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Anyone turn their trees?
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zeke99
Active member
Ideally yes, but if you turn the plant it will attempt to adapt. They are intelligent, but their goals differ from yours. Leave it be in order to grow the fattest, juiciest buds.
You might want to instead explore the various techniques: SCROGs, branch bending, tucking leaves, pinching leaves, etc.
stickyuser
Member
ive been rotating my flowers the hole time, i shall stop that from today!
Depends on how I'm growing. If it's trees, they get turned 180 deg. everyday. This ensure both sides of the plant develop evenly (increasing yield considerably over plants that aren't turned). If on the other hand I'm growing in my racks, or a plant is in a location where it's difficult to turn daily, I chop all the branches off the unlit side of the plant and allow it to focus all energy on the lit branches 
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.Miraculous Meds
Well-known member
This is generally considered a waist. Most of the pro's that I follow the advice of preach to never turn. Either put another light on the other side of the plant or prune out the branches that don't get good light. U will yield better by doing this rather than turning.
If you are turning your plants in flower you are being counterproductive, period.
If you have a single light source, all the buds should be facing that light source. If u need to turn the plant, you will always have buds not facing the light. Durign this time, those parts of the plant will be less productive. It's best to position all the buds to face the light source at all times.
If you have multiple light sources, there is obviously no need to turn the plants. Again, make sure all the buds are properly exposed to the light.
Horizontal growers don't flip a plant over for the bottoms to get light... why would you be concerned with the back of a vert plant that isn't facing the light?? Makes no sense to me, but yall do what you want.
If you have a single light source, all the buds should be facing that light source. If u need to turn the plant, you will always have buds not facing the light. Durign this time, those parts of the plant will be less productive. It's best to position all the buds to face the light source at all times.
If you have multiple light sources, there is obviously no need to turn the plants. Again, make sure all the buds are properly exposed to the light.
Horizontal growers don't flip a plant over for the bottoms to get light... why would you be concerned with the back of a vert plant that isn't facing the light?? Makes no sense to me, but yall do what you want.
Miraculous Meds
Well-known member
If you are turning your plants in flower you are being counterproductive, period.
If you have a single light source, all the buds should be facing that light source. If u need to turn the plant, you will always have buds not facing the light. Durign this time, those parts of the plant will be less productive. It's best to position all the buds to face the light source at all times.
If you have multiple light sources, there is obviously no need to turn the plants. Again, make sure all the buds are properly exposed to the light.
Horizontal growers don't flip a plant over for the bottoms to get light... why would you be concerned with the back of a vert plant that isn't facing the light?? Makes no sense to me, but yall do what you want.
Bingo. Exactly.
Look up any threads of the guys that grow that way and do it well. None of them turn their plants. that's the whole advantage of having light from 3 sides of the plant.
Yeah don't rotate, you're just wasting the plants energy from my experience.
Peace,
HGO
Peace,
HGO
i'm doing a vert, my plants grow similar to this, for bushier plants they grown wide and flat. imagine looking at a door straight on. for a single cola plant like this one i will rotate it once in a while as i notice the buds on one side growing more than the other side. like maybe 1-3 times in a week. whichever side is growing the most larfy i turn to the light a few days.
in a bigger grow where you would be weaving nets and whatnot like a scrog on its side. you obv can't turn those. but if you have plants that you can move surrounding a light. i would recommend turning them to the dark side once in a while to get the most out of your light. i wouldn't do it once a day or whatever, it wouldn't be as effective as leaving it facing one way a few days to a week at a time. the leaves accumulate light to use. if you turn it everyday it's like getting an averaged amount of your light across the whole plant rather than majority of energy going into one side or the other over time.
DunHav`nFun
Well-known member
History is doomed to repeat itself cuz this subject has been discussed over and over and over again as well as side by sided on numerous occasions at the dead and gone sites from days gone by....ok now.....
Anyone here know anything about phototropism ?......Where the response to stimuli is so strong that the plants point themselves DIRECTLY toward the light source regardless of where the light source OR the plants are located in said grow area?....and....
THAT`S where vital plant energy is wasted as plants get spun and turned away from AND toward the light source trying to save the backsides of the plants either to increase yields supposedly and not end up with as much flarf and popcorn where lumen penetration NEVER gets back to , OR to keep the plant growing more evenly and keep as many budsites on the plant as possible , again to hopefully increase bottom line yields....but...
Spinning plants constantly RE-orient themselves and bend back accordingly as far as they can BACK toward the light source , and that`s where time is lost in plant growth and swellage.....
What happens is you end up with MORE buds but SMALLER buds AND flarfy popcorn that not only DECREASES yield , but won`t allow the front sides of the plants to swell accordingly that actually DO get proper lumen penetration if left alone....
I understand Mr D`s thoughts on bigger plants and what he`s witnessed with his own side by sides over the yrs , but I assure everyone here his watts per sq ft are as such to where the BACK sides of his bigger plants STILL get lumen penetration , plus his orca film on the walls GUARANTEES reflection back towards the plants once light gets past said plants....now...
There`s a guy in the outdoor forum in the PNW that built REAL spinners in the gound for his BIG outdoor plants due to the way the sun tracks on his property , and has personally experienced a good amount of yield increase over the yrs by turning his plants IIRC 1/4 turn on a regular basis , BUT....
That`s OUTSIDE with the big metal halide in the sky that`s always above the plants regardless of it`s east to west orientation , not to mention the difference in lumens a plant gets outdoors compared to indoors , and bottom line the UV exposure that indoor plants NEVER get , so....trust me guys.....
There`s a reason why flat growers lollipop down underneath where minimum light can get to , just like the method to all my vert scrog boys`s hackin the backsides and splayin limbs back to the wall to spread out and develop that sideways canopy....and it`s purely...
To allow EVERYTHING in front as well as above in flat grows to swell accordingly and let each plant be all they can be swellage wise....and Dabs....
Even though you`ve noticed no difference in topped and un-topped , hacked out backs or not hacked out , try it for Uncle Fred on just SOME of your other plants and see for yourself then come back and report your findings , so...
Twist...the original question for you as well as Dabs with a 4 plant 5 light setup with all plants getting blasted by 3 lights at all times in NO way need to touch your plants cuz the side lighting more than makes up for no light in the backs..in a 10x10 area that is...anyways...
Looks like more side by sides are needed for proof positive , so ya`ll handle it and report back....
Peace...DHF...
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Anyone here know anything about phototropism ?......Where the response to stimuli is so strong that the plants point themselves DIRECTLY toward the light source regardless of where the light source OR the plants are located in said grow area?....and....
THAT`S where vital plant energy is wasted as plants get spun and turned away from AND toward the light source trying to save the backsides of the plants either to increase yields supposedly and not end up with as much flarf and popcorn where lumen penetration NEVER gets back to , OR to keep the plant growing more evenly and keep as many budsites on the plant as possible , again to hopefully increase bottom line yields....but...
Spinning plants constantly RE-orient themselves and bend back accordingly as far as they can BACK toward the light source , and that`s where time is lost in plant growth and swellage.....
What happens is you end up with MORE buds but SMALLER buds AND flarfy popcorn that not only DECREASES yield , but won`t allow the front sides of the plants to swell accordingly that actually DO get proper lumen penetration if left alone....
I understand Mr D`s thoughts on bigger plants and what he`s witnessed with his own side by sides over the yrs , but I assure everyone here his watts per sq ft are as such to where the BACK sides of his bigger plants STILL get lumen penetration , plus his orca film on the walls GUARANTEES reflection back towards the plants once light gets past said plants....now...
There`s a guy in the outdoor forum in the PNW that built REAL spinners in the gound for his BIG outdoor plants due to the way the sun tracks on his property , and has personally experienced a good amount of yield increase over the yrs by turning his plants IIRC 1/4 turn on a regular basis , BUT....
That`s OUTSIDE with the big metal halide in the sky that`s always above the plants regardless of it`s east to west orientation , not to mention the difference in lumens a plant gets outdoors compared to indoors , and bottom line the UV exposure that indoor plants NEVER get , so....trust me guys.....
There`s a reason why flat growers lollipop down underneath where minimum light can get to , just like the method to all my vert scrog boys`s hackin the backsides and splayin limbs back to the wall to spread out and develop that sideways canopy....and it`s purely...
To allow EVERYTHING in front as well as above in flat grows to swell accordingly and let each plant be all they can be swellage wise....and Dabs....
Even though you`ve noticed no difference in topped and un-topped , hacked out backs or not hacked out , try it for Uncle Fred on just SOME of your other plants and see for yourself then come back and report your findings , so...
Twist...the original question for you as well as Dabs with a 4 plant 5 light setup with all plants getting blasted by 3 lights at all times in NO way need to touch your plants cuz the side lighting more than makes up for no light in the backs..in a 10x10 area that is...anyways...
Looks like more side by sides are needed for proof positive , so ya`ll handle it and report back....
Peace...DHF...
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To me its seems like most of you guys are talking about vert setups which pretty much speaks for itself about turning the plants so you guys 2 cents are 0 worth ihmo.
Me and people i know have done this for years, we have of course done side by side where we had plants we didnt turn, all in all, it increases the yield and doesnt hurt the plants/potency. I may have misunderstood some of you guys.
I hope this doesnt turn into an argument but rather us sharing information.
Me and people i know have done this for years, we have of course done side by side where we had plants we didnt turn, all in all, it increases the yield and doesnt hurt the plants/potency. I may have misunderstood some of you guys.
I hope this doesnt turn into an argument but rather us sharing information.
J
johndoe123
I run DHFs' 5k 4plant setup just like the op. What works for me is cutting out the middle of the plant that does not get sufficient light and then training the back branches to either side that has a void in the canopy.
We are in the vert section.
DunHav`nFun
Well-known member
ALL big plants should have their "innards" cleaned out of sucker branches and excess bullshit 1' away from the mainstem if not further strain dependent....and Marlo...
I hope you know your setup is what`s helped folks leaps and bounds by tying plants "back" while still allowing stretch toward the bare bulbs to create as perfect a sideways canopy as possible in a SCROG type grow....vertically that is since we ARE in the vert section right ?......
2 total different setups , but optimizing the light available to the closest parts of the plant has always given the best results IME , as well as what`s been seen on all the forums for almost 20 yrs....
Spinning inside no bueno and not necessary....Proper pruning , trimming , and shaping during veg up into beginning of stretch to create proper plant footprint and get rid of unnecessary foliage and limbs bueno.......but that`s just me and all them yrs....
Peace...DHF....
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Wow....you do realise that you're posting in the vert fourms?
