Triacontanol Products

[Apache Kush]

thought fox tails were good

main colas are big and sexy more bag appeal for your bud right?

not seing the downside here...

I always belived that big colas are a good trait... prove me wroung please

 

[Mikell]

I've only had it happen once, from TopShooter, and found it, and the delayed harvest, unappealing. But that's just me, there are a few nice pics in the foxtail thread

 

[milkyjoe]

For the week you're using liquid Kool bloom I'd play it safe and cut out the triacontanol. The reason being that liquid Kool bloom probably also contains pgrs in addition to high pk. Probably also why they say "start with liquid kb, finish with dry" because the dry product doesn't have pgrs.

Got any proof of that at all? Even any logical reasoning behind it? Any reason to believe high pk has anything to do with yield? Or perhaps high p blocks micros which are the mineral backbone of the enzymes that drive essential fat production.

Ever wonder how some of these things got started...I do.

 

[stevewinthrop]

Nope, no proof, the liquid koolbloom recipe is secret, I just know it has high pk, the powdered one too. But I'm beginning to see that a lot of products that are considered boosters are not just a blend of potassium and phosphorus. I think it's probable that most "boost" products also contain pgrs. Maybe not all of them contain triacontanol, but auxins or kinetins

 

[BigBozat]

Sorry if this seems excessively regurgitative... I just have trouble wrapping my easily distracted brain around things... tell me to stop if it's annoying (and apologies if this constitutes unwelcome thread hijacking)...


So, re-recapping again (and throwing in another I ran across elsewhere):

• Alfalfa meal
• Maxicrop Liquid Seaweed
• AN's Nirvana
• Atami's Bloombastic
• GreenPlanet's Massive Bloom
• GrowMore Jump Start
• MBferts Hormone-Vitamin Booster
• Sunjay 2in1 liquid Tria & Bio Seaweed Extract
• BioGard Agrinomics' Calcium-25
• CANNA Boost
• Bloom Advanced Floriculture's Bloom Oooze & Final

As well as [perhaps? ] these (clarification/cites/confirming evidence needed):

• Vitamin Institute's SuperThrive (?)
• General Hydro's Liquid KoolBloom (?)
• Home & Garden's TopShooter (?)

Next!
(Also, any insights as to efficacy, relative concentrations and/or price/value, problemmatic adjuvants/emulsifiers/solvents, etc. prolly s/b summarized too...

... poll anyone?
... maybe I'll put 'em all into a spreadsheet at the end of this for easy side-by-side comparison?)

 

[EclipseFour20]

I use Jumpstart in both Veg and early Flower and I like the results. IMHO, it is one of the most affordable options on the list.
Root feed (soil) 5 ml/gallon
Foliar feed 1.25 ml/gallon

I also use Canna Boost (foliar only) at 5-10 ml/gallon rate in Flower--and I believe Jumpstart is a good replacement for root feeding with Boost, as Boost can be mucho expensive at 10-15ml/gallon rate....plus I can use Jumpstart in Veg, something that is not advisable with Canna Boost (Flower only).

 

[Mikell]

Keep it up BigBozat, looks like the start of a fine list of products. A good spreadsheet is worth it's weight, there are a shietload of products of varying concentration/price/effectiveness, and it would serve well to have a place for easy comparison/discussion.

 

[BigBozat]

Keep it up BigBozat, looks like the start of a fine list of products. A good spreadsheet is worth it's weight, there are a shietload of products of varying concentration/price/effectiveness, and it would serve well to have a place for easy comparison/discussion.

T'anks... perhaps it'll become the central element of chapt 12 of my unofficial icforums adv grower's guide, lmao

 

[BigBozat]

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The question I have deals with the solubility of tria in water...it isn't. You can make an alfafa tea and the tria does not get into the water. That means one must use a non polar solvent or a strong emulsifier like polysorb...these are the chemicals one may not want. For example if you look up the patent for Ca 25 they use acetone or methyl ethyl ketone to extract the tria...

Wondering:
Use citrus terpenes as the solvent?

[IDK if, eg, d-limonene or a-pinene, etc are polar or non-polar? But, since we're already smokin' terpenes , using it in a grow to create a tria foliar presumably wouldn't be anymore of a health concern risk than already exists w/ terpenes in canabis to begin with?]

 

[BigBozat]

Keep it up BigBozat, looks like the start of a fine list of products. A good spreadsheet is worth it's weight, there are a shietload of products of varying concentration/price/effectiveness, and it would serve well to have a place for easy comparison/discussion.

Wuz thinking the same thing... maybe turn this thread into a sticky (might have to move) when all said & done?

 

[IndoGorilla]

Wondering:
Use citrus terpenes as the solvent?

[IDK if, eg, d-limonene or a-pinene, etc are polar or non-polar? But, since we're already smokin' terpenes , using it in a grow to create a tria foliar presumably wouldn't be anymore of a health concern risk than already exists w/ terpenes in canabis to begin with?]

I believe the gentleman Horatio Delbert has been making Limonene Hash Oil LHO for some time. Cheers!

As far as I know I heard it generally tests very low ppm, much more pure than most BHO.

 

[LSWM]

In the past I have asssumed Floralicious Plus had tria in it. I don't know for sure, but I have noticed foxtailing if I use it too late into flower.

According to the Oregon fert database it lists Humic acid, Sea Kelp, IBA, NAA, Polyacrylamide, and Vitamin B1.

Source: http://oda.state.or.us/dbs/heavy_metal/detail.lasso?-op=eq&product_id=7400

So the foxtailing may have just been due to sea kelp, or the IBA or NAA, or I'm just imagining it. I've never used it as a foliar.

 

[IndoGorilla]

When is the latest in flower we should be using tria products?? At what stages specifically?

As stated before, I am a new grower on his 2nd grow, and my first grow I followed the directions on the bottle(green planet massive) using it through all of flowering at recommended dose except during the flush, thus experiencing some crowning/foxtailing.

 

[Hottish]

Try harder

Try harder

When is the latest in flower we should be using tria products?? At what stages specifically?

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Try harder

Read as far as post # 37

 

[BigBozat]

In the past I have asssumed Floralicious Plus had tria in it. I don't know for sure, but I have noticed foxtailing if I use it too late into flower.

According to the Oregon fert database it lists Humic acid, Sea Kelp, IBA, NAA, Polyacrylamide, and Vitamin B1.

Source: http://oda.state.or.us/dbs/heavy_metal/detail.lasso?-op=eq&product_id=7400

So the foxtailing may have just been due to sea kelp, or the IBA or NAA, or I'm just imagining it. I've never used it as a foliar.

FWIW, AFAIK kelp/seaweed generally doesn't contain tria... but it does have lots of cytokinins... ergo, your foxtailing would have to be due to the ratio of auxins (IBA, NAA) -to-cytokinins... when cytokinins > auxins, induces shoot formation...

 

[LSWM]

FWIW, AFAIK kelp/seaweed generally doesn't contain tria... but it does have lots of cytokinins... ergo, your foxtailing would have to be due to the ratio of auxins (IBA, NAA) -to-cytokinins... when cytokinins > auxins, induces shoot formation...

Well I just am about to finish two trays without using it once. And another 4 trays where I am using it consistently. I'm at about week 4 and only have used it in the reservoir. Never as foliar.

A few questions... sorry if they are rudimentary.

Would tria be recommended concurrently or alternatively?
Or alternate one and the other?
Does the opposite ratio have an effect?
What week would you recommend dropping such a ratio and the same for tria?

 

[Siever]

Would tria be recommended concurrently or alternatively?
Or alternate one and the other?
Does the opposite ratio have an effect?
What week would you recommend dropping such a ratio and the same for tria?

concurrently.
Different hormones regulate different processes. Think about testosteron and Human growth hormone. They have very different purposes, but both are hormones.

Siever

 

[BigBozat]

Well I just am about to finish two trays without using it once. And another 4 trays where I am using it consistently. I'm at about week 4 and only have used it in the reservoir. Never as foliar.

A few questions... sorry if they are rudimentary.

Would tria be recommended concurrently or alternatively?
Or alternate one and the other?
Does the opposite ratio have an effect?
What week would you recommend dropping such a ratio and the same for tria?

:
what he said in re: concurrently & diverse nature/roles of diff phytohormones...

Yes, the opposite ratio - auxins > cytokinins - induces root formation/growth instead... and, when auxins = cytokinins, it forms an undifferentiated callus in tissue culturing (so I'm told, I don't do it)

As storm shadow said was back @ #37, tria is best used in veg and first couple weeks of flowering

As for schedule for modifying application rates of auxins vs cytokinins, a detailed response might require the adv grow thread (shaggyballs, verdant green, only ornamental, father earth & others)... don't wanna

 

[BigBozat]

:
what he said in re: concurrently & diverse nature/roles of diff phytohormones...

Yes, the opposite ratio - auxins > cytokinins - induces root formation/growth instead... and, when auxins = cytokinins, it forms an undifferentiated callus in tissue culturing (so I'm told, I don't do it)

As storm shadow said was back @ #37, tria is best used in veg and first couple weeks of flowering

As for schedule for modifying application rates of auxins vs cytokinins, a detailed response might require the adv grow thread (shaggyballs, verdant green, only ornamental, father earth & others)... don't wanna

Not product-specific, but fwiw:
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/17429145.2011.619281

 

[Sylvester1]

So, re-recapping again (and throwing in another I ran across elsewhere):

• Alfalfa meal
• Maxicrop Liquid Seaweed
• AN's Nirvana
• Atami's Bloombastic
• GreenPlanet's Massive Bloom
• GrowMore Jump Start
• MBferts Hormone-Vitamin Booster
• Sunjay 2in1 liquid Tria & Bio Seaweed Extract
• BioGard Agrinomics' Calcium-25
• CANNA Boost
• Bloom Advanced Floriculture's Bloom Oooze & Final

As well as [perhaps? ] these (clarification/cites/confirming evidence needed):

• Vitamin Institute's SuperThrive (?)
• General Hydro's Liquid KoolBloom (?)
• Home & Garden's TopShooter (?)

Our lab has run a variety of products on gas chromatograph, and many of these label claims are simply not true. Alfalfa certainly has triacontanol in it. The samples of Boost we ran were positive for triacontanol as well.