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[Backyard Farmer]

Yes you didn't convert your bed square footage to relate to an acre...once you do so you can get the application ratio by multiplying the % acre X Amount per Acre

 

[milkyjoe]

The fact is the better your soil the less you need. Just talking about terpenes...they are oils...fat. to get the plant to max out terpenes you have to provide enough energy for the plant to make fat. Then you need to provide enzymes to catalyze the reactions that convert those phospholipids into essential oils. Ideally you are counting on aea/biological advantage for some minor energy input and a whole lot of enzyme co factor support.

Counting on aea for both is going to disappoint

 

[Backyard Farmer]

That was the point I was making ... You can't just pour this stuff on NAND expect it to of I fix your mistake ...you need a good battery first,

 

[leadsled]

Thanks everyone!

Thanks everyone!

Yes you didn't convert your bed square footage to relate to an acre...once you do so you can get the application ratio by multiplying the % acre X Amount per Acre

Thanks, you got it. That is something obvious I was missing. Sometimes take a minute for the math to sink in.

You running any plants with the biological advantage indoors?

The fact is the better your soil the less you need. Just talking about terpenes...they are oils...fat. to get the plant to max out terpenes you have to provide enough energy for the plant to make fat. Then you need to provide enzymes to catalyze the reactions that convert those phospholipids into essential oils. Ideally you are counting on aea/biological advantage for some minor energy input and a whole lot of enzyme co factor support.

Counting on aea for both is going to disappoint

Got it. Top of the pyramid. All is moot without good soil.

I noticed the keystone potting soil being mentioned. You (or anyone else) use and like the product?


Not much information on the price sheet, other than. 50 pound bags, 40 bags on a skid. You or anyone else aware of how many yard and.or cubic feet that is?

 

[milkyjoe]

The bags I got were 2.2 cf. It lacks n and k for full cyclesm. EC is about 0.3...so it lacks "battery".

It gets plants off to a fantastic start...best I have seen. With some minor amendments it would be fantastic. I tried to get aea to give me the analysis on it but no luck so far. Guess I need to get my own.

FE called penn valley. They gave him some details...like 60% compost along with worm castings, peat and perlite. Amazing it lacks k with that much compost. That midwest bio ag aeromaster composting system is amazing. I gave them a call and they told me who might sell me some local compost

 

[Bulldog420]

I talked to Gary again and he told me Bio Ad wasn't going to be available to ship for another 3-4weeks.....That is what I keep hearing no matter how much time goes by. So I ordered another batch of Rej, and MicroPak. Just a heads up to those who are waiting for Bio Ad.

 

[FatherEarth]

Eli at penn farms said its cheaper on shipping if you get a full semi full. West coast bound 21 skids delivery is 3k, if you only buy 2-4 skids it's 2k for the delivery... I'm ordering 10 skids, anyone want to throw down and get a full truckload?

 

[Backyard Farmer]

Eli at penn farms said its cheaper on shipping if you get a full semi full. West coast bound 21 skids delivery is 3k, if you only buy 2-4 skids it's 2k for the delivery... I'm ordering 10 skids, anyone want to throw down and get a full truckload?

Will you save a guy a call and share the pallet cost @truckload volume.

Thanks

 

[Backyard Farmer]

I guess there's some people in Cali that use Midwest bio ag same as penn, wouldn't be hard to mix that compost with peat perlite lava rock and amendments and make it ourself ?

 

[milkyjoe]

You gotta wonder about the low k. Their source material has to be low k also...that may be the real secret.

I wonder for less than truckloads if ordering through aea may not be cheaper with their ups freight deal. I plan to get a pallet for a couple of indoor beds.

 

[Backyard Farmer]

It probably is. I'm going to get a full truck load for my new place.

 

[Bulldog420]

Where does this truck load come from? What is shipping costs?

 

[milkyjoe]

Penn valley is PA, aea is OH. Cost depends on where you are

 

[cannascholar]

I paid nearly 4 grand for shippin four skids however they said 25 would cost 5 k. I'm in a very rural area so folks in the valley should experience a little lesser rates.

 

[Bulldog420]

You guys are paying that much for soil delivery?When you guys talk about a truck load you are talking 40 yards right? I can buy 40 yards for the price of your delivery from a soil yard that makes custom mixes with whatever you want. Am I missing something?

 

[milkyjoe]

It is a one time tax...for indoor bet your ass it is worth it. Outdoor I an
M still debating. I found a 70 dollar a yard soil that is short on everything so I can amend it exactly to my taste...still I debate. Until you see waxy leaves that aren't too dark green...well you never know

 

[Bulldog420]

I get what your saying, but what makes that soil so much better than soil hand mixed with everything you want in it? The compost? Already biologically alive?

Do you then recycle this soil when used for indoor? Or pay again?

Anybody close to Sonora that is getting a truck load? I just gotta see what the fuss is about.

 

[milkyjoe]

5 yrs with the same indoor soil here...this is an add on.

Choice is yours...not mine. I think I am done recommending anything

 

[Bulldog420]

ok, thanks for taking the time to recommend this to me. Have a good day.

 

[Backyard Farmer]

25 skids is what i'll need for my new spot.... 1 skid per plant. Bam.