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"Live Resin"

whatthe215

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just wanted to add this, from Green Dot Labs Loompa thread on the farm. I figured this was true "live resin." Not fresh frozen, flash frozen.

"Flash freezing either requires dipping the fresh chopped plant into a vat of Liquid Nitrogen (like someone would dip fries in a deep fryer) then transport to aluminum container.. You will then put lid on container and shake the frozen plants so they turn into a fine powder.

Otherwise, you will need a cryogenic freezer (-150c) that will do the same thing, but take about 30 minutes longer..


Necrosis will not set into a plant for around 3-4 hours in Colorado.. If you live in a place of higher humidity, you have a longer window. This means that the cell walls of the plant will not begin to break down, exposing lipids, waxes, and chlorophyll. The hydrocarbons will wash right over the glands and extract the essential oils. The other upside to live extractions is that you will have 7-10% terps in your oil..

This makes the oils about 5-7x stronger than dry runs because the synergy created between the concentrated THC and terpenes amplify the desired effect. And will leave you smacking your lips for 10-15 minutes while you savor the dab. Unlike when you burn plants, you primarily can only taste the smoke. And because smoking is at such a high heat, you really burn a lot of to volatile terps before they ever hit your lips.

Dabbing on quartz is also paramount. Titanium is just gross. When you heat up Ti, you oxidize the metal, and those of you who like hot dabs, are probably sucking down known carcinogens that are release from the Ti. Quartz holds heat better and tastes 10000x cleaner.

A newer product we will be rolling out later this year is our Synergy line. This is reclaiming 100% of the terpenes with a liquid N cold trap, then re infusing the extracted essential oils with liquid terpenes. Some call it Holy Water, but we are going with Synergy. They have tested around 25% terps in its final form.. It's the end all, be all, of extractions because you can take the shatter to 0ppm without concerns your will burn off terps,,, then infuse reclaimed terps to oil. Terps will be so strong, you will need to take a shower and brush your teeth 5x to get the OGk taste out of your mouth."
 

NEGT1

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Can we not talk about bubble in a bho thread? Or even talk about pesticides or idiots who use them in a thread about bho, why?

5-7x stronger? Yeah I don't buy that for a second. What's the highest temp necrosis seizes to exist in a plant and the oils?
 

NEGT1

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mechanical extract (including bubble) is hash and butane honey oil is not hash, IMO

Really solid information!!!

I"m so much smarter

I love how this site is about bullshitting for nothing more than self worth and interest (most often related to monetary gains, which i'm not hating, but the denial around here is very funny)
 

Gray Wolf

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thanks for that break down GW. i was obviously talking about crap in the context of the post, ie weed grown with pesticides, or containing other contaminants. i won't list all the potential stuff thats used by growers. but yes it seems it all needs to be individually looked at and safe amounts decided. as for aflatoxins, how do you make sure there are none in the end product, is it as simple as not using moldy buds to make oil?

Our rules are the same, regardless of what kind of extraction we are doing, and that is no material that is moldy from poor drying conditions.

You can identify that it is moldy by smell, black light, and by microscopic exam at 100X.

Microscopic examination will allow you to identify the type of mold.

Black light causes Aspergillus mold and aflatoxins to phosphorescence green.

We have extracted plants moldy with Powdery Mildew and Botrytis, which don't produce known aflatoxins, but filtered them to 0.2 microns to remove all the filament material and spores, because they can still produce allergic reactions in some folks and they taste like hammered crap.
 

Permacultuure

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Recently saw some beautiful full melt bubble..........that came back positive for salmonella. We've yet to determine where the contamination occurred, but it was only one batch, the rest were clean. The testing facility was equally confused and submitted it to a larger lab for confirmation.......I was surprised that the state required testing for salmonella, much less that it came back positive....

I think the biggest issues can be addressed with knowing who you source your material from, and what their gardening practices are......
 

gaiusmarius

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wow! how the fuck does salmonella get in there?

maybe some bad quality fertilizer being spread in a area which shares air with a flowering room. those dusty additives can travel easily in the air and maybe get on to some flowering plants? not sure how else, or maybe if someone is using human waste from someone with the salmonella bacteria in them? weird indeed.
 

gaiusmarius

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sure, some thing like Salmonella is bound to be water spread easily. but where did it come from in the first place? are there growing products out there that have salmonella bacteria in them? or was it a freak occurrence from some ignorant fool using his own shit as soil additive? how did it end up on the flowers? disgusting practices must have been involved in that flower production op.
 

JointOperation

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so.. are the yields the same .. on live .. as dry?..

and is this done with any days of drying? at all or ?

when I did my first live.. I did it with stuff that was cut down... put directly into a freezer.. taken out.. broken up.. frozen again.. then packed.. then frozen again.. butane chilled.. and extracted.. came out super light and great.. but my yields im not sure how they are compared to dry ..

for people who have done the side by sides on the same material.. are people seeing the same yields.. or less.. or more.. or ?

and are there any other solvents that would be BETTER for LIVE extracts.. or fresh frozen extracts whatever u wana call it . live meaning the plants still green and full of life as it goes into the freezer..
 

jump117

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are there any other solvents that would be BETTER for LIVE extracts..

"Better" is very subjective. Can be done faster, rinsing fresh bud in ethanol, without freezing, takes 15 minutes.
As for comparison, the fresh and dry, it depends on the details of the solvent temperature and contact time.
After extraction of fresh, I dried, crushed and wash off again.
It brings results, but for the quality it is much inferior to fresh washout.
 

JointOperation

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jump my friend.. I hear your another dude that's making some amazing extracts....

I have a bottle of Lab Grade.. Methylene chloride. a gallon of the shit.. and a half gallon of hexane.. and maybe 250-500mls of methanol... also got a half a bottle of everclear.. butttttt

what can methylene chloride be used to do in cannabis extractions..? does anyone know?
 

Gray Wolf

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jump my friend.. I hear your another dude that's making some amazing extracts....

I have a bottle of Lab Grade.. Methylene chloride. a gallon of the shit.. and a half gallon of hexane.. and maybe 250-500mls of methanol... also got a half a bottle of everclear.. butttttt

what can methylene chloride be used to do in cannabis extractions..? does anyone know?

Yes, but it is a known carcinogen.
 

audiohi

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I have a potentially stupid question...

Would combining, or recombining a mixture of both fresh frozen and dried extracts from the same strain give you a product representing the best of both worlds? Or would this be a large waste of time and energy?

It's just a thought I had. Has anyone tried that?
 

NEGT1

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I have a potentially stupid question...

Would combining, or recombining a mixture of both fresh frozen and dried extracts from the same strain give you a product representing the best of both worlds? Or would this be a large waste of time and energy?

It's just a thought I had. Has anyone tried that?

It works well. Often do personal runs of fresh frozen/live trim with cured nug.

Although, at the end of the day, as great as live resin is, it's impracticable in a lot of cases and I find that the qualities of live resin extracts degrade quicker than dried and cured material.
 

Permacultuure

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sure, some thing like Salmonella is bound to be water spread easily. but where did it come from in the first place? are there growing products out there that have salmonella bacteria in them? or was it a freak occurrence from some ignorant fool using his own shit as soil additive? how did it end up on the flowers? disgusting practices must have been involved in that flower production op.

We have yet to track the down the source of contamination.....of course the cultivar and the processor blame poor testing and/or handling on the other end. But the blame game has gotten us no where.....

Just making the point that there are flaws in every process, with or without solvents.....Every other test result came back clean, and there were quite a few.....

Much love and Repect to Jump!!!! Reading your threads sparked a serious flame! Thank you!!
 

JointOperation

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im going to be trying a live extract.. im going to take exactly half the plant.. what ill do is clip the plant.. weigh it out so I got half.. dry half.. and do a live extract on the other half. an see the difference.. then ill take a lil and put it together.. give a smoke report on it once I do ..

just pulled down 5 .. got another 5 to go Wednesday.. and my butane should be in by then so.. ASAP. I will be trying.. lol
 
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