I don't know where you came up with that bit of nonsense. Viruses and nematodes CAN be passed through seeds.
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Dud Identification Collective Knowledge.
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I don't know where you came up with that bit of nonsense. Viruses and nematodes CAN be passed through seeds.
i dont think that guarantees you got them from seed. its one possible scenario but your methods dont sound stringent enough to rule out othe r possiblilities like missing them in the observation process or having a small out break that is only affecting that plant that is from a plant you had or have. ive seen some pests flock to certain plants and abandon others. just sayin. just because a breeder thinks something about plants doesnt mean its true.
jackmayoffer is reporting success at undudding plants with kontos and asprin.
actually fixing plants with all dud symptoms into healthy plants.
actually fixing plants with all dud symptoms into healthy plants.
me too. he said so in an instagram comment on someones photo of a dudded faceoff og clone.
i respect jacks experience a lot so i figured i'd post it. just another anecdotal case of success until we have a proven IPM.
i respect jacks experience a lot so i figured i'd post it. just another anecdotal case of success until we have a proven IPM.
I beat a horrible scene with 2 nasty sprays alternating, & heat and Aspirin. Not gonna muck it up with all sorts of other theories, like many here. But, after moving into a new rental, and setting up, I got hit for the second time in two different states. Some of my equipment may have carried pests crosscountry. But, I bought a few Plushberry clones, and they had em. Anyways, I went from 84 plants of which were packs of BOG SSK, and other valuable seeds, like irreplaceable Trip x BB, , as well as Triple D and PB clones. Down to 4 plants. 2 generations later now, I still preventatively spray in veg. I only kept the Trip D. I Still see 'em/it, but I have been winning the battle.
what are your alternating sprays.
are you talking about bms or dudding plants? what are you spraying?what insect are you spraying for?
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Does anyone know where to send diseased 'dud' plants for testing in Colorado?
Ive done it with just aspirin, after winning the bm battle with heat.....
Plants showed all the typical signs of a dud, growth halted in veg and internodal spacing decreased significantly....Pulled half of em out at 3ft and replaced with new babies.....These babies caught up to size of dudded plants rapidly. Before pulling the last of the dudded plants out I grabbed a bottle of aspirin, and and added it to the reservoir. Overnight I saw growth return, the plants structure and growth began to return to its natural state and we were off to the races and ready to flip.
I was blown away how much just adding the aspirin helped. I don't know if kontos plays a big of a role in healing the plant but definitely in prevention of duds IMO. Aspirin, whatever it may do, saved these plants from duding.....I may be able to find picks of plants during their "dud" stage but below is one before harvest......
Aspirin helped the plants fight off the effects of the toxins that broad mites, cyclamen mites, and Ditylenchus dipsaci inject into the plant, which is what causes the dudding. It boosts the plants immune system, and sometimes this is enough to bring you to harvest.
And I can't thank you enough Retro!!
I wasn't a hundy that is was you until after i posted. Been lurking in concentrates threads and had forgotten who enlightened me on this end of the mag. With both heat treatments and aspirin.
Aspirin saved half my garden for sure, after battling thru BM's. It was truly amazing that 88 cents did so much, literally overnight. And it was in the cup holder of my truck for like two weeks. If your a skeptic, spend the whopping dollar and see.....
Can't find any dud pics, wasn't exactly stoked and taking pictures then.
Thank you again retro!!!
i've got a buddy with duds, i'ma have him try just aspirin.
retro had the answer years ago... LOL
retro had the answer years ago... LOL
Aspirin was in the rez of my duds, everyone has seen the pics, not sure if it works for all cases of duddism. It definitely helps with broad mites. I can attest to that.
Aspirin will help prevent dudding, but you still have to eliminate the mites that inject the toxins. Some strains respond better than others. The other thing is when you start treating them. The earlier the better. I always keep aspirin in rez. Has other benefits also.
I dont believe in "duds". this shit aint magic... there is a cause.
Eelworms (root knot nematodes) come in a couple types... Heterodera rostochiensis and Heterodera pallida are the majority. They require moist soil... they create eggs in cysts on the roots that can survive in the soil for up to 20 years. These are the swollen bodies, or cysts of the female eelworms and each contains up to 600 eggs.
![P_PotCystEel[2].jpg](http://www.donsgarden.co.uk/images/pestimages/images/P_PotCystEel[2].jpg)
Males remain worm-like and swim off into the soil when mature. Females grow and swell within the root to erupt through the root wall, whilst the head remains embedded in the root. After mating the body wall of the female starts to harden, forming the cyst... You shouldn't really be looking in stems at all... instead, you should be looking for pinhead sized white, yellow or brown cysts on the roots.
I had duds and grew plants in the exact same media(I reused the coco)
And they turned out great.
Looking at my new cut and how its growing I keep thinking to myself it looks like a completely different strain.
I have no earthly idea what made my plants dud but im about as sure as one caan be that it wasnt environmental. If it were in the coco like the worms you suggest as a possible cause then you would think reusing the coco would net me the same result no matter what strain I planted that didnt happen either.
I would have tried asperin but that never came up while I had my dud, I tossed the cuts and have been fine ever since.
Maybe the simpleist answer is the easiest... maybe and im COMPLETELY GUESSING but just maybe NONE of those cuts were gg4 but some weak hybrid.
If it wasnt genetic or internal somehow then why the same results in so many environments?
I have no idea but thats a thought ive had more than once to myself.
For me I cant tell you what caused it. I can tell you it wasnt me my enviorment or my methodology.
Some sort of persistent toxin makes sense in my case havent got a clue what it was tho.
Besides a nightmare
Sorry I know not everyones duds are feom the sl cuts juat tossin out my personal experience. Maybe theres a nugget in there that could be useful
And they turned out great.
Looking at my new cut and how its growing I keep thinking to myself it looks like a completely different strain.
I have no earthly idea what made my plants dud but im about as sure as one caan be that it wasnt environmental. If it were in the coco like the worms you suggest as a possible cause then you would think reusing the coco would net me the same result no matter what strain I planted that didnt happen either.
I would have tried asperin but that never came up while I had my dud, I tossed the cuts and have been fine ever since.
Maybe the simpleist answer is the easiest... maybe and im COMPLETELY GUESSING but just maybe NONE of those cuts were gg4 but some weak hybrid.
If it wasnt genetic or internal somehow then why the same results in so many environments?
I have no idea but thats a thought ive had more than once to myself.
For me I cant tell you what caused it. I can tell you it wasnt me my enviorment or my methodology.
Some sort of persistent toxin makes sense in my case havent got a clue what it was tho.
Besides a nightmare
Sorry I know not everyones duds are feom the sl cuts juat tossin out my personal experience. Maybe theres a nugget in there that could be useful
duds are also being passed around on unrooted clones so take that into consideration.
im not an expert but trying to piece some things together.. I would look at duding like the herpes virus.. some might carry it, show symptoms in stress or unusual circumstances, some might be full blown duds.. idk. it definitely seems that most people have a similar experience.. some plants affected or some parts of a plant affected, when all are actually infected or carrying it. so im guessing a virus spread by broads. or maybe by other bugs or just passed plant to plant when we swap around clones. who knows..
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