Diesel, OG Kush, Chemdog ... Cookies, GGlue, White ... More ? than Answers

[St. Phatty]

Diesel, OG Kush, Chemdog ... Cookies, GGlue, White ... Green Crack, Candyland, Silver Kush ... More ? than Answers


I added the Green Crack, Candyland, and Silver Kush, because I had a chance to grow & smoke them recently, and I thought they might be relevant.

I hear people talking about Lime a lot when they talk about OG Kush'es.

Green Crack didn't have the lime smell but I loved the high. They say it is Kush derived.

It makes me wonder about how Kushness and Sourness are interwoven in today's seeds. What is their connection to the Kush'es ? ... or perhaps they mostly just share a smell.

one definition of Diesel -
"Our Original Sour Diesel clone is the precursor to ECSD and the current Sour diesels out there... She was the first one to make what we know as Sour Diesel today. This clone is what everyone on the east coast thinks of when they think of sour diesel. Straight sour kerosine funk to the max. She smacks your lips then smacks you in the head. Great long lasting high with phenomenal medicinal properties." (from Cali Connection Original Diesel.)

I used GDP's (Ken Estes) defintion of OG Kush -
"GrandDaddy Purple Seeds used the Tahoe OG clone and crossed it with our stunning OG male to create a Kush masterpiece.
GrandDaddy Purple Seeds OG has a distinct hash-like flavor that stays on the pallet. Its unmistakeable pine/skunk-like aroma carries right through in the taste as well. This triple-threat combination of look, taste and smell makes this strain one of the most desirable and hands-down favorite among their patients."

Moving on to something related to Chemdog, I had a chance to grow Dinachem from Dinafem a few months ago -
"Dinachem is the latest version of the mythical elite clone ChemDog, in the seed form.
To reproduce and enhance its vigor, we have used an original clone and we have crossed it with a select clone of Guava Chem, injecting new energy and vigor, yet preserving its delicious flavor of authentic original ChemDog.
The ChemDog has an incredible pedigree, it is the mother of NYC Diesel, Sour Diesel and OG Kush. It´s an elite clone isolated in 1991, in the East Coast of the USA.
The clone is 21 years old and has lost a lot of vigor, leading to a declining production."

(Dinachem was a good smoke, but not as good as Green Crack, for me. They were both dank and skunky, no other smell stood out ... yet.)

I hear people talk about ChemDog being the hydro-grown version of this strain.


I did a search for "cookies, genetic, origin" here at ICMag. A thread about Endur's Cookies stood out -
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=251412&highlight=cookies+genetic+origin

Is there a relation between Cookies and Diesel and OG Kush ?


I could ask the same question about Gorilla Glue and the White. It sounds like the White is a unique strain which is sometimes crossed to a version of OG, Fire OG, to create White Fire, AKA Wifi.

I would love to find out more about the origins and history of all these strains, and how they descend from old classics like those from the Seed Bank, e.g. NL5 x Haze, IF they do.

It might read like The Bible, or a bedtime story. "In the beginning there was Hindu Kush, and Malawi Haze, and it was Good."


Well, perhaps we could file this whole post under the category of "Stoned Thinking".

 

[Elmer Bud]

G`day St Ph

When I read Male OG I switch off .
No such thing . An OG crossed to another strain is not OG anymore in my estimations .

"GrandDaddy Purple Seeds used the Tahoe OG clone and crossed it with our stunning OG male to create a Kush masterpiece.

Lemon Larry is another example . A Cross that keeps the OG tag . Great marketing . lol .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[JetLife175]

Green Crack is not akush at all but rather a Skunk Selection made in Georgia some years ago.

thats somewhat known as fact in the community.

 

[relic1981]

not to be rude but we should all know the origins of chemdawg/ og kush and sd. its been around for over 20 years and the "facts" are well established dud bought 2 ounces of "chemdawg at a dead show one ounce was seedless the other had several seeds"chemdawg" popped the seeds and it ended up getting polinated by a mass super skunk which became the riginal diesel, and so on. all you really need to know is this, chem dawg/sd/og are all from the same family og kush was a diesel plant that made its way west and became know as ocean grown kush, ie, og. sd and og are not identical nor is the chemdawg but all three of the originals look and taste related with the sd stretching a little more and leaning more towards the sativa side. og leans more toward the indica as far as growth pattern but is known for its heady high. great for pain and anxiety and depression. id smoke it for flavor alone. la affie is totally unrelated to chem/diesel. its just a super skunky afghani that was the first plant to be known for its kunky, fuely taste. dna 's la con is a good representation of that. totally different than of but has some similarities. then you get into all the og's, from sfv to fire og to jupitar. all essentially the same thing just tweeked a bit. i love the oure kushes which is really just a great pheno of og/chem. ive had more than 30-40 "og"/pk/chem/diesel plants pass through my growroom and i have to say some are more watered down than others, some have better vigour and yield better, some yield barely anything but the quality is so good, its worth it. my favorite right now is my wideleaf pk, daywrecker diesel , gg4 andtopanga valley pure kush. so tasty and cuts through any other meds effects.

smoking rainbows!

 

[St. Phatty]

Lemon Larry is another example . A Cross that keeps the OG tag . Great marketing . lol .

Side-stepping the marketing, it's great to hear about the history of the strains.


Speaking of marketing, "Vital Earth's OG Bloom" ... when I see something like that, I wonder if it's supposed to be a play on "OG."

(That particular product is a semi-liquid 5 gallon bloom booster.)

OG = Ocean Grown, Original Gangster - or both ? Which came first ?


Another thread @ ICMag, about "Cannabis Taxonomy Research" ~
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=203846

 

[StankyBeamer]

The chem family story is true, but there's speculation on the og ocean grown story. I've heard it came to cali from Florida labeled simply "kush" in the 90's and got tagged og and circulated. It's a chem relative no doubt, but deffinetly not a diesel cut or chem cut, most likely a real kush hit to one of the two Hence the density

 

[relic1981]

you might be right but if you look at older og cuts like the sfv its lanky, stretches alot and has skinnier leaves thann other og cuts its alot like original headband but stokier. this could be acounted for because its a sister to diesel so there would be some slight varience there. just like chem is different than diesel and headband, og is slightly different too but with those same unique flavours and undertones only found in the chem family. i have a true og vut and that did come out of florida (ithink its an og that was backcrossed to itself and really hits the nail on the head a far as og goes, imho. like i said you may be right but the true og story sounds alot like yours so that may be why. idk, so many og's going around.. genepool is definatly starting to get eatered down. thats why its important to keep alll those older dank og's and chems/diesels. i will give it to you, diesel is alot more like chem than og. it smells and tastes similar and grows similar. og is similar too just not as close if that makes sense..

 

[St. Phatty]

The chem family story is true, but there's speculation on the og ocean grown story. I've heard it came to cali from Florida labeled simply "kush" in the 90's and got tagged og and circulated. It's a chem relative no doubt, but deffinetly not a diesel cut or chem cut, most likely a real kush hit to one of the two Hence the density

The ocean breeze in Humboldt has a mysterious healing spell. I was camping there a few weeks ago, and someone told me about the negative ions from the ocean.

Side-stepping issues like bud-rot, I can't help but wonder if there is something special about that air that Cannabis plants like.

Possibly even something metaphysical ... which reminds me of Bio-dynamic composting.

 

[dank.frank]

Green Crack = Skunk x Afghan - leaning towards the afghan. No mystery there.

Gorilla Glue#4 = Sour Dubb x (Chem Sis x Chocolate Diesel). No mystery there.

The Chem / Sour Diesel, etc - are all documented with genetic information provided. No mysteries there.

All this thread says is you just don't spend enough time reading the forums.



dank.Frank

 

[JetLife175]

Green Crack = Skunk x Afghan - leaning towards the afghan. No mystery there.

Gorilla Glue#4 = Sour Dubb x (Chem Sis x Chocolate Diesel). No mystery there.

The Chem / Sour Diesel, etc - are all documented with genetic information provided. No mysteries there.

All this thread says is you just don't spend enough time reading the forums.



dank.Frank

Learn something new every single day. Had no idea GC had Affie in it. I just thought it was a old school random skunk selection. Makes complete sense though. thanks for that little tidbit Frank!

 

[HidingInTheHaze]

What is this? It's all so very incorrect.

It just goes to show half the time these seed companies don't have a clue what they are talking about.

 

[Stayfoolish]

It's the redwoods and the clean ocean air.

 

[St. Phatty]

Green Crack = Skunk x Afghan - leaning towards the afghan. No mystery there.

Gorilla Glue#4 = Sour Dubb x (Chem Sis x Chocolate Diesel). No mystery there.

The Chem / Sour Diesel, etc - are all documented with genetic information provided. No mysteries there.

All this thread says is you just don't spend enough time reading the forums.

dank.Frank

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=234671&page=36

just thought about this thread whilst perusing the Chemdog 91 pics thread. Seemed relevant.

Now if only we had smell-a-vision.