One pass through the pump is fine for compost tea, stuff like spectrum extra etc., is fine , too ...
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Advancing Eco Agriculture, Product Science
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Luther Burbank
Definitely not USDA organic. I think the question is whether it's actually harmful even if the Howard/Rodale school of organics doesn't think it counts. Urea is naturally occurring but synthetically derived; 48% N by volume. The calcium nitrate is not organic but frankly I'm really interested in it as a fertilizer.
It cannot be certified organic. Neither can micro 5000 or pz 1000.
My opinion certified is an agreement between corporations and govt to keep out competition moreso than protect us. You can do zero and be certified organic and your food can have no nutrtional value at all. Thanks for caring but if it r eally matters allow me to figure out what I want. I personally have zero respect for govt or corps...fuck th both.
Does it hurt me microbes or not is my syou may feel differently and that is fine. Act accordingly
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CaliGabe
I dealt directly with OTCO for years and nothing to do with a corporation yet something to do with government considering they were inspecting per USDA guidelines. Over the years saw them demand more documentation and we had more forms to fill out and more supportive information to provide. Just another entity looking to support it's existence. The real bitch was dealing with the FDA and GMP issues. Someday soon coming to a canna garden near you or something close. That would probably be something like GAP and a Food Safety Program which I understand needs to be implemented by the end of 2015.
I think it's all bullshit regarding organic or not and for some to look to OMRI for support is lame. OMRI is a racket worse than an organization like OTCO. Think for yourself.
If it does not negatively affect the soil biota and worms it's all good. I know Kempf has/is used/using urea and makes it soil friendly by driving the lactobacillus to make it all work. Inject urea and some correct sugars and the lactobacillus make that urea all microbe/worm friendly. The dude is a genius.
Milky - True that. I agree most things organic are smoke screens, however just the phrase organic does hold some value. For example, no GMO foods can be sold as organic.
I know when I visit the farmers market I always ask the vender if they are organic. If they say yes, then I am game. If they say no, then I walk away. However if they say a similar pitch as milky just did to me, then I am more hesitant to buy than the full organic guy. Regulations are there to protect the public, it's just when regulator agencies decide who can play the game it becomes a problem.
With herb it's a little more forgiving for sure. Good weed is good weed to most people. I however stick to organic guidelines not for my self so much, as for the people I grow for.
I know when I visit the farmers market I always ask the vender if they are organic. If they say yes, then I am game. If they say no, then I walk away. However if they say a similar pitch as milky just did to me, then I am more hesitant to buy than the full organic guy. Regulations are there to protect the public, it's just when regulator agencies decide who can play the game it becomes a problem.
With herb it's a little more forgiving for sure. Good weed is good weed to most people. I however stick to organic guidelines not for my self so much, as for the people I grow for.
but what if you have genetic drift from your neighbors gmo corn that they grew in your garden pollinating your corn that you grew organically ...is it still organic corn ? no.
what you're missing bulldog is the bureaucracy and the history behind what constitutes CERTIFIABLE organic , and truly ORGANIC as in , an element found in nature...
and who cares about organic or conventional ...what about quality ? Like real quality ...like..nutritional value...
I don't want to get on the soap box...
what you're missing bulldog is the bureaucracy and the history behind what constitutes CERTIFIABLE organic , and truly ORGANIC as in , an element found in nature...
and who cares about organic or conventional ...what about quality ? Like real quality ...like..nutritional value...
I don't want to get on the soap box...
Like I keep saying, I agree. I agree you should be more concerned about nutritional value. I just select from organic sources, that's all. Jesh.
The answer to BYF question about GMO pollinating your crop and that being organic....the answer is no, and your now growing a crop that your not patented to grow and Monsanto is coming after you. Still not organic however.
The answer to BYF question about GMO pollinating your crop and that being organic....the answer is no, and your now growing a crop that your not patented to grow and Monsanto is coming after you. Still not organic however.
cannascholar
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What about a small sump pump to keep your tank mixed? I often have a lot of sediment/ Humic acid left in my tank after fertigation, aeas bottles can pour out quite thick. Nice reminder you're gettin a good value.
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Luther Burbank
Bulldog I think the frustration is that you can buy vegetables from someone who does jack shit and claims to be a permaculturist or some other bogus term that obfuscates their doing nothing, and their food will be certified organic and be entirely lacking in nutrition, but the guy who cared for the soil and raised his nutrition levels won't be because he used a product that's harmless but not certified. In my mind the organic guidelines should be there to keep our harmful pesticides and fertilizers which destroy soil fertility. They're more representative of Rodale's cultlike obsession with Albert Howard though. Not trying to gang up on ya, I think we're all just venting frustration with the system.
Got it Luther Burbank. What I don't think you guys understand is I hold my produce to the same level of standards as you guys. I just tend select what I buy from organic sources. Are all organic sources the best? No. Are organic sources better on average than non organic sources? I believe so. That is all I am saying people. Didn't mean to get everybody's panties in a organic bunch, lol.
I fully get what you guys are saying, and it is my own personal choice. Not saying anybody has to follow what I do, it's just how I get down. That's all. I think I found your guys sensitive spot.
Here is another example of why I stick to organic farming.....http://www.acresusa.com/the-myths-of-safe-pesticides
Not saying you guys are using chems like this, no way. Just saying if you have something labeled organic, then you don't have to worry about most of these pesticides.
Edit: You guys are also talking to somebody that has done hundred if not thousands of hours of research on GMO foods and Monsanto. I am involved with a grass roots organization against Monstanto, and have been against everything he has put on the ballets. I was one of the only people saying Cali should pass (i foget what measure now) the labeling of GMO foods. Everybody was telling me, "that will only increase the cost of food" and none of them understood who was backing the bill......Monsanto. Your guys point of view has not fallen on deaf ears by any means. Keep fighting the good fight people.
I fully get what you guys are saying, and it is my own personal choice. Not saying anybody has to follow what I do, it's just how I get down. That's all. I think I found your guys sensitive spot.
Here is another example of why I stick to organic farming.....http://www.acresusa.com/the-myths-of-safe-pesticides
Not saying you guys are using chems like this, no way. Just saying if you have something labeled organic, then you don't have to worry about most of these pesticides.
Edit: You guys are also talking to somebody that has done hundred if not thousands of hours of research on GMO foods and Monsanto. I am involved with a grass roots organization against Monstanto, and have been against everything he has put on the ballets. I was one of the only people saying Cali should pass (i foget what measure now) the labeling of GMO foods. Everybody was telling me, "that will only increase the cost of food" and none of them understood who was backing the bill......Monsanto. Your guys point of view has not fallen on deaf ears by any means. Keep fighting the good fight people.
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Luther Burbank
Oh yeah BD, I think we're all on the same page! I think for the most part I'd trust organic growers over traditional AG, especially when buying my food. The problem is both schools of thought are full of unthinking people who go with the flow. I appreciate people like Kempf who look at the details and forge their own path.
Just got off the phone with AEA, 1 gallon of Sea Shield is on its way to my door. They're super friendly and helpful over there.
Now do I hear you guys saying use 1cc per gallon for most of these products? That's something like 3700 gallons of spray per gallon, and at $17/gallon that's something ridiculous like $.004 cents a gallon.
Just got off the phone with AEA, 1 gallon of Sea Shield is on its way to my door. They're super friendly and helpful over there.
Now do I hear you guys saying use 1cc per gallon for most of these products? That's something like 3700 gallons of spray per gallon, and at $17/gallon that's something ridiculous like $.004 cents a gallon.
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CaliGabe
Depends on the product. Up to 1 oz/gal on some for foliar applications.
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DoubleDDsNuggs
due to Rejuvenate being unstable, has anyone tried making their own? on the msds it lists the ingredients (I'm assuming in order of highest to lowest) water, leonardite, magnesium chloride (sea water), molasses, yucca, and seaweed. I'm assuming there is some form of microbes in there as well because of it blowing up but couldn't be sure. just curious. some said that the recipe was tweaked so it was more stable but still has some issues. I was thinking of ordering products but I would not want to have 1/8 to 1/4 missing. then I can just use the rest of the product line. Thanks!
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Luther Burbank
The ingredients are all simple enough, but it looks to be one of those things where the whole is more than the sum of its parts. I doubt we're gonna be able to make that in the kitchen.
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DoubleDDsNuggs
I figured that there is something special in there that makes it better than something you can make yourself. I want to get photomag, pepzyme, and sea shield for starters. I have products already to substitute for the other stuff till I run out and will buy the remaining products instead.
Well, when you guys are right, your right. Got my soil and water tests back. From what I can tell, the water is perfect. PH could be down a bit but no cause for concern. Most PPM comes from calcuim and mg. Sounds good to me.
Now here is where you guys being right comes into play. I was warned that steer manure can be high is salts......Also, why are my organic levels low? 33% compost in that mix, seems low to me.
I would love it if everybody could chime in on what products I should be using from AEA. Looks to me like I don't need much besides calcium, problem is the high salt levels. Should I steer clear of products like sea shield? Please help a brother out.......
P.S. Pissed I spent extra money on "bio-dynamic" compost. Should have gone with diestel compost like boobs suggested.
Edit: I also need rock minerals, but how much? How do I apply? Can I just top dress or should I add to my teas?
Now here is where you guys being right comes into play. I was warned that steer manure can be high is salts......Also, why are my organic levels low? 33% compost in that mix, seems low to me.
I would love it if everybody could chime in on what products I should be using from AEA. Looks to me like I don't need much besides calcium, problem is the high salt levels. Should I steer clear of products like sea shield? Please help a brother out.......
P.S. Pissed I spent extra money on "bio-dynamic" compost. Should have gone with diestel compost like boobs suggested.
Edit: I also need rock minerals, but how much? How do I apply? Can I just top dress or should I add to my teas?
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