Opposing groups push message out to Florida voters about medical marijuana (Commercia

Tudo · Oct 4, 2014

You have to click on the actual link to view the television commercial videos.

Opposing groups push message out to Florida voters about medical marijuana

The supporters and opponents of medical marijuana both posted their first TV ads Monday, just in time for Floridians to receive the first wave of absentee ballots in the mail.
The clash is one that has played out in 23 other states plus Washington, D.C., with medical-marijuana supporters playing up the benefits of cannabis in treating cancer or MS — while opponents target older, more conservative voters with a message about crime.
“They don’t call it the Drug-Dealer Protection Act. But they should,” says the opposition ad from Drug Free Florida Committee, which focuses on a provision in the proposed constitutional amendment that allows caregivers to handle marijuana.

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The supporters, People United for Medical Marijuana, concentrate on the broad outlines and promise of the amendment: Getting people the care they need without the intrusion of government.
“Twenty-three states now keep government and politicians out of the doctor-patient relationship. And it's worked,” says the ad.
Drug Free appears to be spending the most early: $1.6 million, with the likelihood of millions more to come — especially from Las Vegas gambling magnate and Republican donor Sheldon Adelson.

People United for Medical Marijuana hasn't disclosed how much it’s spending. Its chairman, Democratic donor and Orlando trial lawyer John Morgan, have promised to do what it takes to get their message out.
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A constitutional amendment needs 60 percent of the vote to pass. The polling average of the last major public surveys pegs Florida voter support at about 64 percent.
Drug Free is concentrating on conservatives because if Republican support falls to about 40-42 percent, the amendment will likely fail even if independent and Democratic support remains in or around the 70 percent range.
Over the months, Republican support for the amendment appears to be dropping. But Democratic and independent support appears to be increasing. As a result, polls from the conservative-leaning business group, Associated Industries of Florida, show the amendment’s support has remained at 64 percent for months. People United’s polling showed the amendment's support has remained relatively constant as well, at 69 percent this month and 70 percent in June.

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Smelly_Cheese · Oct 4, 2014

The commercial against amend 2 is on day and night. It is really stupid. They describe caregivers as drug dealers that can't be prosecuted. They are spewing the same old scare tatics. Unfortunately I had to go online to see the pro 2 commercial

dddaver · Oct 4, 2014

I don't think the vote will go along party liNes (lies, Freudian slip, bwahahaha) at all. And:

Wallace: Ranks of Florida independents swell to 3 million

<small>By Jeremy Wallace , Herald-Tribune </small>
<small> / Saturday, September 20, 2014 </small>

With little fanfare, Florida voters hit a milestone this summer that only injects more uncertainty into the state’s elections.
This summer Florida officially topped 3 million registered voters who are not identified with either of the two major political parties.Not only does it suggest Florida has more independent-minded voters than ever, but it is also the exclamation point on a strong trend over the last 10 years.
Since 2004, the number of registered voters in Florida has grown from 10.5 million to 11.9 million. But that increase is made up almost entirely of voters registered with no party or with one of the state’s smaller political parties. Of the 1.4 million new voters, 900,000 picked neither the Republicans or Democrats.

And: Among Florida’s 11,446,540 registered voters: 40% Democrats. 36% Republicans. 20% No Party Affiliation
So it's still pretty much a crap-shoot when trying to guess the outcome by party affiliations. This issue does not seem as subject to such opposing political sides as some issues are anyway. But I agree, 60% sure is a big number. Just have to wait and see I guess. I sure hope the yeas skunk the nays by a lot.

BTW, I hope nobody is buying any of the propaganda bullshit Drug Free is saying about losing even if there is 70% Democratic and Independant support then they only need 40% Republican support?...What trash. Typical propaganda bullshit. They are really just saying, "Why vote for it? It will lose anyway." NOT TRUE. A blatant lie. There is just no way they could possibly know that. Same old song and dance.

RetroGrow · Oct 4, 2014

Haven't seen a single commercial yet....strange...But we know that the other side are liars, racists, and representing big pharma, the biggest drug dealers in the world, aside from the alcohol producers. The same old motives: squash the "competition" using any means necessary. Push the dangerous drugs, prohibit the healing, non-lethal herbs that people need for medicine. It's "Reefer Madness" all over again. Only the most obtuse individuals would fall for their lies. Unfortunately, Florida has no shortage of idiots.

Jhhnn · Oct 4, 2014

RetroGrow said:
Haven't seen a single commercial yet....strange...But we know that the other side are liars, racists, and representing big pharma, the biggest drug dealers in the world, aside from the alcohol producers. The same old motives: squash the "competition" using any means necessary. Push the dangerous drugs, prohibit the healing, non-lethal herbs that people need for medicine. It's "Reefer Madness" all over again. Only the most obtuse individuals would fall for their lies. Unfortunately, Florida has no shortage of idiots.

I think they mostly support the prison-industrial complex & the notion that anybody having anything to do with the devil's weed is an evildoer who needs to be punished.

That, & more than a few just found their own angle on how to get paid over the marijuana "controversy", milking funds from big money right wingers & well meaning but desperately misinformed citizens.

They may turn back some initiatives, but they're pissin' into the wind. The Obama Admin saw to that when they treated legalization the same way their predecessors treated mmj, only better.

Legalize dope dealers? We did! Works great, too.

dddaver · Oct 6, 2014

Drug Free America (really stupid name, that's simply impossible in America) says, "Just remember, vote no on Amd 2. It lets the drug dealers become legalized and calls them caregivers."

But ...isn't that what the drug manufacturers and pill pushing doctors already are? So their point is kinda dumb. The truth is it just bites into the drug makers monopoly.

"Oh god, think of the kids"...YUP. And that is exactly why this needs to pass.

stihgnobevoli · Oct 6, 2014

i don't watch tv. i only saw part of the no on #2 commercial one day while walking by a TV somewhere. i was pretty high and i thought i stepped into the wayback machine. i loled so hard.

dddaver · Oct 7, 2014

There is a link to it in the first post if you want to watch it.

iBogart · Oct 7, 2014

I see the vote no on 2 commercial everyday, and every time I see it, I say what? Their only beef is the wording of the ballot, that the amendment doesn't state the need for back ground checks for caregivers. That's it. No other issues with the amendment.

Cities in my county are anticipating that amendment 2 will pass and are already drafting city ordinances for mmj. Naples FL. city council is looking to ban all mmj activities with major influence from local hospitals supporting the ban. What a surprise right?

It's gonna get ugly down here.

Catatafish · Oct 7, 2014

Everyday here too, sometimes a couple times a day.

I love the part about they can give it to kids without prosecution.

Tudo · Oct 7, 2014

iBogart said:
I see the vote no on 2 commercial everyday, and every time I see it, I say what? Their only beef is the wording of the ballot, that the amendment doesn't state the need for back ground checks for caregivers. That's it. No other issues with the amendment.

Cities in my county are anticipating that amendment 2 will pass and are already drafting city ordinances for mmj. Naples FL. city council is looking to ban all mmj activities with major influence from local hospitals supporting the ban. What a surprise right?

It's gonna get ugly down here.

From a standpoint of laws against humanity for cannabis it already is ugly in Fla

SoSour · Oct 7, 2014

This law is bullshit! The florida legislature is going to hand the bud industry in florida to rich fucks and take it away from the thousands of people who supplement their income. It's not like the cali or Colorado law where a regular entrepreneur can get involved. This law is the millionaires boys club to make more millions, period. Fuck amendment 2

Grizzley · Oct 7, 2014

Florida has a lot of early retired middle class and rich white men that retired there after they made their money up north, I'm surprised any bill has a chance, but yeah if it does and it benefits the rich then big surprise.

stihgnobevoli · Oct 7, 2014

SoSour said:
This law is bullshit! The florida legislature is going to hand the bud industry in florida to rich fucks and take it away from the thousands of people who supplement their income. It's not like the cali or Colorado law where a regular entrepreneur can get involved. This law is the millionaires boys club to make more millions, period. Fuck amendment 2

how do you figure that? the amendment 2 doesn't even specify anything specific. it basically says.

"Should doctors be allowed to prescribe weed to sick people. Yes or No. "

that other shit about caregivers and growing facilities being a farm is CHARLOTTES WEB.

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/20...619_1_cannabis-oil-charlotte-figi-medical-use

^^^ charlottes web

Amendment #2

http://ballotpedia.org/Florida_Right_to_Medical_Marijuana_Initiative,_Amendment_2_(2014)

^^^^ do you see ANYTHING IN THERE about growing? no becuase it wasn't specified SPECIFICALLY SO THAT YOU CAN GROW YOUR OWN.

"all rights not explicitly given to the * are deferred back to the *"

in the constitution the first asterisk is the US govt, the second is the states. but you can replace those 2 with any other 2 levels of governing one above another.

whatever is not specifically outlined as being out of the picture is up to discretion. understand how these sneaky backhanded lawyers and tricksters work now?

so stop all your bitching about not being able to grow and make money. because there's nothing in there about it. unless you plan on growing charlottes web.

besides who gives a fuck, there's millions of people out there, surely you can sell locally and don't need to be running a huge operation making billions of dollars do you?

are you in it for freedom from these unjust laws or are you only in it for lining your pockets?

igrowone · Oct 8, 2014

^^^ have seen another post where a guy consulted his attorney on growing if prop 2 passes
said it's going effectively allow home growing for personal use(with card of course)
imagine that one could get wild, love to see it happen
and the small cash croppers will stick around, and risk won't be any worse

iBogart · Oct 8, 2014

Amendment #2

http://ballotpedia.org/Florida_Right_to_Medical_Marijuana_Initiative,_Amendment_2_(2014)

^^^^ do you see ANYTHING IN THERE about growing? no becuase it wasn't specified SPECIFICALLY SO THAT YOU CAN GROW YOUR OWN.

"all rights not explicitly given to the * are deferred back to the *"
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I don't know about that man. It say's all rules and regulations will be the responsibility of the Florida Dept. of Health. If you have ideas that you're gonna be able to grow your own meds IF amendment 2 passes then you may be in for a rude awakening from LEO.

I see a few large operations growing meds with big money up front to pay for a license. The Florida Dept. of Health might use the Charlotte's Web bill as a model for their growing operations. I guess we'll have to wait and see...

SoSour · Oct 8, 2014

stihgnobevoli said:
how do you figure that? the amendment 2 doesn't even specify anything specific. it basically says.

"Should doctors be allowed to prescribe weed to sick people. Yes or No. "

that other shit about caregivers and growing facilities being a farm is CHARLOTTES WEB.

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/20...619_1_cannabis-oil-charlotte-figi-medical-use

^^^ charlottes web

Amendment #2

http://ballotpedia.org/Florida_Right_to_Medical_Marijuana_Initiative,_Amendment_2_(2014)

^^^^ do you see ANYTHING IN THERE about growing? no becuase it wasn't specified SPECIFICALLY SO THAT YOU CAN GROW YOUR OWN.

"all rights not explicitly given to the * are deferred back to the *"

in the constitution the first asterisk is the US govt, the second is the states. but you can replace those 2 with any other 2 levels of governing one above another.

whatever is not specifically outlined as being out of the picture is up to discretion. understand how these sneaky backhanded lawyers and tricksters work now?

so stop all your bitching about not being able to grow and make money. because there's nothing in there about it. unless you plan on growing charlottes web.

besides who gives a fuck, there's millions of people out there, surely you can sell locally and don't need to be running a huge operation making billions of dollars do you?

are you in it for freedom from these unjust laws or are you only in it for lining your pockets?

Let me say it again, you will NOT NOT NOT NEVER NONE ZIP ZILCH be allowed to legally grow your own, period point blank. This is a no-grow amendment. Whatever lawyer told someone that should be used for malpractice after his client is arrested.

I am 100% about freedom! freedom to smoke and fair market economics. THis has nothing to do with lining my pockets. I have a six-figure job and don't need to make a penny off of marijuana to live comfortably.

This is about squeezing out the little man who depends on selling a few ounces a week to take a family vacation once a year, or make up the difference for rent or mortgage payment.

You will need to put up at leas a 1,000,000 dollar bond to obtain a license. The license fees will be in the 6-figures.

This amendment is creating an industry for the rich to get richer, sink more money into their high interest yielding money market accounts, while the thousands and thousands of people who make $30-50k per year who sell weed and immediately put that money back into the stream of commerce are fucked.

I'm all for medical weed, but make it competitive and allow a lower bar of entry. Don't make the licensure fees so exorbitant that only the rich get to play.

NO on Amendment 2. Fuck the florida legislature and SHAME on you guys for not seeing this for exactly what it is.

SoSour · Oct 8, 2014

I wish you guys could open your eyes and see what this is. Make it a level playing field and get it passed. What exactly is that $150,000 per license paying for? make it $10k with yearly dues and give everyone a chance to be competitive.

I will never support creating monopolies for the rich. Fuck this amendment.

dddaver · Oct 8, 2014

NO, the shame is on YOU. If money is your only focus, as it seems to be, FUCK YOU.

You are ignoring that this is the freaking deep south. This Amd is one small step in the right direction. It is only the first in many steps. To even try to label this is as the be all and end all to all medical marijuana in FL and how it's going to just ruin it here is just stupid. Like usual, it's the sick and indigent that are being brushed aside jerk.

Now go count your fucking 6 figures and STFU. Just maybe you should try and open your eyes while you are doing that.

toasted1 · Oct 8, 2014

to vote no is just plain stupid if ur scared to grow under the new law u shouldnt b n the game in the first place .. this law wont help me much but fuck if it dont give me a better chance n court if im caught growing no where in the bill does it say home cultivation is illegal..it says i can posses marijuana and last time i checked my plants where marijuana :chin:

it doesnt say i can only posses there marijuana it just says marijuana and i dont c how a prosecutor can convince a jury the definition is otherwise

besides all that how the fuk can it harm u if it passes it cant get any worse than it is now.. or r u 1 ov those scared ppl who wont grow till they have gov approval ? or is ur product sub par? :comfort:

cuz i know it wont effect my profits or grow at all. im positive i can put out a better product than them and know my clientele will stay loyal

vote yes !!!!!!! all this bill can do is help change the perspective of ppl down here have of it for the better and help the ppl who need it with no connects but dont want to risk arrest or worse to find it

or u can vote no and give the opposition ammo against any future bills like they did when cali voted no on 19 " see the ppl dont want legal marijuana so stop trying "

stay safe
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