The Not So Solventless Clear Concentrate From Harborside!

[soysoz]

Lets load this guy up with some popcorn and see what happens:
http://oilextech.com/

Was looking at this again today. I think the material has to be truly fresh and a better condenser is needed than what they have. I'd imagine that that thing will need quite a few runs in addition to a better seperatory funnel. Theirs looks really cumbersome...

 

[Chonkski]

Mr. Durden acting like a cool guy.


.. Like usual

 

[emeraldcityog]

Lol, you guys are trying spell it out on a public forum just in time for outdoor season. I predict being inundated with Mexican Clear products and pissed off feds, as well as out of work BHO "artists," due to the shipping aspects. It's nice to innovate but I see that tech shifting the industry in an un-favorable way. Oh well, just my guess. I'll stick to dry sift.

That said, do we really want cheap Clear products everywhere? Or is the thinking that it won't have an affect on the market? I guess it depends on your place in this industry.

 

[grow nerd]

It'll affect the market, that's for sure.

Security through obscurity never got anyone anywhere, anyways. Full disclosure ensures better innovation in the end. Some people's feelings and profit margins will be affected along the way, though.

 

[Chonkski]

It'll affect the market, that's for sure.

Security through obscurity never got anyone anywhere, anyways. Full disclosure ensures better innovation in the end. Some people's feelings and profit margins will be affected along the way, though.

Couldn't agree more myself.

 

[TickleMyBalls]

I'm still holding strong. They use actual lobsters. I've heard they import them from Maine.

 

[Pure777Extracts]

Cartel530

 

[grow nerd]

I'm still holding strong. They use actual lobsters. I've heard they import them from Maine.

That's funny, because if my memory serves me correctly, you were one of the many handfuls who were one of the loudest to argue and most strongly disagreed with me on where the prices of weed will go. 6-7+ years ago, I said that as more and more legalization happens prices will fall, as with everything. You thought your prices would hold much longer than it did, and even stated that you will be fine as you'll be serving some niche connoisseur market and make the big bucks. Then 3-4 years ago I remember you also being one of the first and loudest to complain about how prices have fallen unfairly and how all dispensaries were ripping off growers, etc.

Now what... Will you also be amongst the first to complain about how all the imported clear extract is hurting your under-purged wax & shatter sales?

 

[TickleMyBalls]

What was your handle 7+ years ago? You have some definite troll blood in you if you have been following me around busting my balls for 7 years.

Oh yeah, have anything of substance to contribute to this thread or will you continue to sidetrack it trolling me about things that are way off topic?

 

[grow nerd]

See my previous posts with info and links on how to modify a standard household microwave oven to do what the NEOS does.

The kind of info that you:
1) Did not have
2) Would not have shared, if you did have it
3) Are happy to have

And I'm the troll?

 

[TickleMyBalls]

Are you aware that the only reason this thread got on the topic of these machines is because some intelligent people understood the info I was giving out? Before I came here no one had a clue what they were doing.

There may not be a difference between making an old microwave into a piece of secondhand bottom level lab equipment and a NEOS gr to you, but I assure you, they won't be capable of the same thing.

All about ease of use. These machines were developed to save labs time and personnel.

 

[grow nerd]

You assure me, how?

Like the way you assured me that supply & demand doesn't apply to marijuana way back when?

By the way, are you here to show everyone how smart you are and how much sooner you knew something than everyone, or are you here to make progress? Seems like the former to me, with the latter being an unintended byproduct.

 

[TickleMyBalls]

Because the NEOS machines have computer programs running the extraction process that can be dialed in exactly to what you need and they have a built in HD camera and monitor so you can monitor your extract up close during the process....

Yeah seems exactly like connecting a flask to an old microwave....

Now what was your old name? Why do you not answer my questions, but fling insults instead?

 

[grow nerd]

No one said a $50 household microwave is as turn-key as a $30k machine that was purpose-built from ground up. You just kept eluding to how making this clear concentrate isn't possible without big bucks because this NEOS microwave does something unique that simply cannot be achieved or replicated without it, which is completely false. You even stated that there is only one company and product that can produce such results, which is also completely false.

I've had multiple past usernames. I've been "grow nerd" since 2007 or 2008 (unregistered for a short bit). For more info, see my "Location".

Lastly, don't take what I say as an "insult", as I certainly didn't intend it as such. Instead, consider the fact that the truth hurts, sometimes.

PS - I think I liked it better when you were (finally) quiet/speechless for a while, with your jaws on the floor. Can you please STFU again and let the adults discuss?

 

[Daub Marley]

I predict being inundated with Mexican Clear products and pissed off feds, as well as out of work BHO "artists," due to the shipping aspects. It's nice to innovate but I see that tech shifting the industry in an un-favorable way. Oh well, just my guess. I'll stick to dry sift.

That said, do we really want cheap Clear products everywhere? Or is the thinking that it won't have an affect on the market? I guess it depends on your place in this industry.

First let me say that the Clear will never be a lasting product. It's laughable that they got copyrights because I'm counting the days before they fail. If your tek (no matter what it is), removes the natural terpenes of the plant to the point where you have to add fake ones back in then its safe to say your days are numbered as an extraction artist. The whole MHD tek even if it lightens the color of your extract will remove all the terpenes in the process. On top of that it also decarbs it. So MHD is inherently flawed and will never become widespread. Its just a stepping stone and its important to realize this.
Secondly the Mexicans are fucking stupid. Its not their M.O to use their brains or they would have come around to concentrates a decade ago. They could have competed through innovation, but that's not who mafia type are. Their scared of business risk despite being overaggressive violent monsters. By now its too late. When legalization occurs they will never be able to compete on price which is their only out at this point.

 

[flatslabs]

First let me say that the Clear will never be a lasting product. It's laughable that they got copyrights because I'm counting the days before they fail. If your tek (no matter what it is), removes the natural terpenes of the plant to the point where you have to add fake ones back in then its safe to say your days are numbered as an extraction artist.

I can't speak for what clear is doing, but I see no reason you cannot distill off and capture the natural terpenes and add them back into the polished product.

The whole MHD tek even if it lightens the color of your extract will remove all the terpenes in the process. On top of that it also decarbs it. So MHD is inherently flawed and will never become widespread. Its just a stepping stone and its important to realize this.

I don't see decarboxylation as a downside at all, especially if it retains the light color. Being able to turn crappy trim concentrate into high purity decarbed concentrate would be a great thing for the edibles market at least.

 

[primeform]

Are you aware that the only reason this thread got on the topic of these machines is because some intelligent people understood the info I was giving out? Before I came here no one had a clue what they were doing.

There may not be a difference between making an old microwave into a piece of secondhand bottom level lab equipment and a NEOS gr to you, but I assure you, they won't be capable of the same thing.

All about ease of use. These machines were developed to save labs time and personnel.

Dude now your just talking out your ass.

 

[Daub Marley]

I can't speak for what clear is doing, but I see no reason you cannot distill off and capture the natural terpenes and add them back into the polished product.

You can if you know what you're doing, but you will ruin the consistency and make it gooey. To solve this you can do encapsulation, but at this point you should realize that the trichome in its natural state already encapsulates the terpenes and cannabinoids perfectly. So You will have come this far only to realize that it has been a big circle, and instead of making that loop you should have went back to first base. Extract the trichome itself, and not everything within it.

I don't see decarboxylation as a downside at all, especially if it retains the light color. Being able to turn crappy trim concentrate into high purity decarbed concentrate would be a great thing for the edibles market at least.

The edibles market doesn't care if it is dark brown. Decarbing is a big deal as far as consistency. Don't underestimate the handle-ability of the extract because it is very important. Nobody likes goo.

 

[flatslabs]

I was thinking more direct oral administration of a nicely colored, cheap, high purity, decarbed concentrate. Not so much for cooking with.

 

[Chonkski]

I was thinking more direct oral administration of a nicely colored, cheap, high purity, decarbed concentrate. Not so much for cooking with.

And being able to fill a cartomizer without needing any nasty pg or even worse peg. Hell, you'd even be able to rub it on topically.