1st coco grow-having trouble-need help

[GonjaLove]

Kb powder at day 22 is too early

 

[CloudyAmberDay]

Kb powder at day 22 is too early

check out this journal

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=166420

used kb powder as recipe indicated (day 15?)

look at those beauties!!!

To each their own

Although, I would be very careful with pk boosters - uncle ben who I really enjoy following advocated against them and encourages N and keeping them green, etc.

Lot's of different opinions - schedules - things to try.

I'm all for success and failure. Everyone does what works for them and makes them happy at the end of the day.

 

[CloudyAmberDay]

buds feed KB early on

photo's by rez in the recipe thread.

 

[stoned40yrs]

Having read about the kind of guy Rez is I think it's totally possible that guy was trying to fuk up everyones grow with the rezipe so his stuff would look better.

 

[CloudyAmberDay]

Having read about the kind of guy Rez is I think it's totally possible that guy was trying to fuk up everyones grow with the rezipe so his stuff would look better.

Yeah, I'm kind of late on this....

I read somewhere he use to bid on his own seeds to make other people pay more for them. He was banned once he was caught.

I also found out it's kind of a touchy subject to talk about him, so I think I will leave the subject alone.

As far as a feed schedule goes - h3ad goes coco seems great - I did purchase some flora micro and bloom to try some of the 6/9 stuff.

I love trying new things and already had KBP and KBL on hand

I'm really learning still learning the different phases of growth and what to use when. Thank you for looking out for me - I don't want to fry my girls in flower you know.

My healthiest girl in flower has been fed no boosters, just basic veg and bloom.

I do believe keeping it simple is the best thing to do, but I love to experiment as well.

Again, thanks for looking out for everyone.

 

[CloudyAmberDay]

Hey IC

Hope everyone is doing well.

Small update of the 4 mains developing...

1st girl is blue kush from dinafem

second is purple parylysis from cream of the crop (same as cotton candy from delicious seeds lavendar x powerplant)

A shot of the purple paralysis, you can recognize it from the first page with the first set of leaves damage

Been doing a lot of reading lately, so much stuff I didn't know about.

ICMAG and the Members here have been by far the most educated and helpful compared to other forums I've been on. Just sayin'

Even if people's statements seem brash at time, they know what they are talking about and help out a lot.

Well update in another week.

Have a good week guys. Peace.



edit - will be giving them a light feed next go round - last feed was 1.4 ec/run off 1.2 ec. ph in 5.5/ph out 6.5(it keeps rising - silica?)... some are looking a bit dark...

added last pic Purple Paralysis about 2 weeks ago...

 

[CloudyAmberDay]

Hope everyone is doing well !

My girls are turning into little bushes, over a foot wide, time to flip the switch!

I have to say, I have been reading all these 6/9 threads and I'm very convinced about the nutrient profile and success.

I went ahead and picked up some micro and bloom.

Made a 5 gal batch, 30ML micro, 45 ML bloom. Came out to 1.6 ec. Diluted down to 1.3 EC and ph'd to 5.5

My run off was exactly 1.3 and ph finally dropped a little to 6.4 - last time I fed 5.5 and the run off was 6.8 .

So today is

Day 1 Of flower

Sweet. I wish I had put these gals in 1 gallon/2 gallon pots, there is so much wiggle room for those roots in coco.

Any who, here are a few pictures. Some of the keepers are

Cotton Candy (delicious seeds)
Purple Parylysis (cream of the crop)
Strawberry sour diesel (devil's harvest)

Here's a few pics for the journal - everyone here has been so educative and informative - been reading like mad!

Papaduc, snow crash, stoned40yrs, and stihgnobevoli to name a few have been very helpful - just reading their post from the past few months on different threads.

So shoutout to you guys and thanks for all the help - you guys don't have to put forth the effort to help people like you do, yet you do it

Had wayyyyy too much coffee last night, took pics of making the 6/9 batch. lol

Thanks for all the great info IC - Have a great weekend!

Peace

 

[Miraculous Meds]

Looks good, 5.5ph works and it looks like ur running it to get ur runoff ph to taper down. But I found 5.8ph to work a little better overall. I bet ur using ph down to get ur ph to 5.5 to, not a big deal but ur mix will naturally go to that 5.8-5.9 range without down so that will keep your npk in line that much better cause adding down adds p or k cant remember off top of my head. But keeping the npk right for cec in coco is important.

And ur in good hands with all these helpful experienced coco head.

 

[CloudyAmberDay]

Looks good, 5.5ph works and it looks like ur running it to get ur runoff ph to taper down. But I found 5.8ph to work a little better overall. I bet ur using ph down to get ur ph to 5.5 to, not a big deal but ur mix will naturally go to that 5.8-5.9 range without down so that will keep your npk in line that much better cause adding down adds p or k cant remember off top of my head. But keeping the npk right for cec in coco is important.

And ur in good hands with all these helpful experienced coco head.

5.8-6.1 is what I'm aiming for

My RO water starts at 6.4 with 0 ppm, as you know, ph is very easy to manipulate the less ppm's.

My nute mix drops down to 4.9~

Sometime I use silica from DG as ph up, sometimes I use ph up to balance out not using silica every time.

Thanks for stopping by meds, stay medicated

 

[Weeded1s]

I havent read through this thread yet (sorry cloud) but as a quick reminder to all ... feeding with a lower ph will help mag get through 5.6 or 5.7 and a highr ph 5.9 or 6.0 will let more cal through. I always aim for 5.8 so the coco can change it .2 points either way without taking out of ph range. Also if plants are eating up nutrients the ph in the coco will raise..and if its not eating as much the ph will drop. 5.8 gives you a cushion. 5.8 always unless showing deff. 5.8 ftw.

 

[Weeded1s]

Double post my b.

 

[CloudyAmberDay]

I havent read through this thread yet (sorry cloud) but as a quick reminder to all ... feeding with a lower ph will help mag get through 5.6 or 5.7 and a highr ph 5.9 or 6.0 will let more cal through. I always aim for 5.8 so the coco can change it .2 points either way without taking out of ph range. Also if plants are eating up nutrients the ph in the coco will raise..and if its not eating as much the ph will drop. 5.8 gives you a cushion. 5.8 always unless showing deff. 5.8 ftw.

You have that backwards

I'm just going to feed 5.8 and let it do it's thing

at one point run off was 6.8 - climbed for two weeks from 5.8

Thanks for stopping by guys, Have a great weekend!

 

[Weeded1s]

Im on pain killers super sorry for posting it bkwrds. Thats what friends r for right? Funny thing is i had it right and then I changed it (thats a lot of effort in my condition) hahaha
sorry again .. I hate when people do that. Imma go quietly lay down now. lol

 

[CloudyAmberDay]

no worries bro, hope you start feeling better.

have a good rest

 

[CloudyAmberDay]

did another 6/9 feed - diluted to 1.1 ec run off was 1.3 ec

will back off the feed some..

ph in was 5.7, ph out was 6.2 - ph is finally dropping

other then that, not much going on. Trying to let my blueberry amber up and a nanner popped out at me today

-the bud is falling over, so it's at a weird angle...

 

[Miraculous Meds]

whats the lineage on ur blueberry.

 

[CloudyAmberDay]

whats the lineage on ur blueberry.

apparently DJ short gave it to dutch passion who I've acquired it from. There is a quote on this forum. I have blue calyxes on that one and it really smells like blueberry muffins!

here's one of the many quotes - there is one from DJ - but this will suffice

Ha! You should have done a search before asking. There are plenty of threads on the subject. But you're lucky, because you actually came across someone that has grown both Dutch Passion and DJ Short Blueberry and will spare 5 min telling you about it (which means that I've got the potential power to shorten this thread with at least three pages of posts from people who have grown one but not the other, or simply heard something about it, or who are simply guessing).

As to your questions. It is the same strain in the sense that it is the same breeder that has developed and stabilized the genetics (DJ Short). It is not the same strain in the sense that the parent stock is not the same plants. If you ever grow Blueberry, you'll see that one plant rarely resembles another. This is to expect from a three way-cross (A Highland Thai also called Juicy Fruit Thai crossed with a first generation land-race Chocolate Thai X first generation land-race Highland Oaxaca Gold, crossed with an Afghani Indica that came to DJS from Afghanistan via California). Even when 'stabilized', you get so many different phenos that you never know what's going to turn up in a pack - and that goes for both the Dutch Passion and the DJ Short version.

There are actually three Blueberrys. DJ Short first worked out one version with Sagarmatha seeds, then moved on to Dutch Passion, and then developed his own line.
The Sagarmatha Blueberry is generally left out of the discussion because presumably they worked on it themselves (Sagarmatha has said that " After extensive breeding trials in Holland, the stability and growth patterns have become more consistent and predictable for growers", which probably mean they backcrossed it, but who knows?)
In any case, the Dutch Passion Blueberry is what DJ Short left them with (and is sold as 'Original Blueberry').
DJ Short's own line is supposedly from the original stock. I say supposedly, because the Blueberry was developed in the late 70's, and he worked on the following versions through the 80's and the 90's, so what's the original and what's not I don't know.
A rumor has it that when DJS left Dutch Passion, he scooped up some seeds and worked out his own line from there (which if true would mean that DP's version is the oldest original Blueberry around), but that's just hearsay so don't take it for more than a rumor.

As to the two versions, DP and DJS, it was more than six years since I grew DP and I scrapped all my notes on the grow, so my recollections are fragmentary. As to the DJS version, I grew it this spring. I'll have a grow and smoke report ready in a while that will fill you in on it.

The differences between the two are IMO minimal. My immediate reaction after finishing the DJS grow was that there was slightly more variety between phenos in the DJS version. As to differences in quality or potency, it is an open question, since every pack is unique and could potentially contain an elite plant. I'm very happy with one plant I found in the DJS pack, but to be honest, the others weren't worth it. As I remember it, there were less low yielding runts in my two DP packs, but none with all the qualities the one I had in the DJS pack, so what do you make out of that? Hard to say.

Most people will automatically advice you to go with DJ Shorts version. He bred it, so the logic behind that is follow the source.

My advice to you is; get two packs of DP (for the same price as one DJS), grow them all out, and I believe you have a better chance of finding a keeper. If you make seeds from them, you should have an even greater genepool to choose from.

Some phenos throw a few nanners late in bloom. I haven't had a single true hermie out of three packs of seeds, not excluding that someone else has though.

Whatever trait you find in DP BB you'll find in DJS BB as well. Mutations, leaf deformations, growth, yield, nanners, smell, color, whatever.

It IS the same strain.

 

[InNvBoarder]

What size pots are you in ?

 

[Miraculous Meds]

Very nice. I got a batch of dj's and Im gonna give them a run. Dp is Dj's genetics just selected from like 50 seeds he provided. He didn't select the parents but got to test the smoke and approved or something like that.

So Dj's line is different in that he selected his parent stock, and from a few more beans I believe.

Cant go wrong either way. So have u ran this one before, and if so, what do u think of taste, and high?

 

[CloudyAmberDay]

What size pots are you in ?

I should be in 2 gal I guess but all I had was 3 gal on hand.

Bottom inch is hydroton - rest is coco.

Very nice. I got a batch of dj's and Im gonna give them a run. Dp is Dj's genetics just selected from like 50 seeds he provided. He didn't select the parents but got to test the smoke and approved or something like that.

So Dj's line is different in that he selected his parent stock, and from a few more beans I believe.

Cant go wrong either way. So have u ran this one before, and if so, what do u think of taste, and high?

The high in one pheno is more cerebral and taste more like blueberries and smells somewhat like a blueberry skunk I guess...It's smooth and there's no "crash" from it.

They are both somewhat cerebral and euphoric for me - the one with blue calyxes (only on the main) taste more like blueberry.

I did not grow organic which could bring out the full flavor for sure.

used Dyna-gro FP, Bloom, Molasses. That was it. I would not grow it again though, I prefer something with more character/complexity. It was nice to try it though. It loves Nitrogen.