Vote NO to legalize cannabis....Or else

[shaggyballs]

I thought legalizing cannabis keeps all people out of jail?
I am confused if people still do hard time for 7 plants how can this be described as legal?

I am legal to have 7 plants here without fear of prosecution...but if I vote to legalize I will go to prison for 1-3 years.

What to choose?......what to choose?
Well I guess my vote is no!
I will pass on prison time for legal weed....is it me or does that sound silly?
I went to prison for the possession of legal weed??
Sounds even more stupid when you say it out loud to a friend.

 

[Seaf0ur]

The language of Colorado’s law says home cannabis gardens must be in a private locked, enclosed space. The reason is to restrict kids and pets from the growing cannabis. Colorado marijuana laws were modified this year with HB-14-1122. Now, Colorado Revised Statutes Article 18-18-406 (3) says that if someone under 21 lives at the residence, the cultivation area must be enclosed and locked. If no one under 21 lives in the home, the external locks of the home suffice in meeting the enclosed and locked requirement. If someone under 21 enters the home, the cultivation site must be reasonably restricted during the duration of the visit.

You can legally grow outside as long as the garden space is lockable and completely enclosed on all sides.

Update made June 11, 2014: The language of HB-14-1122 that clarifies “enclosed”:

“Enclosed” means a permanent or semi-permanent area covered and surrounded on all sides. Temporary opening of windows or doors or the temporary removal of wall or ceiling panels does not convert the area into an unenclosed space.

"non-permanent structures" and "removable wall panels" are OK'd... your hoop houses are good. provided your yard is fenced and locked.

 

[LSWM]

Negative on both counts. Those statutes clearly refer to activity off your property. As part of the state constitution, A64 overrides it all, specifically the part I quoted above. It is the higher order of law.

Sheesh.

No where in A64 sec 3(b) do I see anything which suggests manufacture of hashish to be legal, in your home or elsewhere.

 

[shaggyballs]

Also police can detain you for up to 24 hours I believe without booking you. In that time, and with the probable cause to search your hone, because you were clearly in violation of A64 growing outside, they now can book you on possession of more than 1 oz or any of the other ridiculous "regulations" you linked to.

I have seen the law weigh the dirt container and plant to determine how much weight you have!

Just 1 plant in a few pounds of dirt..= Prison time!

 

[Jhhnn]

Yeah, and claiming "enclosed and locked" doesn't have a specific statute, and therefore outdoor growing is legal isn't trying to make it fit your "argument and opinion."

"Unlawful seizure" isn't going anywhere in the courts when outdoor growing is CLEARLY in violation of A64. Outdoors is CLEARLY not an ENCLOSED AND LOCKED SPACE.

According to you, tailored to fit your argument. The law must have specificity for any person to be charged with violating it. It's not like there's a charge for violating what you see as the spirit of A64 at all. Link the statute & the penalty for growing 6 plants outdoors in CO to have a valid claim.

It's not clear at all that a 6' privacy fenced yard w/ locked gates isn't a "locked enclosed space", let alone a locked greenhouse within or even a hoop house.

Smell is immaterial. Indoor growers don't legally need to control smell at all, nor do greenhouse growers. Certainly not in Denver.

 

[Seaf0ur]

Keeping your entire harvest at home is covered in Article 18, Section 16 subsection 3(b) of the Colorado Constitution. You are allowed to keep the harvest from the plants, as long as your cannabis stays on the property where it is grown and is not sold.

Here’s the full language of the section titled Personal use of marijuana:

Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the following acts are not unlawful and shall not be an offense.

(b) Possessing, growing, processing, or transporting no more than six marijuana plants, with three or fewer being mature, flowering plants, and possession of the marijuana produced by the plants on the premises where the plants were grown, provided that the growing takes place in an enclosed, locked space, is not conducted openly or publicly, and is not made available for sale.

no limit stated.

 

[LSWM]

The language of Colorado’s law says home cannabis gardens must be in a private locked, enclosed space. The reason is to restrict kids and pets from the growing cannabis. Colorado marijuana laws were modified this year with HB-14-1122. Now, Colorado Revised Statutes Article 18-18-406 (3) says that if someone under 21 lives at the residence, the cultivation area must be enclosed and locked. If no one under 21 lives in the home, the external locks of the home suffice in meeting the enclosed and locked requirement. If someone under 21 enters the home, the cultivation site must be reasonably restricted during the duration of the visit.

You can legally grow outside as long as the garden space is lockable and completely enclosed on all sides.

Update made June 11, 2014: The language of HB-14-1122 that clarifies “enclosed”:


"non-permanent structures" and "removable wall panels" are OK'd... your hoop houses are good. provided your yard is fenced and locked.

This is amazing! Thank you for the clarification! Glad to see such laws/clarifications passed! Grey areas are nobody's friend IMO.

 

[WaittillIdie]

I thought legalizing cannabis keeps all people out of jail?
I am confused if people still do hard time for 7 plants how can this be described as legal?

I am legal to have 7 plants here without fear of prosecution...but if I vote to legalize I will go to prison for 1-3 years.
What to choose?......what to choose?
Well I guess my vote is no!
I will pass on prison time for legal weed....is it me or does that sound silly?
I went to prison for the possession of legal weed??
Sounds even more stupid when you say it out loud to a friend.

That's because it's not true legalization. What you have is a guise currently. True requires all 50 states to end it all at once which only the president or congress can do and then you will no longer have the issues stated above.

The language of Colorado’s law says home cannabis gardens must be in a private locked, enclosed space. The reason is to restrict kids and pets from the growing cannabis. Colorado marijuana laws were modified this year with HB-14-1122. Now, Colorado Revised Statutes Article 18-18-406 (3) says that if someone under 21 lives at the residence, the cultivation area must be enclosed and locked. If no one under 21 lives in the home, the external locks of the home suffice in meeting the enclosed and locked requirement. If someone under 21 enters the home, the cultivation site must be reasonably restricted during the duration of the visit.

You can legally grow outside as long as the garden space is lockable and completely enclosed on all sides.

Update made June 11, 2014: The language of HB-14-1122 that clarifies “enclosed”:

What ever happend to parents being parents and telling there kids not to and punishing them when they do. I don't have to do this to my stash of cases of beer I can keep openly in my garage unlocked. Pets? What harm has it ever caused to an animal. Infact it's good for worm treatment. So you have to fence in your 6 cannabis plants like fort knox? That's not legalization.

 

[Seaf0ur]

Last year, the legislature passed a bill that allows local governments to "ban the use of a compressed, flammable gas as a solvent in the extraction of THC or other cannabinoids in a residential setting."

make bubble... you're good

 

[Jhhnn]

No where in A64 sec 3(b) do I see anything which suggests manufacture of hashish to be legal, in your home or elsewhere.

Read it again- "processing" is legal on the property where the cannabis is grown.

 

[LSWM]

Keeping your entire harvest at home is covered in Article 18, Section 16 subsection 3(b) of the Colorado Constitution. You are allowed to keep the harvest from the plants, as long as your cannabis stays on the property where it is grown and is not sold.

Here’s the full language of the section titled Personal use of marijuana:



no limit stated.

I did end up going back and reading the text of A64 Sec 3(b). I see this is clearly stated. It does not clearly state whether manufacture of hashish is covered under "processing". Do you have any further clarification on this."

 

[Seaf0ur]

That's because it's not true legalization. What you have is a guise currently. True requires all 50 states to end it all at once which only the president or congress can do and then you will no longer have the issues stated above.



What ever happend to parents being parents and telling there kids not to and punishing them when they do. I don't have to do this to my stash of cases of beer I can keep openly in my garage unlocked. Pets? What harm has it ever caused to an animal. Infact it's good for worm treatment. So you have to fence in your 6 cannabis plants like fort knox? That's not legalization.

there are many "hazardous materials" they dont want around children... The issue is the classification that puts cannabis squarely next to heroin on the federal scheduled drugs list... That is what needs to be worked on now, while we got the door open...

Take it off that list and it becomes as necessary to regulate as a carrot.

 

[LSWM]

Read it again- "processing" is legal on the property where the cannabis is grown.

Now you are defining "processing" toprove your "argument and opinion." Please show me a specific statue that suggests "pprocessing" to include manufacture of hashish, bubble or otherwise.

I already quoted the specific statute saying you'll go to jail for it.

 

[Seaf0ur]

hash...

The Concentrate Production Safety Working Group, comprised of MED officials, physicians, law enforcement, food hygienists, labor representatives and pot business owners, posted the draft rules last month. Among the more interesting points:


Critical-fluid extractions would be defined as extractions that use a "hydrocarbon solvent," which includes CO2 extractions as well as n-butane, heptane and propane; other critical fluids may be allowed by the Medical Marijuana Enforcement Division at a later date. With the exception of CO2 extractions, all critical-fluid extractions must be done using a closed-loop system that recovers the gasses -- which means no more BHO made from disposable cans of lighter fluid.

All critical extraction facilities would also be required to have lab-grade vent hoods and exhaust systems installed. Glycerin, rubbing alcohol and ethanol are categorized as "solvent-based" extractions but would be treated much the same way as critical-fluid extractions with regard to producer and consumer safety.

Water-based concentrates would be narrowly defined as ice-water or dry-ice hash. The proposed rules also define "fat-based" concentrates, an interesting new phrase for things like pot-infused butter and edible cooking oils. Interestingly, the rules don't discuss dry-sieving and then pressing the kief into pucks -- arguably the world's oldest method of hash-making.

The rules would also codify just who can and can't produce each type of concentrate. Grow and dispensary licenses currently only allow water-based extractions, and even then, they must be conducted in a clean, designated area. To make BHO or shatter oil, though, shops will have to have a Marijuana Infused Products manufacturer license.

LINK

 

[Seaf0ur]

Also... you may now call Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.... LOL

NAACP backs bill calling for feds to respect states' pot rights

 

[LSWM]

hash...



LINK

I see nothing that suggests bubble hash can be manufactured by personal/home growers.

 

[WaittillIdie]

there are many "hazardous materials" they dont want around children... The issue is the classification that puts cannabis squarely next to heroin on the federal scheduled drugs list... That is what needs to be worked on now, while we got the door open...

Take it off that list and it becomes as necessary to regulate as a carrot.

What hazardous materials. I don't use any and if you do then it should be up to that person to take precautions to protect there children. When the children turn 18, cops are more of a hazard.

 

[Jhhnn]

Now you are defining "processing" toprove your "argument and opinion." Please show me a specific statue that suggests "pprocessing" to include manufacture of hashish, bubble or otherwise.

I already quoted the specific statute saying you'll go to jail for it.

Desperate, huh?

A64 does not specifically prohibit it, therefore it is *not* illegal. Processing means making it into any form the grower desires. Period.

Too easy? Apparently so.

A64 is not a trick bag. It is not a product of the legislature, but rather a citizens' initiative formulated by marijuana activists.

Obviously that's not true wrt other initiatives in other states. If it were, their proposals & laws would be different.

 

[Seaf0ur]

I see nothing that suggests bubble hash can be manufactured by personal/home growers.

They dont mention scissor hash or hand-rubbed hash either, I believe it is technically illegal to make concentrates because the law requires "sterile lab environments"

There are specific laws involving solvents, and their illegal use could potentially lead to charges of "arson" or "processing or manufacturing marijuana concentrate"

What hazardous materials. I don't use any and if you do then it should be up to that person to take precautions to protect there children. When the children turn 18, cops are more of a hazard.

True. I simply state that in the eyes of the law cannabis=heroin=hazardous or controlled material

It is classification we should fight... not quibble over legalization matters that would all disappear overnight if we get cannabis declassified entirely... which I believe should be everyone's goal.

 

[Jhhnn]

They dont mention scissor hash or hand-rubbed hash either, I believe it is technically illegal to make concentrates because the law requires "sterile lab environments"

Those aspects of the law apply to MMJ & Retail MJ, products available to patients or customers, not to personal growers.