Broad Mite and Spider Mite IPM for Cannabis (lets get a convo going)

[RetroGrow]

When one person says their treatment is "better" and all others are "stupid", IMHO it is synonymous as saying, "there is only one way doing something".
Retro, you presented you heat alternative...now move on. To preach about it from a church pulpit is rather nauseating.

What's nauseating is your lying. I never said "all others are stupid", or " "there is only one way doing something". You made that up, again. In fact, I named several ways of dealing with BMs, which I consider better than toxic chems, but you conveniently omitted that. Your post is disingenuous and dishonest. It's kind of pathetic that you stoop to lying to make your point, but not surprising. Why don't you document where I said there is only one way of doing things? Oh, that's right, you can't, because you just made that up.

 

[zuni]

What's nauseating is your lying. I never said "all others are stupid", or " "there is only one way doing something". You made that up, again. In fact, I named several ways of dealing with BMs, which I consider better than toxic chems, but you conveniently omitted that. Your post is disingenuous and dishonest. It's kind of pathetic that you stoop to lying to make your point, but not surprising. Why don't you document where I said there is only one way of doing things? Oh, that's right, you can't, because you just made that up.

why does every thread I read have Retro acting like hes the king of the forest lol. All this guy does is start crap with people and derail threads. We get it you worship heat treatments. what are your several other suggestions, I am having trouble finding them as I read your post all I see is you being condescending to everyone Now quit trying to be a bully and move on. Its apparent noone in this thread wants you around.

 

[zuni]

not to mention the original posting already mentions it and incorporates heat treatments into the IPM. Not sure what you think you are contributing to? I also see the post talking about chems is a factual presentation, but not advocating. Looks like someone else is imagining things. The OP discusses Chems to try to educate and get convos going. Your opinion is obvious and noone cares to hear it again and again

 

[RetroGrow]

why does every thread I read have Retro acting like hes the king of the forest lol. All this guy does is start crap with people and derail threads. We get it you worship heat treatments. what are your several other suggestions, I am having trouble finding them as I read your post all I see is you being condescending to everyone Now quit trying to be a bully and move on. Its apparent noone in this thread wants you around.

I take comfort in the dozens and dozens of PMs I have received form people from all over the world, many of them expert growers, thanking me for the heat treatment idea. That means something to me. Your post means nothing. You have a reading comprehension problem if you can't find the other methods I recommended. Read it a few more times. I'm sure you will find it. It's right in front of your eyes. I am not being condescending when I call someone out for lying and making things up. Sorry, but posting knowledge is not "bullying". And I don't particularly want you around either, but those are the breaks. Hopefully, my posts will help some people, as I know they already have. Unfortunately, you can't say the same thing.

 

[forkup]

I, for one, can say with absolute confidence that the heat treatments work! As RetroGrow says once you find what it takes to get your room up to temp it's repeatable and easy. Thanks for the tech!

 

[EclipseFour20]

Yeah, Retro thought he was the "king of Root Aphids" with his "one trick pony", but that was short lived. History has a way of repeating itself I guess. LOL!

Thanks for the neg rep Retro...LOL! In return for your act of kindness--let's walk down memory lane and recollect what you said a year or so ago.

First, let's reiterate a simple concept: When ALL plants die after a treatment--that is called "failure"...not "success", as you claimed repeatedly in that old RA thread (therefor misleading/deceiving everyone). Remember my post where you got "sliced & diced" with your own words? Here it is if you forgot--

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=5657469&postcount=2117

Want a "king-sized" shovel now?

 

[Former Guest]

you use chems retro? Imid? wow. I got neg repped too and I never said you were wrong. I just said that we heard your opinion but that was after everyone started fighting and I just wanted it to stop. plus I asked if eggs were killed by the Nuke Em after you said it wouldn't work at all and you never responded. I would really like this to be a conversation but sadly, I'm sure this thread will get deleted. not like anything good is going to come out of it now anyways. no one learned a damn thing. sounds like both of you have a personal issues with each other. I thought for SURE that Payaso would be the last post, but it got started up again.

 

[stoned-trout]

wow .. all I can say is I love it when some people think they have invented the wheel... the heat method aint nuthin new.. gardeners been battling bugs a long time,, same bugs diff plant....most of what we do growing dope was taken from other horticulture growers....mites have diapause, women have menopause ,atleast the mites don't bitch about it lol

 

[Mikell]

Hot air/water treatment dates back to the 1930's, and I believe is still used to sanitize shipping containers of fruit, veg, flowers, etc. There is a great article written at the time I have buried somewhere that details hot air/hot water/mineral oil treatments.

I also believe EF420 in post 115/118, was trying to get across that heat treatments may well work, and I think they do, but that there is damage on a cellular level. News to me, and I'll enjoy looking in to it more thoroughly. The plant as a whole may not show damage (reference to definition of anecdotal evidence, supporting replies here) and recover quickly, but that if laboratory grade testing were available such damage would be measurable.

To my mind, the damage of the treatment is preferable to the damage of the pest and the environmental damage of traditional control measures.

I appreciate Retro's contributions here and have been reading his posts with pleasure for years. If he repeatedly responds to BM threads with heat treatment as a solution, it likely is only a response to the ridiculous culture of 80+% of the people here, never using the bloody search function.

Regardless, it was handled terribly and devolved in to a pissing match. Perhaps Payaso or such can clean up the thread, we'll all have a group hug, pretend stoned-trout didn't use said hug as another opportunity to rub his hard-on up against strangers and move on?

 

[EclipseFour20]

IMHO, if I point out a fault/defect/unintended consequence...or disagree with your idea--it does not mean I think less of you or we should feud like enemies. It just means I have a different point of view (period).

In other words...."Somebody who agrees with me 80 percent of the time is a friend and ally, not a 20 percent traitor". I live by these words and am blessed with friends that always do not agree with each other...but we still enjoy each others' company; secret? we don't focus on the differences...and the loser buys when proven wrong. LOL

But I am not Jesus either, so that "turn the cheek" thing is not how I roll...so escalation sometimes is inevitable...but that too can be debated/fought/settled civilly as well (not afraid of a bloody nose).

This world is so full of "negativity" right now...so I guess it is no surprise to see an increase of "needless negativity" here on ICMag as well. Many people seem to feel real frustrated and distrustful right now....aka anxiety.

 

[forkup]

Blame it on the republicans, I do

 

[stoned-trout]

wasn't trying to rub one out on anyone..just pointing out stuff been around a while and chances are the road you go down others been down too before you...techniques we use were just carried over from other horticulturists on other plants.......for the most part...

 

[EclipseFour20]

Yep...in doing research on my crazy Raw Milk thing, I came across a book written in 1908 that discussed how Indian farmers (as in country of India--not the native american type) used milk as a soil amendment to improve "bad land". Funny how old stuff will disappear of the radar screen, and then suddenly (blows off the dust) it will have new life again.

Yeah, I took credit for developing the Root Aphid treatment using Orthene and Riptide, cuz I alone developed it. Let's just say, prior to me posting my Orthene and Riptide treatment on ICMag, Orthene (acephate) was not discussed in the cannabis growing forums to combat Root Aphids. Today, you can not find a cannabis growing forum that does NOT mention Orthene as a viable solution to combat Root Aphids. But...the credit to use Orthene against Root Aphids goes to Dr. Ray Cloyd, one of the most respected entomologist alive today; he pointed me in the right direction. I added Riptide after observing zero flyers and zero RAs when it was combined with Orthene...something that Orthene by itself did not deliver, unless I increased the dosage...and poof the magic recipe Orthene + Riptide.

 

[RetroGrow]

wow .. all I can say is I love it when some people think they have invented the wheel... the heat method aint nuthin new.. gardeners been battling bugs a long time,, same bugs diff plant....most of what we do growing dope was taken from other horticulture growers....mites have diapause, women have menopause ,atleast the mites don't bitch about it lol

Well, if you were paying attention, you would know that I have been pointing out for years that commercial greenhouses have been using heat treatments against broad mites using hot water dunks. Following their example, I tried hot water dunks on cannabis to try and kill them, but instead, it killed the plants. Because of that, I tried hot air, and it worked. This was the first documented attempt at that process. No one else tried it before, and in fact I got flamed when I first brought it up, and called a liar, and told that this would kill the plants. But guess what, it doesn't kill plants, but does kill mites. So lets see your documentation about anyone using hot air to kill broad mites before that time. You can't. Thanks for playing, though.

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

well we just cant have a nice thread now can we. its all about you. every time a thread gets going and someone disagrees and you, you cut off the proverbial nose of the thread to spite the important face of the topic. all at anyones expense that's here in crisis. pretty pathetic. i guess we will have another binned bm thread. i vote we spend the rest of the thread sparring. what a awesome contribution to the community these are.

 

[Oliver Pantsoff]

Retro has given a lot of good advice on killing BM's IMO. Heat treatments, and using aspirin sprays have helped me a lot when trying to battle these lil shits!! I dont know him personally, but it seems like he's put in a lot of time trying to kill BM's. I was one of those guys that sent him a thank you msg for the heat treatments and what not. Im sure he's saved a lot of people money, time, and heartache lol..

I was watching infested a few months back, and there was an episode about a family having bed bugs. Well, they tried everything they could to get rid of em. They disposed furniture, moved, threw away clothes, chemicals, etc...They couldnt do anything to rid them until they called one pest guy, and he suggested "heat treatments"...Well after they brought in the equipment, and heated the house up, they were gone...Makes a lot of sense on killing the broads...

OP

 

[Mikell]

I was watching infested a few months back, and there was an episode about a family having bed bugs. Well, they tried everything they could to get rid of em. They disposed furniture, moved, threw away clothes, chemicals, etc...They couldnt do anything to rid them until they called one pest guy, and he suggested "heat treatments"...Well after they brought in the equipment, and heated the house up, they were gone...Makes a lot of sense on killing the broads...

OP

You know what the fucking joke is?

Every pest control specialist knows about this, or they live under a rock, and yet the majority still do the same old shit.

 

[EclipseFour20]

Well, if you were paying attention, you would know that I have been pointing out for years that commercial greenhouses have been using heat treatments against broad mites using hot water dunks. Following their example, I tried hot water dunks on cannabis to try and kill them, but instead, it killed the plants. Because of that, I tried hot air, and it worked. This was the first documented attempt at that process. No one else tried it before, and in fact I got flamed when I first brought it up, and called a liar, and told that this would kill the plants. But guess what, it doesn't kill plants, but does kill mites. So lets see your documentation about anyone using hot air to kill broad mites before that time. You can't. Thanks for playing, though.

Retro, back in 1933, before your mama and papa met, smarter people than you were using "vapor heat" to kill Broad Mites and they published their work.

Read the last sentence please.

Source: http://books.google.com/books?id=ve9FAQAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false


Read the last sentence of the first paragraph and all the 2nd paragraph.

Source: https://archive.org/details/cyclamenmitebroa301smit

You did not invent the heat treatment (aka vapor heat) to kill broad mites, smarter people than you beat you to the punch.

BTW, Retro...saying shit does not make it true. I have told you about 20 times in various threads that I got rid of those persistent, Imid resistant Root Aphids long ago (as documented in that thread). So grow up and stop creating fiction...so you can look "cool". I follow that thread only to answer questions regarding the novel treatment I developed--not to learn how to get rid of em.

As to your "one successful treatment" treating Root Aphids, I believe you are overstating the truth--allow me to quote what you said...

Hey Goddess:
I feel your pain.
I tore my whole room down and performed autopsies on all 21 plants after getting too frustrated trying to save them. I am virtually certain that the RAs also transmitted some other infection, all the more reason to start over. When I pulled all the plants out of the pots, I only found 3 tanks and one flyer in 21 plants. That was after Imid treatment was done on them, although the pots were already wet when I drenched them, and I didn't wait for the others to die as I saw the plants were a lost cause. My original mother plant, which was large and got a total imid drench didn't have a single bug of any kind on it, so the Imid definitely works. I know you don't want to use it, but it is the only thing that really works, and is safe to use in veg. It's approved for use on foodstuffs.
Aside from that, I washed down and sprayed everything with Physan 20, which kills fungus, molds, spores, bacteria, and viruses, so it's effective against any other cross-contamination from other hostiles.
I am going to keep one plant in my room with Imid. This can be another variety, like nasturtiums, like someone suggested, or it can be cannabis. This should prevent/control any future infestations. I strongly recommend Physan 20!
Lost all my Cindy 99s and My AK47s......bummer.
As I've sterilized everything to the best of my ability, if this comes up again, I will change locations.
Good luck!

Does not sound like one treatment got you success....I call that FAILURE when all plants die. LOL.

BTW, why are you so negative and full of hate?

 

[zuni]

All I know is that Heat Treatments and spraying with organics are not the only pieces of a sound IPM. Its obvious the heat treatment is already in the IPM so what is everyone bickering about? IS was there before retro even came in the thread. Heat treatment is one of the many tools we should be using and if some ppl choose to use chemicals also, then so be it.

 

[EclipseFour20]

All I know is that Heat Treatments and spraying with organics are not the only pieces of a sound IPM. Its obvious the heat treatment is already in the IPM so what is everyone bickering about? IS was there before retro even came in the thread. Heat treatment is one of the many tools we should be using and if some ppl choose to use chemicals also, then so be it.

Heat treatment is not with harm...I posted a few science papers regarding that and Retro went ballistic (hence is current tantrum and rant). Reduced potency and potential structural change are two possible side effects.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=6604392&postcount=47