First At-Home Live Plant Resin Extraction

[JointOperation]

im not saying that they shouldn't be removed of fans and of non crystally leaf material...
but.. when I trim my bud for sale. I still trim off stuff that has crystals off.. basically theres no reason to remove nearly as much .. I guess you could call it BHO TRIMMED . because when u run full plants.. and trim everything off like u would for buds.. then u have a trim run? why bother when u can do a full run and get a better yield and tastier product then having 1 tasty run. and 1 trim run?

a lot of people that I know who do full nug runs.. of shit they grow.. they trim it completely different . then when they are trimming to sell the bud..

might be a REASON why some are hitting 25% on nug runs.. and others aren't?

 

[Gray Wolf]

Agreed jump. However, I'll leave it to you to start using it first. I don't think I could handle the embarrassment of misusing another term here. I don't deal well with being teased. From now on I wait for Jump or GW before I open my big mouth.

I continue to learn new meanings for English words from Jump! Up to this point, I related Balsam to the gliders I built as a puppy.

 

[Gray Wolf]

Hmm, the fact they are sublimating implies that they aren't entirely miscible in the solvent. But they're np --- such as the solvent.

It's easier to accept if the solvent were predominantly H2O or some other much more "polar" solution.

This really is interesting.

GW, would you expect this process to yield a less potent product?

I just made the assumption that THC-A wasn't fully decarb'd in the dab process --- again difficult for me to believe that there is much activated stuff in this form.

More than likely I'm missing something --- I do that a lot sometimes.

The reason that a lid of skunk stinks up a whole room, even double bagged, is that the monoterpenes molecules are escaping and floating about in the room to collide with our nose buds.

They are breaking free far below their boiling points and what I'm referring to as sublimating away without ever boiling or noticeably changing state.

 

[Gray Wolf]

im not saying that they shouldn't be removed of fans and of non crystally leaf material...
but.. when I trim my bud for sale. I still trim off stuff that has crystals off.. basically theres no reason to remove nearly as much .. I guess you could call it BHO TRIMMED . because when u run full plants.. and trim everything off like u would for buds.. then u have a trim run? why bother when u can do a full run and get a better yield and tastier product then having 1 tasty run. and 1 trim run?

a lot of people that I know who do full nug runs.. of shit they grow.. they trim it completely different . then when they are trimming to sell the bud..

might be a REASON why some are hitting 25% on nug runs.. and others aren't?

Unless we are going for bragging rights, we pull off the fan leaves and harvest the rest together.

The highest yield extraction that I've ever made was 28.1% Absolute after winterization, but it was made from a patients supplied prime bud, that was magnificently manicured.

 

[Gray Wolf]

any idea if we an use a glass tube.. to blow fresh frozen or ? just do a thermos? ..

and ive heard hexane makes a decent oil.. but all the stuff ive made from it sucked..

I think ill try some fresh frozen.. with the hexane soak too.

Hexane makes pristine oil, but is harder to purge below sensory threshold of 22 to 130 ppm, so as to lot have a lingering gasoline essence.

Your liver can also turn residual n-Hexane into 2.5 Hexanedione, which is a carcinogen.

Pentane will also work, is easier to purge, and doesn't get converted to 2.5 Hexanedione.

We use Hexane, but vacuum purge and wash multiple times in ethanol.

PS: I've extracted fresh frozen in both tubes and thermos, as well as in CLS. They all work, but the thermos is probably the easiest to control all the parameters with and you can find used stainless thermoses at Goodwill dirt cheap. I've picked them up from $4.99 to $14.99.

 

[JointOperation]

graywolf.. the info you put out is great.. thanks for everything.. I probably would still be using a griddle.. a torch. to purge .. lol.. destroying the terpene profile.. and turning my oil into a DARK SLAB of shatter taffy stuff lol..

u my friend.. should be given an AWARD from each cup.. for the most useful information of the year AWARD lol..

also.. ya I was under the impression.. that there is no real reason to fully trim.. I been mixing my trim runs of bho with some nug run. to obtain more flavor .. so for production purposes.. theres no reason to trim.. besides fan leaves and other non resin shit.. unless u wana be bragging..

but what I don't get is.. when I do a trim run.. that's been separated properly.. tubes frozen.. butane chilled.. and then ran.. it comes out the exact same material.. just with less smell.. so.. why would it really matter?

do u think all these dudes running cls running pounds upon pounds of nug runs.. are paying or wasting time FULLY TRIMMING Like you would for sale? no..

lol. it was just a question

 

[Gray Wolf]

graywolf.. the info you put out is great.. thanks for everything.. I probably would still be using a griddle.. a torch. to purge .. lol.. destroying the terpene profile.. and turning my oil into a DARK SLAB of shatter taffy stuff lol..

u my friend.. should be given an AWARD from each cup.. for the most useful information of the year AWARD lol..

also.. ya I was under the impression.. that there is no real reason to fully trim.. I been mixing my trim runs of bho with some nug run. to obtain more flavor .. so for production purposes.. theres no reason to trim.. besides fan leaves and other non resin shit.. unless u wana be bragging..

but what I don't get is.. when I do a trim run.. that's been separated properly.. tubes frozen.. butane chilled.. and then ran.. it comes out the exact same material.. just with less smell.. so.. why would it really matter?

do u think all these dudes running cls running pounds upon pounds of nug runs.. are paying or wasting time FULLY TRIMMING Like you would for sale? no..

lol. it was just a question

Most people that I know trimming, so so to sell the nugs and extract their oil from the sugar leaf. They do so because the nugs are worth enough to make the margin on the oil from them unattractive.

We just make oil for high dosage patients, and do so for free, so there are no market considerations. We also winterize the oil, before formulating into potions.

Given no market considerations, you pick up less plant wax from flowers than leaves, and they are higher in terpenes.

The oil from trim tends to be be less aromatic and trend toward higher wax content.

Trim still produces much of the pristine oil about, which as a matter of record is keen stuff, but when I say bragging rights, I am talking about what it takes to wow a test panel, not what I personally savor day to day.

Wowing a panel involves engaging all of their senses to the maximum, sooo I stack the deck in my favor, by offering only the creme ala creme. Like any honorable wolf, I firmly believe that anytime you find yourself in a fair fight, you have planned poorly.

I might note that while I still make concentrates for my own consumption, as time moves on, the highest percent of the shatter and waxes I'm growing to enjoy, are actually gifted to me by students, clients, and friends. Visitors often bring samples, in addition to sharing my collection of samples, and techniques get compared.

Some wonderful stuff starting to appear, so I'm liking the arrangement better than just dabbing whut ah brung! Hee, hee, hee........................

 

[Daub Marley]

I want to freeze my material so I can get the most terpenes from it, but could I use a regular freezer for my material? Will the moisture break cell walls and cause it to turn into mush like frozen strawberries?
How long can I wait before freezing? Do I have to worry about grassy geranium like smells after a couple of days or is okay to freeze at any point in the drying process?

 

[Gray Wolf]

I want to freeze my material so I can get the most terpenes from it, but could I use a regular freezer for my material? Will the moisture break cell walls and cause it to turn into mush like frozen strawberries?
How long can I wait before freezing? Do I have to worry about grassy geranium like smells after a couple of days or is okay to freeze at any point in the drying process?

For fresh frozen, I scissor cut the buds into 3/8"-1/2" pieces, so as not to bruise it by tearing, and pack it into the thermos or column before freezing.

That will exclude most of the atmospheric humidity, and keep it from forming ice over the trichomes.

We place the packed material in a -4F chest freezer, and never let it thaw again until we are through with it. We use subzero butane for the extraction, so as to keep it in a frozen state.

Cell walls are ruptured by freezing, and when it thaws, as you note, the material left behind is limp and mushy.

 

[NEGT1]

For fresh frozen, I scissor cut the buds into 3/8"-1/2" pieces, so as not to bruise it by tearing, and pack it into the thermos or column before freezing.

That will exclude most of the atmospheric humidity, and keep it from forming ice over the trichomes.

We place the packed material in a -4F chest freezer, and never let it thaw again until we are through with it. We use subzero butane for the extraction, so as to keep it in a frozen state.

Cell walls are ruptured by freezing, and when it thaws, as you note, the material left behind is limp and mushy.

We pretty much do the same things, well, I can't run closed...not sure if you do.

Keeping the material and butane below 0 allows you pack the material tight, as if it were dry. This might help bring up the pressure and extract everything while the low temps help keep lipids and waxes behind.

So i'm kind of shooting for high pressure low temp....whether it's dry or fresh, and also keeping it subzero. Yes most normal freeze's shoudl do this if they are turned to the lowest setting.

 

[HashoftheTitans]

When running open I can't explain how much dry ice has helped my process. I have found that mixing a bit of dry ice into your thermos filled with butane, creating a slurry, helps keep things cold and moving so you don't have oil freezing to the sides of your container but allows the waxes to separate from the solution and be caught by the filter. I have gotten extractions too cold and frozen out a bit of oil. However, when I'm losing a max of 2 grams out of 40 to over-freezing in making my "dab" quality material, but when I reclaim it in winterizing what I have frozen out and using it as edible grade material, I don't see it as a loss. I don't winterize most of what is being sold for dabbing because I have had enough success in using dry ice over an extended period of time and filtering multiple times that I have found that most "dabbers" prefer my de-waxed product over the winterized, mostly having to do with the amount of terpenes retained and the lack of the harshness that you find in a lot of other waxier products. Also, when doing the dry ice slurry, there is no need to break up buds as they freeze and get so brittle that the agitation of the out-gassing of the dry ice actually slowly breaks the buds up to the point of the individual calyxes being knocked off of the stem and floating to the top of the solution after they have been rid of most of their resin.

 

[SkyHighLer]

I'm not a believer in live resin, but you guys are making an impact on the market place:

"Moxie Lemon Lotus $50 .5g Live Resin"

Scroll down the page to Concentrates, and then place your cursor over the item,

https://weedmaps.com/dispensaries/california/hemet/naturally-higher?c=search

That's my local dispensary, open 24 hours a day, seven days a week... nice nuggs at reasonable prices, and the best shatters at screaming high prices...

 

[JointOperation]

price is excessive.. way to high .. no1 around here will pay more then 100 a gram.. but only in rare occasions.. most of the stuff in this area.. trim runs with some nug for taste goes for 50-60.. and straight nug runs. go for 60-80. and if ur going for something to BRAG about.. then 100 a gram..

but most people around here.. couldnt tell u the difference between live and not.. they will bitch about consistency of the live.. and think that the price is wayyy over priced and not touch it .

 

[mda]

i'm usually one to stay away from hyped up products.. but I got some live resin purple princess from OCx today in Sacramento, Purple Princess strain. I have to say that it is honestly the most flavorful shatter I've ever had, and at 70$ a gram it definitely blows away WCC's bhombline that they charge 120/gram for lol