$5,000 Watt for Watt Challenge

[thatonedude]

like I said befor (here or somewhere else) when LED's become affordable, I will give hem a go. for now the hps is doing me right

 

[thatonedude]

i believe the technology is there it just cant be mass produced at a reasonable price, either that or the LED manufactures are price gouging/perhaps a little of both

 

[Snook]

i believe the technology is there it just cant be mass produced at a reasonable price, either that or the LED manufactures are price gouging/perhaps a little of both

imagine how much demand there must be for LEDs in places like Las Vegas or Miami or NYC or any big city.. just for signs/advertising/stop lights, RXR crossings, emergency vehicles...... and then there is the "gLOBAL warming" phenomenon and 'clean energy'...

 

[thatonedude]

if there is that much demand then the pricers should be coming down. wich they are, slowly

when I can get a unit that cost 1grand now for 500 or less I might buy some

 

[thatonedude]

im waiting for a wave of people here wanting to use salvaged LED fixtures to grow herb. then the prices will really come down

 

[thatonedude]

there are some 10,000 kelvin leds at work I would love to have. when I asked my maintinence man how much they cost I almost died.

4 grand for a 12 led stip that is 12 inches long

 

[thatonedude]

they are coming, just wait. I figure in 5 years you can buy a 1000 watt real usage fixture for 500 dollars

 

[Snook]

there are some 10,000 kelvin leds at work I would love to have. when I asked my maintinence man how much they cost I almost died.

4 grand for a 12 led stip that is 12 inches long

they'll never miss it. its only a foot long.

 

[Cartel530]

Arizona State are conducting experiments with different types of lights and are actually affiliated with a huge state of the art grow room. They are using these crystal diodes from japan. They have stated that if you just run LED you will be disappointed. You can look on instagram for the user @milley_vanilly who runs the operation associated with the cookie family. LED's are already being proven by scientists and they are already developing a better lighting system why would we shell out this much cash just to have something better come along.. Ill wait for the crystal diode before i pay for some overpriced LED.

 

[Dr.Young]

Anyone have pics of results?

 

[keebo3000]

I witnessed thrillspan`s grow and I`ve gotta say I was impressed , but it was far from optimal with plant placement around the lights at a minimum , but with MUCH room for improvement , so I`m not gonna discount the claims by OP that LED`s as good as conventional HID lighting.....but....double ?.....

Thrillspan`s 6 light fixtures came at a cost of $ 12500 , and even with those new fangled gavita`s and epap double ended bulb fixtures , there`s no way ANYONE I know that grows dope , does it well , AND for a living as a viable business in medville and ESPECIALLY elsewhere in a NON-MED state is going to spend 4 times the amount of cash on LED`s JUST to see IF they`re comparable.....now....

Come on back Hydrogrow and let`s talk apples to apples instead oranges , cuz 4 times the cost for LED`s with a 90 day warranty`s a joke at best IMHO....

Whadda ya`ll think....ain`t rocket science , and before you look at my post count after deleting accounts and reinstating 5 times over a decade , plus absolutely no evidence of any plant I`ve ever grown here on this site , I assure you I`m 1 of the most knowledgeable and experienced growers on this site that never pulled below 1.2 gpw`s with bare bulbs in my 20 yrs of indoor cropping......in a non med state I might add as well.....so....

5 grand ain`t shit to entice me , or anyone else I know that does this shit as a viable business model to "advertise" your shit.....If you wanna sell said outrageously expensive light fixtures to anyone here on this or any other weedsite , .......

I`d say the fastest way is not to make bullshit claims about said light fixtures producing DOUBLE the amount of yield conventional HID lighting will , AND offering a 90 day warranty on products that other manufacturers give limited lifetime warranties on , plus.....

Putting SOMEBODY here with a side by side that`s easily documented with all things being equal , and show us first hand double the results from your product from say gavita double ended fixtures.....bet you won`t do it....

My regular pull from 3 stacked 600`s in 6x6 interior dimension rooms for the last 5 yrs I grew was 2 lbs per 600 watts , AND as we speak there`s a member here "Third Coast" that`s just now dialing in his new gavita`s and his latest pull from a 4x4 table with 1KW gavita above that had to be dimmed and dialed down to 600 watts to prevent light bleaching and heat scorching from the intensity of the new fixtures was ALSO 2 lbs per 600 with MUCH room for improvement....so...as stated above.....

5 grand might be a decent amount of chump change to a buncha stoners , but it don`t mean dick to the ONLY people here that have the kinda cash it would take JUST to purchase your shit , and THEN dial the returns cuz I guarantee a considerable learning curve in the difference in nutrient and environment needs from HID to LED.....regardless....

Good luck with your product line....I thought they were well built AND did a good job with thrillspan`s setup , but re-couping $12500 from a 6 light grow seems ignorant when it can be done for 1/4 th the initial cash outlay...that is...

To all the growers I know that in fact do produce the gpw`s on a consistent and continuous basis.....but that`s just me.....and hey....

I WELCOME a replacement that`s cost effective for growin dope , it`s evidently yrs away before anything comparable will be affordable enough for Joe Q Stoner to place an order for his hidden closet setup , or grow tents....anyways....

My 2 cents from all those yrs....The ball`s on your court now Hydro....put up or shut up....

Peace...DHF....

??? The warranty is three years long not 90 days

 

[DunHav`nFun]

It was stated here in the thread the warranty was 90 days and I went with that.....

My mistake , but I stand by every word I typed , so again.....Hydrogrowled`s $5000 challenge is a joke....

No stoner here OR commercial grower would EVER go to the lengths he`s talkin bout for documentation , and what`s more wonky is that he thinks we would......

As I said....Let HIM come document the shit and show US the product will produce double conventional HID lighting even if he fucked up the HID side of the grow on purpose and gets what most ANY newb can get at round .4-.5 gpw`s , then turned around with the side by side and pulls .8-1 gpw , it STILL proves only 1 thing......

It costs 4 times the amount of money conventional HID lighting does to do so , and to that I say I can grow 4 times more with cheaper light fixtures and double what he`s screamin in 2 cycles , and my old lumatek`s and eye horti bulbs ain`t cheap but for 1500 bucks invested in 6 fixtures compared to $ 12500 , I call extreme bullshit...

Wooden nickels anyone ?.....

Peace....DHF...........

 

[keebo3000]

It was stated here in the thread the warranty was 90 days and I went with that.....

My mistake , but I stand by every word I typed , so again.....Hydrogrowled`s $5000 challenge is a joke....

No stoner here OR commercial grower would EVER go to the lengths he`s talkin bout for documentation , and what`s more wonky is that he thinks we would......

As I said....Let HIM come document the shit and show US the product will produce double conventional HID lighting even if he fucked up the HID side of the grow on purpose and gets what most ANY newb can get at round .4-.5 gpw`s , then turned around with the side by side and pulls .8-1 gpw , it STILL proves only 1 thing......

It costs 4 times the amount of money conventional HID lighting does to do so , and to that I say I can grow 4 times more with cheaper light fixtures and double what he`s screamin in 2 cycles , and my old lumatek`s and eye horti bulbs ain`t cheap but for 1500 bucks invested in 6 fixtures compared to $ 12500 , I call extreme bullshit...

Wooden nickels anyone ?.....

Peace....DHF...........

I agree with you...to a point. you are correct it does cost more initially than HID, but lets say you change your bulb every cycle because HID degrades quickly , even that beautiful brand hortilux degrades, so every 3 months your spending almost a hundred dollars for a new bulb...thats 2-300 a year for bulbs...you said that you were pulling TWO pounds per 600 watts well I pulled 412 grams off of 290 watts difference is Between wattage and the cost to cool HID lights I SAVE 100 dollars EVERY month off my electric bill...thats a1200 dollar savings every year...and my light last 50,000 hours or over 5 years before you see a huge difference in degradation. in that time I would have saved 6000 dollars in electricity at an average of 150 a year for new bulbs your spending approx 750 in new bulbs alone in the same time span, not to mention your electricity, upfront it costs more but in the long run LEDs cost CONSIDERABLY less

 

[thatonedude]

they'll never miss it. its only a foot long.

yes thy will. it is essential.

 

[Snook]

??? The warranty is three years long not 90 days

guarantee is 90days. warrantee wasn't specified in the initial post.

 

[DunHav`nFun]

I agree with you...to a point. you are correct it does cost more initially than HID, but lets say you change your bulb every cycle because HID degrades quickly , even that beautiful brand hortilux degrades, so every 3 months your spending almost a hundred dollars for a new bulb...thats 2-300 a year for bulbs...you said that you were pulling TWO pounds per 600 watts well I pulled 412 grams off of 290 watts difference is Between wattage and the cost to cool HID lights I SAVE 100 dollars EVERY month off my electric bill...thats a1200 dollar savings every year...and my light last 50,000 hours or over 5 years before you see a huge difference in degradation. in that time I would have saved 6000 dollars in electricity at an average of 150 a year for new bulbs your spending approx 750 in new bulbs alone in the same time span, not to mention your electricity, upfront it costs more but in the long run LEDs cost CONSIDERABLY less

I replaced my bulbs once a yr because they only ran 12 hrs at a time.....3600 watts in 2 different flip rooms but with only a constant 1800 watt per day power draw for an average of 250 bucks a month for lights and ALL other environmental equipment , so while I understand where you`re coming from , the initial cash outlay is outrageous to be able to produce what the comparable HID lighting can and will .....

I didn`t live where I grew so again 3 grand a yr plus another 6 for mortgage payments while pullin 6 lbs per month , allowed me to expand and run multiple locations a WHOLE lot easier than having to spend 3500 bucks more than my avg 9K UPFRONT , not yearly.....just for the LED`s...

6 lumateks fully loaded with all environmental equipment including the best bulbs on the market in eye horti`s STILL came in close to the same $12500 per location per yr , that would`ve cost double that using LED`s AND dropping the power bill in half with LED`s most certainly wouldn`t be any amount of savings that could sway me toward that outrageous initial cash expenditure.....and again....that included mortgage payments to boot....lastly....

I thought thrillspans vertical light arrays were awesome and did a fair job for his first time using em , but guaranteed Joe Q Stoner ain`t gonna spend the cash ta do it.....much less commercial growers in medville that actually do use outrageous amounts of lights , bulbs , AND crazy ass power bills from PG&E.......

Glad you like yours , and for the hobbyist Im sure they`re more cost effective in the long run , but they`re just not feasible at this point in time for anything BUT hobby growing......and.....

As technology develops most definitely prices will HAVE to come down to compete , or more likely as stated above , another type light source will be developed that will in fact be affordable AND comparable in output.....

Peace....DHF........

 

[thatonedude]

guarantee is 90days. warrantee wasn't specified in the initial post.

just because something wast posted initialy means its not valid?

well let thow out everything we know and say manure fixea everything so long as you use cfl's

 

[thatonedude]

I mean that's were we all started no?

if you knew about cfl bulbs before everyone else then lets see it.

and if you knew about manure first I would live to see that as well

 

[thatonedude]

i wish i held the patent on manure

 

[rives]

Between wattage and the cost to cool HID lights I SAVE 100 dollars EVERY month off my electric bill...thats a1200 dollar savings every year...and my light last 50,000 hours or over 5 years before you see a huge difference in degradation. in that time I would have saved 6000 dollars in electricity at an average of 150 a year for new bulbs your spending approx 750 in new bulbs alone in the same time span, not to mention your electricity, upfront it costs more but in the long run LEDs cost CONSIDERABLY less

Not going to happen.

LED technology makes a substantial leap about 2-4 times a year. For the type of person that chases this technology, it would be intolerable to continue using obsolete lighting that still works well but has been superseded many times by better widgits. I know, I have a very nice low-hour LumiGrow ES-330 sitting on the shelf, as well as an even nicer fixture that I built.

I've been running 315w CDM's for the last couple of years because they not only work great, but I got tired of the expense and labor of chasing the LED curve. The CDM also makes a very nice white light, runs at about 105-115 lumens/watt, and is easier to cool in my installation.