Blue Satellite x Sour Bubble (Blue Bubble); Death Star x Sour Bubble (Death Bubble)

[Elements001]

Yeah, you're probably right. Just sucks not having anything . I've clipped a couple smaller larfy buds for sampling, but it's so close to harvest it almost feels a complete waste to do it anymore. Maybe I'll go water her once more tonight since the coco should be pretty dry since yesterday.

Nah, I'll wait till tomorrow to water her. Let her dry out good tonight just in case of that damn botrytis threat (I honestly can't imagine having any this go, I just want to be cautious though and do as much damage control as I can if it is there somehow.)

 

[Elements001]

I think I figured out why I was getting bud rot. In doing the flush the way I did I think I had overwatered the shit out of the plant during a critical phase when it is most susceptible to the botrytis. I couldnt really tell it was overwatered since it was so late in flower.

Im starting to think that is also why they dont fade as much as I'd like. They get overwatered and basically stop everything while the excess water is worked out. I believe this also causes the plant to appeear as if it is ready when it still may need a few more days since it is not growing with the excess water, and already requires less that normal.

I am going to check and see how she looks tonight since I didnt water yesterday and see if there is some significant improvement in fading. If there is I will definitely wait until Thursday at least. If not I may just not water again and chop her tomorrow. I think I'm finally starting to grasp this shit and it will hopefully become more intuitive in the future.

I know when it is ready it's gonna be the best stuff I have grown to date by far

 

[Elements001]

bb update

bb update

I fo0und a bowl of bb thankfully and smoked it. This stuff is like a fine wine man. It's been curing about 2.5 months now and it has gotten CONSIDERABLY better. I loaded about 3/4 a bowl in the bong (all I had) and finished it in two hits. Was much smoother and had a nice mellow lemony taste to it. There was no real piney ness to it this time, I prefered that.

The high is really good too, wayyy stronger than I remember and way more sativa. Took a little bit to creep up but once it did I was shocked to find I was a little too high. Mind was going a mile a minute and felt my pulse elevated. Very very sativa feeling high. Have a hard time sitting down, gotta be doing something right now. It's not an overwhelming uncomfortable racy high, I just feel elevated and no couch lock what so ever.

This is really blowing my mind actually, it's like a completely different bud with a good cure. :yay:

 

[dansbuds]

I think I figured out why I was getting bud rot. In doing the flush the way I did I think I had overwatered the shit out of the plant during a critical phase when it is most susceptible to the botrytis. I couldnt really tell it was overwatered since it was so late in flower.

Im starting to think that is also why they dont fade as much as I'd like. They get overwatered and basically stop everything while the excess water is worked out. I believe this also causes the plant to appeear as if it is ready when it still may need a few more days since it is not growing with the excess water, and already requires less that normal.

I am going to check and see how she looks tonight since I didnt water yesterday and see if there is some significant improvement in fading. If there is I will definitely wait until Thursday at least. If not I may just not water again and chop her tomorrow. I think I'm finally starting to grasp this shit and it will hopefully become more intuitive in the future.

I know when it is ready it's gonna be the best stuff I have grown to date by far

straight coco & you won't have that problem
it handles saturation better than any medium i've ever used ! except DWC of course lol

 

[Elements001]

lol, definitely. What brand do you use there dan? I think it's about time I change it up anyhow.

When I bought my whole setup about a year ago it came with Botanicare's "Slacker" MOisture control formula coco. It's mainly coco, but also has some organics and some other shit.

Ingredients: CocoGro® High Pith Coconut Coir, Hydrolite® (Silica Based Rock), Rice Hulls, Perlite, Compost, Earthworm Castings, Bat Guano, Alfalfa Meal, Montmorillonite, Seaweed, Yucca Extract, Humic Acid, Trichoderma Fungi.

They also make an aeration formula, think that would probably work better if I were to stick with Botanicare. It's about $24 for a standard bag, I think it's either 1 or 1.5 cubic feet.

Im about convinced my lack of yellowing is due to the over flushing I was doing. After letting the db pot air out for 2 days I noticed considerable yellow as compared to the previous 3-4 days. Im starting to think that you gotta let the pots dry out more in the final flush to really get that nice fade.

Im thinking the less water in the pots the more the plant goes into survival mode and starts to cannibalizes the leafs for nutrients AND water. Maybe the fading of the leaves is more due to the plant searching for more water vs searching for food and it takes the nutrients along with the water in the cells?

I definitely feel like there was a large improvement in the 24 hour period form letting the pot dry out vs watering each day to run off.


Yeah, the more I think I really should be looking into a different coco brand. This slacker moisture stuff does seem to work quite well for my plants in the 1.5 gallons though. They would probably dry out within a few hours due to the plant being way to big for the pots if I used something else. But for my bigger plants I like to do, a different brand is looking like the best route for drainage.

I feel like I've been getting lucky with the 15 gallons though. It seems like the coco dries out enough by the next day I water that it's almost like a smart pot. I can see the coco separated from the sides on the pot and with all my fans there has got to be air flow going in there, pruning the roots up a bit.

I couldn't figure out why my massive plants in smaller pots that quite obviously should be root bound never were, and when I would harvest and inspect the roots after there would be 0 circling or root bound symptoms. Just some roots growing down along the side sparsely, but there is mostly coco on the outside.

No bugs chompin away at them either, I've all but eradicated the gnats (thanks again for the DE tip dan. I think it did all the work for me, barely catch any fliers on the cards. Actually stopped using cards their numbers became so few.) I was reading through the FUNGUS GNATS OR WINGED ROOT APHID thread and turned into a hypochondriac again, but luckily no RA. No bugs crawling around my roots thankfully.

The db#1 just gets these little white colors to her leaves when she first roots and starts to grow from clone. It almost looks like TMV, but I was ridiculed by others saying it wasnt. I dont really think it is TMV, it just seems to last while I have the newly rooted clones in 9 oz plastic cups, then once I get them transplanted to some 1.5's they "grow out of it."

It's kinda strange, but I'm not gonna worry about it unless I see it come back at a later stage or if the plant seems to not want to grow out of it. I'll snap a quick picture in case someone know what it may be. I was possibly thinking it looked like thirp damage, but I havnt seen any I believe.

Jesus, I can really get going off topic these days and write way to much lol. It's more notes for myself I suppose, sorry if I boring anyone with these presumptuous theories and observations.

I think I would consider myself an adept Novice now. Next step, Professional Novice, lol.

 

[dansbuds]

Yeah the slacker & justrightXtra brands do have some nutes in the mix , i've never tried them but have heard about good results using them .
i use straight coco no amendments , i use canna coco as my first choice but have used mother earths straight coco too & both are good to go right out of the bag . very clean & no rinsing or any of that shit needed .

Im about convinced my lack of yellowing is due to the over flushing I was doing. After letting the db pot air out for 2 days I noticed considerable yellow as compared to the previous 3-4 days. Im starting to think that you gotta let the pots dry out more in the final flush to really get that nice fade.

Im thinking the less water in the pots the more the plant goes into survival mode and starts to cannibalizes the leafs for nutrients AND water. Maybe the fading of the leaves is more due to the plant searching for more water vs searching for food and it takes the nutrients along with the water in the cells?

I don't know about the dry cycle helping , my pots stay saturated right from flip to flower till the day they're chopped . but i use coco .......

Yeah, the more I think I really should be looking into a different coco brand. This slacker moisture stuff does seem to work quite well for my plants in the 1.5 gallons though. They would probably dry out within a few hours due to the plant being way to big for the pots if I used something else. But for my bigger plants I like to do, a different brand is looking like the best route for drainage.

I feel like I've been getting lucky with the 15 gallons though. It seems like the coco dries out enough by the next day I water that it's almost like a smart pot. I can see the coco separated from the sides on the pot and with all my fans there has got to be air flow going in there, pruning the roots up a bit.

I couldn't figure out why my massive plants in smaller pots that quite obviously should be root bound never were, and when I would harvest and inspect the roots after there would be 0 circling or root bound symptoms. Just some roots growing down along the side sparsely, but there is mostly coco on the outside.

with coco you can get away with the smaller pots for bigger plants cuz of the way coco only uses what water it needs & expels the rest , keeping all that fresh o2 & nutes in the coco where the plants can use it . one thing with coco & roots though , is once the roots are established in the pot , you should never lt the coco dry out . thats where problems start . coco is a salty medium , cuz it comes from coconuts which grow by the ocean , so it retains salt very well also . but as long as the salts are NEVER let to dry .... they can't crystalize & build up to cause problems . so as long as the coco stays wet & you feed to runoff everytime & drain it off right away so the pots don't set in it ..... its a fantastic medium , but there are a few tricks to using compared to soils .

No bugs chompin away at them either, I've all but eradicated the gnats (thanks again for the DE tip dan. I think it did all the work for me, barely catch any fliers on the cards. Actually stopped using cards their numbers became so few.) I was reading through the FUNGUS GNATS OR WINGED ROOT APHID thread and turned into a hypochondriac again, but luckily no RA. No bugs crawling around my roots thankfully.

no problem bro .... glad to help

 

[Elements001]

Right on, thanks man!

I just recently started letting one of the smaller pots sit in some water in the run off saucer. I remember the hydro store guy saying it was ok to do that, but it didnt sound right to me then and never did it until recently.

I discard the initial run off then pour some plain water on the outside of the saucer to about 1/2 way of it's height. The pot was drying out quite a bit, just about to the point of no return when I first tried this. It seems to be OK, but I wont be continuing it in the future I think. It really doesnt feel right, but my lights come on at 7PM and I dont feel like getting up at 2 a.m. to water it again. I really do need a rez, hopefully by next year I can get one going.

You're right, the dry thing wasnt what was helping it yellow. I'm betting I just over watered her and she finally got back into that sweet spot after a day. I'm betting she'll look much better tomorrow and be just right by Thursday, if not a lot closer.

Thanks again Wildgrow, I'm very glad I decided to wait until another water. Definitely gonna be wayyyy better now

 

[Elements001]

Sweet Jesus! I just barely brushed the bottom of a bud while looking in between colas and you'd think I'd been making bho my finger was so sticky. Fucking insanely sticky, like all over my finger, almost feels like its rolling over to the other side. I am so excited man, this is really gonna be something special I think!!!!

 

[dansbuds]

Right on, thanks man!

I just recently started letting one of the smaller pots sit in some water in the run off saucer. I remember the hydro store guy saying it was ok to do that, but it didnt sound right to me then and never did it until recently.

I discard the initial run off then pour some plain water on the outside of the saucer to about 1/2 way of it's height. The pot was drying out quite a bit, just about to the point of no return when I first tried this. It seems to be OK, but I wont be continuing it in the future I think. It really doesnt feel right, but my lights come on at 7PM and I dont feel like getting up at 2 a.m. to water it again. I really do need a rez, hopefully by next year I can get one going.

You're right, the dry thing wasnt what was helping it yellow. I'm betting I just over watered her and she finally got back into that sweet spot after a day. I'm betting she'll look much better tomorrow and be just right by Thursday, if not a lot closer.

Thanks again Wildgrow, I'm very glad I decided to wait until another water. Definitely gonna be wayyyy better now

Yeah , in flower my pots only need a once a day feeding but by the time the stretch is over , they start drying out faster & they need another feed time added , some times i'm feeding 3 times during the light cycle to keep the pots wet . & yeah a rez & pump system is the way to go for coco DTW !!!

hell , i was just reading here that some guy was feeding his coco for 10 seconds every 30 minutes ! thats whats great about coco , you can feed it as much as you like once the roots are established & it acts like hydro buckets with the roots responding to all that fresh o2 & nutes .... the plants love it !!

 

[Elements001]

Kick ass man, love this stuff! Really glad the tent setup came with this (mostly) coco stuff. I'm really liking the results. It's a lot of work doing all the watering by hand, but I gotta say it has definitely been worth it each time chop comes around

 

[bugman52]

Really love them stems man.

This is my original Bruce Banner mom I'm flowering out right now as well. I've had this one for about 8 months+ and this is how thick her stems got. Nothing in comparison.

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nice fat trunks/stalks.

 

[bugman52]

Yeah , in flower my pots only need a once a day feeding but by the time the stretch is over , they start drying out faster & they need another feed time added , some times i'm feeding 3 times during the light cycle to keep the pots wet . & yeah a rez & pump system is the way to go for coco DTW !!!

hell , i was just reading here that some guy was feeding his coco for 10 seconds every 30 minutes ! thats whats great about coco , you can feed it as much as you like once the roots are established & it acts like hydro buckets with the roots responding to all that fresh o2 & nutes .... the plants love it !!

i use to feed my plants in coco ,15 min ,5-7 times a day.im down to 2 times a day.
when i was doing in soil , i never like to flush with water,my plants all ways looked bad ,like they were going to die from[over watering]

 

[Tonygreen]

I can't roll a j if I break up my DB or BB by hand. Too sticky!

 

[papaduc]

How's it going mate. The flush thing? Whether you get a pale is down to what you feed before the flush. It looks like you've gone over a bit on the food and that's why you will haven't seen the pale you wanted. Overfeeding also makes your buds more susceptible to rot, as will keeping the pots saturated. If the strain's susceptible to it, then you have to compensate for that with your methods.

What was the highest feed strength you went to on this grow, and what was it made up of?

 

[bugman52]

Pipe nugs.

I can't roll a j if I break up my DB or BB by hand. Too sticky!

 

[Elements001]

How's it going mate. The flush thing? Whether you get a pale is down to what you feed before the flush. It looks like you've gone over a bit on the food and that's why you will haven't seen the pale you wanted. Overfeeding also makes your buds more susceptible to rot, as will keeping the pots saturated. If the strain's susceptible to it, then you have to compensate for that with your methods.

What was the highest feed strength you went to on this grow, and what was it made up of?

Hey, thanks for stoppin by man.

I kept it basically the same as before. I believe the highest my E.C. went was maybe 1.5 (was adding cal/mag for weeks 3-5 since they were showing deficiency. 0.3 E.C for the cal/mag in R/O water, about 1.2 E.C for the feed, maybe 1.3)

Floranova Bloom 4.0 ml/gal
+Liquid Koolbloom 2.0ml/gal; 2 weeks prior to flush 2.5 mL/gal for two weeks
+Floralicious + 1.0mL/gal
1.3-1.4 E.C.

CALiMAGic 4.0mL/gal (only weeks 3, 4 & 5)
0.2-0.3 E.C.

Makes a lot of sense. The tips were burnt a bit, but I ended up keeping the nutrient mix the same since i use it for two different strains right now.

I really gotta stop being lazy and mix a different, slightly lower strength batch for the db. I got into a rhythm that was working well (probably becuase of the lower temps in winter letting the plant grow in a more optimized condition) and got afraid to change it.

I've been reading through some threads and saw somebody underfeeding trying to bring out color. I dont know why I am so worried/resistant to change. Overfeeding is just as bad as underfeeding

Next run for sure I am going to monitor my feed ppms in much more detail and get them where they need to be. I think I will be running 3 db next go, so maybe I will try a few different strengths and see which one she favors most.

It's really time for a change, I have barely been pulling decent crops the way I've been going. I think my feed is a big part of the problem. Guess I'll start by dropping the Floranova Bloom to 3ml/gal instead of 4ml/gal.

Leaves were really dark throughout, makes sense it wont fade with all that N built up. That and the bud rot factor, doesnt surprise me at all. Thanks again man, you really have a good eye for the things I overlook quite easily

 

[papaduc]

That sounds right. You won't need to go above 1.0-1.2ec of bloom feed alone on that strain. If you want to toggle at any time to bring more nitrogen in, adjust your feed by 0.2, but stay at 1.0-1.2ec overall, and drop the calmag! lol..

There's no need for more calcium or magnesium than there is in the fn bloom. Unless it's precipitated out of solution, which can be a problem with those nutes. Otherwise they are really good. I would use their powdered nutes maxigrow and maxibloom to give you the best results and know exactly what you are feeding. I think when nutes are mixed at that strength and diluted there's a good chance what's in your res doesn't exactly match up with the numbers on the bottle.

Can you post me a picture of the point where you thought you had a cal/mag deficiency and when you decided to add it.

 

[Elements001]

Not sure if I have any pictures, but I'l browse back through.

I just noticed in every strain I was growing that around week 3 of flower they start to show what looks like Ca deficiency (the little serrated tips on the plant fade and turn a reddish brownish color, looks just like Ca deficiency from the pictures I've seen). Never really noticed much of Mg deficiency, just looks like they get Ca hungry around that time.

I try to shake the hell outta the bottle each time. I double fist the damn thing and go up and down as hard as I can just like one of those shake weight things ("going to sleep mode...") at least 100x. I know there is stuff that is still precipitated, I have had it clog up my measuring pipette quite frequently.

Maybe I will switch it up to the Maxi, I've heard good things about it. I would love to just mix in a powder, very tired of the shake weight. I've heard of people using paint mixers for the FNB, kinda wish I had one right now.

harvested today

 

[Elements001]

Oh sweet Jesus, Halleljuajhgjaj and all that!

Oh sweet Jesus, Halleljuajhgjaj and all that!

63 Days, so very very VERY VERY glad I waited the extra 2 days.

Didnt get a complete fade, but what I have is lookin mighty fine. Managed to get some really nice mellow pruple that is honestly just really fucking pretty. Looks so much like a wild flower in the right light. I have a slightly better picture on my phone, I can upload it if anyone's interested.

Just has this really pretty pinkish purple fade to it.

 

[Elements001]

Took the better part of 3 hours to do it, but more than worth it.