quick question

[Miraculous Meds]

If each wall was a door u could swing open accessing all the plants to train this hybrid idea would be bad ass. Actually just a bigger room for this design llike 15' x 15' then u could get around and train. hmmm..

 

[LSWM]

I just figured the whole point here was to get 8 plants to flower the quickest and that's what I came up with. Putting the lights in the corners and only running 4 plants would leave more room for the trees to bush out, but would also increase veg time.

 

[LSWM]

If each wall was a door u could swing open accessing all the plants to train this hybrid idea would be bad ass. Actually just a bigger room for this design llike 15' x 15' then u could get around and train. hmmm..

But then why not up the pattern to 10 lights if you have the extra room? Haha

 

[Miraculous Meds]

But in a 10' room giving each plant a 5'x5' space minus distance from bulbs I still cant figure where u stand to tie to the ceiling when ur plants fill in. I know peeps do it successfully but... For example I read hl45 thread and I think he said buy some knee pads. lol. Any job planting tulips or using knee pads I gotta pass on to the younger guys lol. I aint afraid of hard work, but there is something to be said for working smarter not harder.

 

[LSWM]

I don't see why you need access behind the screen if you have full access to the front? I think it may get tight getting to each spot around the lights but a simple duck under some nugs and stand up next to the bulb you should have no problem trellising in the corners of a room.

EDIT: There should be a 4x4 empty space around each bulb. Why can't you stand there to do your work? I climb inside my 4x4 doughnuts to trim fans. This would be the exact same but you wouldn't be entrapped 360 by netting, lol. Only 180 with bushes around the other 180.

 

[Miraculous Meds]

I just figured the whole point here was to get 8 plants to flower the quickest and that's what I came up with. Putting the lights in the corners and only running 4 plants would leave more room for the trees to bush out, but would also increase veg time.

It is that's why my suggestion was 2 double stack 4 sites. Everything else im talking about is just thoughts concerning other ideas for effieciency of others ideas.

If wanting to utilize 8 plants like he does then I still think my suggestion is solid, maybe the best one for this scenario.

 

[Miraculous Meds]

I don't see why you need access behind the screen if you have full access to the front? I think it may get tight getting to each spot around the lights but a simple duck under some nugs and stand up next to the bulb you should have no problem trellising in the corners of a room.

EDIT: There should be a 4x4 empty space around each bulb. Why can't you stand there to do your work? I climb inside my 4x4 doughnuts to trim fans. This would be the exact same but you wouldn't be entrapped 360 by netting, lol. Only 180 with bushes around the other 180.

where are ur plants gonna be, goal is to fill that space with plant correct?

 

[Miraculous Meds]

But then why not up the pattern to 10 lights if you have the extra room? Haha

that depends on if electricity usage matters. Basicly whats ur limiting factor. If ur on the dl its electrical usage. If u med state its space.

 

[LSWM]

where are ur plants gonna be, goal is to fill that space with plant correct?

If I have a 4x4 donut there is ~18-24 inches of space between the bulb and the plants. The goal is to leave that space around the bulb and fill everything else with plants. If I fill that space in between, plants will be touching the bulb. That means if I stand up underneath a bulb there should be 2 feet in every direction. When I crawl into my doughnuts, I turn the lights off, pull the bulb higher, step inside and have no plant matter touching me. If there are alot of fans they reach out and do touch me, but there is still plenty of room for me to stand.

I'm with you on the double stacked doughnuts though. It's certainly a viable option.

 

[d3cryption]

It is that's why my suggestion was 2 double stack 4 sites. Everything else im talking about is just thoughts concerning other ideas for effieciency of others ideas.

If wanting to utilize 8 plants like he does then I still think my suggestion is solid, maybe the best one for this scenario.

Yup.... lsmw hybrid plan sounds interesting.. veg time is something to consider as I plan to flip next month on the 10 or 17th heres a pic of the plants now unfinished room

 

[Miraculous Meds]

If I have a 4x4 donut there is ~18-24 inches of space between the bulb and the plants. The goal is to leave that space around the bulb and fill everything else with plants. If I fill that space, plants will be touching the bulb. That means if I stand up underneath a bulb there should be 2 feet in every direction. When I crawl into my doughnuts, I turn the lights off, pull the bulb higher, step inside and have no plant matter touching me. If there are alot of fans they reach out and do touch me, but there is still plenty of room for me to stand.

I'm with you on the double stacked doughnuts though. It's certainly a viable option.

U quoted me on the hybrid, and checkerboard ideas, where u let the 4 plants bush out filling in that space. I totally understand the training of the donut on screens as I have been tweaking. I gave up on that crawling under the donut shit and created a screen system like ichabods where u just slide one screen open and train right in front of u. easy... such a back saver, and u aint gotta get as sticky. lol

 

[Miraculous Meds]

Yup.... lsmw hybrid plan sounds interesting.. veg time is something to consider as I plan to flip next month on the 10 or 17th heres a pic of the plants now unfinished room

I wouldn't be bending them and slowing them down to much if u go the screen route its better to overveg and cut out the suckers, cause once u get rolling vert stack style they will go sideways more than up.

 

[LSWM]

U quoted me on the hybrid, and checkerboard ideas, where u let the 4 plants bush out filling in that space. I totally understand the training of the donut on screens as I have been tweaking, perfecting that for a long time now and am pretty close to dialed with the better strains hitting 1.5gpw. I gave up on that crawling under the donut shit and created a screen system like ichabods where u just slide one screen open and train right in front of u. easy... such a back saver, and u aint gotta get as sticky. lol

I guess the question becomes how wide is a single bush in a 4 plant 5 light setup. Like what floor footprint does it take up. Because the way I see the diagram I have on the first page there is a 18-24 inch radius of empty space around every bulb. Giving you space to stand up and do training.

I don't know how we are not seeing eye to eye on this one, lol. I'm about to give up. No hard feelings at all.

 

[Miraculous Meds]

The thing is with the hybrid idea the the 10' room ud have to be tinkerbell with some magic fairy dust to get into that room. Ask any pro doing the 4 plant 5 light grow and I bet they say its a pretty good challenge to work in the room if its 10'. So then add screens on the walls and 4 more plants, great idea if u could work in there, which I don't think u can in that amount of space.

 

[d3cryption]

I wouldn't be bending them and slowing them down to much if u go the screen route its better to overveg and cut out the suckers, cause once u get rolling vert stack style they will go sideways more than up.

I only bent them because them were kind of lanky and untopped....... im going to top the ones I bent so everything would be even..

 

[LSWM]

The thing is with the hybrid idea the the 10' room ud have to be tinkerbell with some magic fairy dust to get into that room. Ask any pro doing the 4 plant 5 light grow and I bet they say its a pretty good challenge to work in the room if its 10'. So then add screens on the walls and 4 more plants, great idea if u could work in there, which I don't think u can in that amount of space.

But with my idea there is less veg, so the 4 bushes don't get as large! You'd still be squeezing between plants and crawling on the floor I'm sure...

...All the shit I'm already doing trying to maximize my space, lol.

 

[Miraculous Meds]

I guess the question becomes how wide is a single bush in a 4 plant 5 light setup. Like what floor footprint does it take up. Because the way I see the diagram I have on the first page there is a 18-24 inch radius of empty space around every bulb. Giving you space to stand up and do training.

I don't know how we are not seeing eye to eye on this one, lol. I'm about to give up. No hard feelings at all.

Nah I just want to help, Its just a difference of opinion, u feel like the distance of plant away from bulb is sufficient to work in. That space is a bit to tight for me and the grow would suffer for me cause I wouldn't be able to train it properly. For u it might be the shznit... Rock that shit bro im rooting for ya.

 

[Miraculous Meds]

I only bent them because them were kind of lanky and untopped....... im going to top the ones I bent so everything would be even..

Cool but remember u can always top em as u get closer to ur flip date, so u know ur gonna have the height u want. Just give urself a full week and a half after topping before flip for best performance.

 

[d3cryption]

Yeah. I probably top then tomorrow...

 

[LSWM]

I'm not done yet! One last Idea. Rock it like Ttystikk's super silos.

8 plants 5 lights. FOUR 4x4 Donuts. All plants trellised to Semicircles. 2' from bulb to plants.

You could actually fit 10 lights in this setup if you were crazy enough to double stack.

I'm not going to claim this will be easy to work inside of AT ALL, but it is certainly do able. There is room for the plants, the trellis, the pots and the bulbs, even for you to work inside if you have the balls to do so. My guess is this room would turn over quicker than a tree room and yield as well or better depending on the grower's skill and/or ability to trellis within this tight space.

(God damn do I want to try this...)

Green = Screen + NUGS.
Yellow = Bulbs

EDIT: You could also just drop the center light and put them on trays and rollers and be able to move the whole setup two foot in each direction to get around it as well. Or leave the center light and do the same. Lot's of ways to make this work it seems, from dead simple to complex as can be.