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Greenops goes pheno hunting: 30 + beans under 600w, Coco DTW
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greenops
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Day 28 18/6 - Day 2 12/12
Yes I flipped the switch yesterday to avoid overcrowding.
I expect to spot males in the next 14 days so i can finally remove them and let the females breath.
It's amazing how the root growth exploded after the transplant.
There are even roots poking out of the surface now. I just hope I don't damage the root system when I have to remove then re-insert the drippers back in the medium.
Overall I'm pleased on how healthy the plants look. I Lstd the tallest plant in attempt to keep an even canopy.
Yesterday, I took the first batch of clones from every plant except about 5 phenos that didn't have long enough branches. I'll take another round of cuts before the 7th day of 12/12.
Couple days ago I sprayed down the plants with a garlic spray recipe for PM prevention.
Now, another thing i gotta watch out for are white flies. I've seen some on the terrace, which is right outside the room my tents are in. There's where I get my intake air from, I got hepa filter covering my ducting tho. But I guess they can still find their way in.
I've been using the 400w lamp after their first week. Starting today I'll use the 600w lamp and just dim down to 400w if it gets too hot.
Currently I got 28 C and 60 - 70% RH. Humidity is quite high.. the coco always gotta be moist. I got 5 fans for circulation, hope it helps.
They are still being fed twice a day. I bumped the nutes just a lil bit, still a bit less than half that Canna recommends, feeding twice a day.
On another note, i've been thinking of changing to smart pots for my next run. I wanna see if they yield better like they say. Does anyone here have any experience with it?
I'm still hesitant because some say that the medium dries fast...
Yes I flipped the switch yesterday to avoid overcrowding.
I expect to spot males in the next 14 days so i can finally remove them and let the females breath.
It's amazing how the root growth exploded after the transplant.
There are even roots poking out of the surface now. I just hope I don't damage the root system when I have to remove then re-insert the drippers back in the medium.
Overall I'm pleased on how healthy the plants look. I Lstd the tallest plant in attempt to keep an even canopy.
Yesterday, I took the first batch of clones from every plant except about 5 phenos that didn't have long enough branches. I'll take another round of cuts before the 7th day of 12/12.
Couple days ago I sprayed down the plants with a garlic spray recipe for PM prevention.
Now, another thing i gotta watch out for are white flies. I've seen some on the terrace, which is right outside the room my tents are in. There's where I get my intake air from, I got hepa filter covering my ducting tho. But I guess they can still find their way in.
I've been using the 400w lamp after their first week. Starting today I'll use the 600w lamp and just dim down to 400w if it gets too hot.
Currently I got 28 C and 60 - 70% RH. Humidity is quite high.. the coco always gotta be moist. I got 5 fans for circulation, hope it helps.
They are still being fed twice a day. I bumped the nutes just a lil bit, still a bit less than half that Canna recommends, feeding twice a day.
On another note, i've been thinking of changing to smart pots for my next run. I wanna see if they yield better like they say. Does anyone here have any experience with it?
I'm still hesitant because some say that the medium dries fast...
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Miraculous Meds
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Ive played with smart pots, I didn't think they helped. it built up white debris, im guessing salts, but I didn't go back to them/
greenops
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No increase in yield huh.. There was also a tiny layer of a salt looking substance on the surface in my last grow when i used normal plastic pots.
On another note, I checked the plants today and already identified 5 females. 2 of them Deadhead OGs! Yea!
Unfortunately the boys havent showed up yet, cuz I'd really like to remove some.
On another note, I checked the plants today and already identified 5 females. 2 of them Deadhead OGs! Yea!
Unfortunately the boys havent showed up yet, cuz I'd really like to remove some.
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greenops
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Day 35 from seed - Day 9 12/12
Fortunately pre-flowers showed up not long after the switch.
I'm blessed with plenty of females.. only 5 turned out to be males:
Deadhead 2 and 3, Cheeseberry 5, Chuckys Bride 3, Pineapple Diesel 1.
The female ratio per Strain is crazy, almost as if I ordered fem seeds:
2/4 Dedhead OG
3/3 Vortex
6/7 Cheeseberry Haze
6/7 Chucky's Bride
6/6 Cheeto Kush
2/3 Pineapple Diesel
1/1 Cheese Female Freebie
I don't know why of all strains, my fave Deadhead Og had the worst ratio. This strain already had the worst germination ration in the beginning, that's why i only managed to plant 4 of them.
Plus, the other female Deadhead OG is a mutant. It grew 1 side branch on the 3 node. Therefore she has extreme thick side branches though. Her size is equal to the others.
Anyway, no matter how tempting it is to grow out all the fems, i simply don't see how they will fit in this tent. I'm trying to use the 1 Plant Per Foot Rule. In my case, 16 sqf should house 16 plants. I picked out expectionally tall female phenos, Cheeseberry 7 and Chucky's Bride 7, Cheeto Kush 4 and 6 and removed them with the Cheese Fem and the four males.
So at the end of the day I ended up with 21 fems that i'm trying to grow out in 16 sqf.
Hope all goes well. To increase air circulation i'll try some defoliation on selected plants.
The cuttings I took a week ago still haven't rooted. I made a 2nd batch of clones from the pre-flowering plants 3 days ago.
In the meantime I increased the feed to 1.3 EC, however, 0.6 of that is tap!
Letting the pump go twice a day. I recently added Canna Boost to the program.
For PM and insect infestation prevention I sprayed them down today with a homemade garlic spray recipe.
It was a busy week. This week I'll start some LSTing and wait for the clones to root.
Currently the clones are in their dome under ambient light. I don't know if i should put them under the light now even if they havent rooted yet.
First picture below are the plants that didn't make the team.
Fortunately pre-flowers showed up not long after the switch.
I'm blessed with plenty of females.. only 5 turned out to be males:
Deadhead 2 and 3, Cheeseberry 5, Chuckys Bride 3, Pineapple Diesel 1.
The female ratio per Strain is crazy, almost as if I ordered fem seeds:
2/4 Dedhead OG
3/3 Vortex
6/7 Cheeseberry Haze
6/7 Chucky's Bride
6/6 Cheeto Kush
2/3 Pineapple Diesel
1/1 Cheese Female Freebie
I don't know why of all strains, my fave Deadhead Og had the worst ratio. This strain already had the worst germination ration in the beginning, that's why i only managed to plant 4 of them.
Plus, the other female Deadhead OG is a mutant. It grew 1 side branch on the 3 node. Therefore she has extreme thick side branches though. Her size is equal to the others.
Anyway, no matter how tempting it is to grow out all the fems, i simply don't see how they will fit in this tent. I'm trying to use the 1 Plant Per Foot Rule. In my case, 16 sqf should house 16 plants. I picked out expectionally tall female phenos, Cheeseberry 7 and Chucky's Bride 7, Cheeto Kush 4 and 6 and removed them with the Cheese Fem and the four males.
So at the end of the day I ended up with 21 fems that i'm trying to grow out in 16 sqf.
Hope all goes well. To increase air circulation i'll try some defoliation on selected plants.
The cuttings I took a week ago still haven't rooted. I made a 2nd batch of clones from the pre-flowering plants 3 days ago.
In the meantime I increased the feed to 1.3 EC, however, 0.6 of that is tap!
Letting the pump go twice a day. I recently added Canna Boost to the program.
For PM and insect infestation prevention I sprayed them down today with a homemade garlic spray recipe.
It was a busy week. This week I'll start some LSTing and wait for the clones to root.
Currently the clones are in their dome under ambient light. I don't know if i should put them under the light now even if they havent rooted yet.
First picture below are the plants that didn't make the team.
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greenops
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Damn, the clones aren't rooting that well.
The first batch, the ones I took before the flip took 15-19 days until roots starting to poke out of the RW. Roots are very tiny and they don't seem to get any bigger as days go by.
Some of the top leaves are turning yellow and wilt. A couple clones also have dark discoloration along the middle of the leaves. Others still have all healthy green leaves though.
The a few clones from the 2nd batch, which I took 6 days after the first batch, have started rooting only 8 days after the cut. Overall they're more likely to pull through.
Unfortunately I could lose the Deadhead OGs because I didn't take any cuts for the 2nd batch. They're all first batch clones and therefore have slow growing roots..
The first batch, the ones I took before the flip took 15-19 days until roots starting to poke out of the RW. Roots are very tiny and they don't seem to get any bigger as days go by.
Some of the top leaves are turning yellow and wilt. A couple clones also have dark discoloration along the middle of the leaves. Others still have all healthy green leaves though.
The a few clones from the 2nd batch, which I took 6 days after the first batch, have started rooting only 8 days after the cut. Overall they're more likely to pull through.
Unfortunately I could lose the Deadhead OGs because I didn't take any cuts for the 2nd batch. They're all first batch clones and therefore have slow growing roots..
Miraculous Meds
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Hi greenops,
the clones sound like to high ph or too wet medium.
did u ph ur rockwool? Usually start by soaking 30 min in 5.5ph. Then after that,rockwool can be finicky,but once dialed 100% almost all the time. Gotta find that sweet spot where they stay wet but not soaking, so they can breath.
Just take another batch of those deadhead og's. U can take them anytime, they just take longer to revert back to veg.
the clones sound like to high ph or too wet medium.
did u ph ur rockwool? Usually start by soaking 30 min in 5.5ph. Then after that,rockwool can be finicky,but once dialed 100% almost all the time. Gotta find that sweet spot where they stay wet but not soaking, so they can breath.
Just take another batch of those deadhead og's. U can take them anytime, they just take longer to revert back to veg.
greenops
Member
Day 48 from seed - Day 22 under 12/12 - Day 9 Bloom
I had to remove 2 more plants: Chucky's Bride 5 and 6.
The place got too crowded and they got over towered by the other plants as they were a bit behind.
I'm left with 19 and they should all stay til the end:
Deadhead OG 1 and 4
Vortex 1, 2 and 3
Cheeseberry Haze 1, 2, 3, 4 and 6
Chucky's Bride 1, 2, 4,
Pineapple Diesel 2 and 3
Up close it's easy to see that the plants aren't flowering at the same pace.
The Deadhead OGs and the Vortex phenoes started really throwing pistils after about 14 days in 12/12. The others are just about starting now while the DeHeOGs smellin nice already.
4 days ago I put up that trellis net they sell at my grow shop.
At first I didn't plan to use one, as i wanted to do sumthin else than scrog, but they were shooting up and I know that light can't get much higher. Some areas in the tent reaches 30C... but ambient is 27ish.
I defoliated lightly a week ago and did some more yesterday to improve air circulation, plus i'm getting 2 extra clip fans in there.
So yeah, I'm having some problems with the clones.
There are a lot of clones that got tiny roots poking out the bottom since a week ago. They're growing very slow, but a few clones came out after 10 days.. i let them grow some more roots and today i planted the first 10 in soil. Hope it wasn't to early. The soil is lightly pre ferted too, i didnt have anything else.
Should I let the other clones grow more roots before transplanting? Or will they do better once I transplant them?
I'm currently feeding them half the recommended dose, ec 1.3, ph 5.8-6.2. Starting yesterday they're getting 4 feeds per light cycle.
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I had to remove 2 more plants: Chucky's Bride 5 and 6.
The place got too crowded and they got over towered by the other plants as they were a bit behind.
I'm left with 19 and they should all stay til the end:
Deadhead OG 1 and 4
Vortex 1, 2 and 3
Cheeseberry Haze 1, 2, 3, 4 and 6
Chucky's Bride 1, 2, 4,
Pineapple Diesel 2 and 3
Up close it's easy to see that the plants aren't flowering at the same pace.
The Deadhead OGs and the Vortex phenoes started really throwing pistils after about 14 days in 12/12. The others are just about starting now while the DeHeOGs smellin nice already.
4 days ago I put up that trellis net they sell at my grow shop.
At first I didn't plan to use one, as i wanted to do sumthin else than scrog, but they were shooting up and I know that light can't get much higher. Some areas in the tent reaches 30C... but ambient is 27ish.
I defoliated lightly a week ago and did some more yesterday to improve air circulation, plus i'm getting 2 extra clip fans in there.
So yeah, I'm having some problems with the clones.
There are a lot of clones that got tiny roots poking out the bottom since a week ago. They're growing very slow, but a few clones came out after 10 days.. i let them grow some more roots and today i planted the first 10 in soil. Hope it wasn't to early. The soil is lightly pre ferted too, i didnt have anything else.
Should I let the other clones grow more roots before transplanting? Or will they do better once I transplant them?
I'm currently feeding them half the recommended dose, ec 1.3, ph 5.8-6.2. Starting yesterday they're getting 4 feeds per light cycle.
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greenops
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Yea I phd to 5.8... They're not soaking, the RW isn't dry but rather moist. I'm not sure if they need more water. They were getting ambient light and at night i put them under the fluros. Starting today I'll leave them under the fluros the whole light cycle.
I can't take a cut from a deadhead anymore as all the branches have well developed buds already. I'll try my luck with the ones i got.
Miraculous Meds
Well-known member
U can clone a budded branch if its an important pheno I would do it. otherwise ur only choice is regreening the flowered out pheno.
Sounds lilke u need to let them dry a bit more still. U can transplant with those roots, heck even with out them. If u think u will have an easier time getting them going id throw them in ur soil. Maybe check out those peat/coco rooting cubes as they usually don't hold as much water as rockwool, and I usually find them easier to root in.
the canopy looks good and healthy, but a bit full in there still. Gonna get exciting over the next few weeks!
Sounds lilke u need to let them dry a bit more still. U can transplant with those roots, heck even with out them. If u think u will have an easier time getting them going id throw them in ur soil. Maybe check out those peat/coco rooting cubes as they usually don't hold as much water as rockwool, and I usually find them easier to root in.
the canopy looks good and healthy, but a bit full in there still. Gonna get exciting over the next few weeks!
Miraculous Meds
Well-known member
That's a good question that I don't know the answer too. Im leaning towards no. But some strains take longer than others, so when u have the opportunity to take as much as 3 or 4 times the amount u need u can just take the quickest best rooted cuts and ditch the rest, giving u the most healthy vigorous clones to go with. I usually don't take that many but at least double what in need.
It sure does take a lot of work to keep track of everything, clones and back ups, notes. Its a fun challenge that's keeping me busy too. Its gonna be rewarding though, we will find some interesting things that make it worth while!
Have a read of this
On that grow I can tell there'll be a lot of clone stock under the canopy at the end.
greenops
Member
Day 56 from seed - Day 30 under 12/12 - Day 17 Bloom
The stretch has pretty much stopped now. With the help of the net I was able to contain them. I even put a second net up to control the taller branches.
Couple days ago I did the last round of defoliation, targeting specific leaves that were blocking the light and air circulation.
So now that we're approaching mid flowering, variations between the plants are more noticeable now.
I got both Deadheads next to each other in the middle of the scrog. Both stayed very short, they barely reached the first net. I didn't expect that, I hope they will at least produce some heavy ass nugs. However, they're are both the fastest flowering strains in the group. Plus the smell is amazing. It leaves an intense fruity bubblegum smell on my fingers.
From the Cheeseberry Haze I got a very Sativa dominant pheno. It's the tallest plant at the back. She has not much trics plus lacks smell. Other phenos are a bit shorter, have more trichs on them plus different kinds of pleasant terpenes.
I got two Chucky's Bride phenos in the middle of the front row. Both are very similar, have sativaish like leaves and have a nice tropical smell to them, most likely from the C99 lineage.
The 3 Vortex phenos also seem to share the same appearance and have a faster flowering rate than only behind the Deadheads. Their smell is kinda fruity and tropical too.
The Cheeto Kush phenos are of medium height, doesn't flower quite as fast. They have thick branches and smell rather musky. I'm very curious about this strain, because the
breeder personally sent me a pack for free
Now unfortunately we're down to 18 plants as one plant fucking hermed on me.
So many runs with fem seeds before and never have i seen a hermie.
This time got it. It was the Cheesebery Haze 4, one that is quite big and has a very strong blueberry bubblegum smell to it.
There were maybe 3 to 5 set of nanners found on the below the lower bud sites.
But I consider myself lucky that I even caught it. Prolly only because it was right in front in the corner. If it was in the back i surely would have missed it.
Now I'm not sure what caused it. Genetics, stress from defoliation, or was it light leak?
Yea that cooould be it, as this plant was exactly in that corner where an opening for intake is located. I noticed that that opening wasn't sealed completely. I didn't bother much because the room stays dark anyways, but mayyybe it was that. I fixed that now with some tape.
But I'm wondering could I have grown out the hermie if I just plucked all the nanners?
Would it have stopped producing nanners if I had fixed the problem?
In regards to the feed, I'm giving them 5 small feeds per light cycle. The ec is at 1.4 now. Next time when I refill the tank I'm going to add a little PK13 for the first time.
One plant is starting to get yellow in the middle of the top leaves. Something that has happend a lot before and never was able to fix. Most upper leaves have small bumps on the edges.. no idea what that is.
Lastly, I transplanted all clones in starter pots now. A few clones had a lot of thick roots but most of the clones had much less when i transplanted them. After couple days i can already notice new growth on some clones. Hope the other will pick up soon too.
Oh and I took clones again from the budding Deadheads.... lets see what happens.
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The stretch has pretty much stopped now. With the help of the net I was able to contain them. I even put a second net up to control the taller branches.
Couple days ago I did the last round of defoliation, targeting specific leaves that were blocking the light and air circulation.
So now that we're approaching mid flowering, variations between the plants are more noticeable now.
I got both Deadheads next to each other in the middle of the scrog. Both stayed very short, they barely reached the first net. I didn't expect that, I hope they will at least produce some heavy ass nugs. However, they're are both the fastest flowering strains in the group. Plus the smell is amazing. It leaves an intense fruity bubblegum smell on my fingers.
From the Cheeseberry Haze I got a very Sativa dominant pheno. It's the tallest plant at the back. She has not much trics plus lacks smell. Other phenos are a bit shorter, have more trichs on them plus different kinds of pleasant terpenes.
I got two Chucky's Bride phenos in the middle of the front row. Both are very similar, have sativaish like leaves and have a nice tropical smell to them, most likely from the C99 lineage.
The 3 Vortex phenos also seem to share the same appearance and have a faster flowering rate than only behind the Deadheads. Their smell is kinda fruity and tropical too.
The Cheeto Kush phenos are of medium height, doesn't flower quite as fast. They have thick branches and smell rather musky. I'm very curious about this strain, because the
breeder personally sent me a pack for free
Now unfortunately we're down to 18 plants as one plant fucking hermed on me.
So many runs with fem seeds before and never have i seen a hermie.
This time got it. It was the Cheesebery Haze 4, one that is quite big and has a very strong blueberry bubblegum smell to it.
There were maybe 3 to 5 set of nanners found on the below the lower bud sites.
But I consider myself lucky that I even caught it. Prolly only because it was right in front in the corner. If it was in the back i surely would have missed it.
Now I'm not sure what caused it. Genetics, stress from defoliation, or was it light leak?
Yea that cooould be it, as this plant was exactly in that corner where an opening for intake is located. I noticed that that opening wasn't sealed completely. I didn't bother much because the room stays dark anyways, but mayyybe it was that. I fixed that now with some tape.
But I'm wondering could I have grown out the hermie if I just plucked all the nanners?
Would it have stopped producing nanners if I had fixed the problem?
In regards to the feed, I'm giving them 5 small feeds per light cycle. The ec is at 1.4 now. Next time when I refill the tank I'm going to add a little PK13 for the first time.
One plant is starting to get yellow in the middle of the top leaves. Something that has happend a lot before and never was able to fix. Most upper leaves have small bumps on the edges.. no idea what that is.
Lastly, I transplanted all clones in starter pots now. A few clones had a lot of thick roots but most of the clones had much less when i transplanted them. After couple days i can already notice new growth on some clones. Hope the other will pick up soon too.
Oh and I took clones again from the budding Deadheads.... lets see what happens.
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greenops
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Thanks man.. I did it.
Miraculous Meds
Well-known member
Great update buddy! Love all the detail u put in, thanks.
can u just prop those deadhead og's up with some blocks or something so there up there with the canopy?
Interesting questions on the hermy. Only way to tell is pluck the male parts and keep an eye on it.
got any good pics of the yellowing and bumps ur talking about? Ill take a closer look at what u posted.
Keep up the good work sir.
can u just prop those deadhead og's up with some blocks or something so there up there with the canopy?
Interesting questions on the hermy. Only way to tell is pluck the male parts and keep an eye on it.
got any good pics of the yellowing and bumps ur talking about? Ill take a closer look at what u posted.
Keep up the good work sir.
Kombat Weed
Member
Really interesting
greenops
Member
I'm using Canna Coco as base nutes for the first time.
It comes with A and B... both are labelled with NPK of 5-4-3.
Then i add Hesi's root stimulator, enzyme and PK13 as I still got them left from my last grow.
Are u familiar with Canna Coco, any tips on how to use them more efficiently?
Thanks bro. I'm really all about the taste and smell, that's why i like to take notes on how that develops throughout the grow.
Yea i thought about raising the deadheads as u suggest but the net won't allow it. Anyway i think she will be fine.. i'll just make sure I let her clones veg out more in the next run.
I feel like an idiot, those bumps turned out to be trics. But they didn't look like trics in the beginning... oh and the yellowing didn't spread. Only 2-3 top leaves were affected but they are fine now
Miraculous Meds
Well-known member
trichomes are a good problem to have! 
On the nutes, I haven't use canna before, but all base nutes are similar. 1.0 to 1.2ec is plenty is the best advice.
On the nutes, I haven't use canna before, but all base nutes are similar. 1.0 to 1.2ec is plenty is the best advice.
