on. but I do think once rooted the more plant you have left, the better/faster the recovery. one of my buddies has great looking clones, he says that it should come out of the prop, rooted, looking the same the day it was snipped off the mother.. and since he said it, I try to strive for that. all this is my take on things im no expert. if something works for you, stick with it..

 

[there goes edro]

How much water do you add when the rapid rooters start feeling dry? Only 1 MF looking bad and yellowing. The rest look pretty happy. Thanks once again to everyone that contributed to this thread with their great ideas and input! Love and Respect!