Vote NO to legalize cannabis....Or else

[monsoon]

We "cheerlead" for our system because...well...we have one. No, it isn't perfect, but those of us who are adults know that it is better than what we had previously and is more lenient than the laws in the 48 other states and the laws we had here previously for cultivation.

the Feds again? The same ones who are coming to raid our home grows? If it were a political argument, I'm guessing you'd be the guy tossin in the Godwin's, right?

Seriously, dude. STFU. You have no basis or experience to even know WTF you are talking about other than your FEAR MONGERING. Fear over situations THAT DO NOT EXIST.

Those of us who LIVE here do not have that same fear. Sorry. YOU are the only person here predicting DOOM for all of us. via Federal involvement....ALL because we didn't set up a system you are CAPABLE of playing on a silver platter. Oh, wahhh. Grow the fuck up.

If you seriously think the Feds are gonna bypass the multitude of 100,000 sq ft grows in Denver to come to my house....or Jhnnn's house...or BOMBAY's house...or any other good person here who grows a 6 count...(or even if they are slinging bags..) you REALLY don't have a clue how things are here....at all. I have a friend who got popped last Summer with 140 plants 3 ft tall...and the county mounties called the Feds BUT THEY WOULDN'T COME BECAUSE THEY SAID 140 PLANTS WASN'T a LARGE ENOUGH GROW FOR THEM TO FUCK WITH. Get it? Even the county backed off/didn't prosecute. (they didn't have the funds to take it to court/weren't sure they'd win and said so openly!) This year he has 200 plants on the same plot of land.

YOUR self importance mode is classic..it takes a lot of growers down who THINK they are so important and bad ass they MUST be on the radar.... so then they do STUPID shit. My guess is that you got yourself busted in 2009...simply being you. LOL.

And again....even if the law were >somehow< to change (would take a vote of the people here)...I'll guarantee MOST folks aren't gonna unplug who have a home grow....just as many of us grew BEFORE the laws changed when we could lose our homes and go to prison for doing so.

 

[WaittillIdie]

monsoon: Perfect,what would of been perfect is if this dumb law never existed to begin with and you would not have to write feet dragging laws around it.

It's not so much the feds but dumb neighbors, thieves and local cops who are the one's to fear. Cops are the gov'ts henchmen.

This year he has 200 plants on the same plot of land.

Try the above anywhere else and you'll be sitting like Jeff Mizansky in Kansas.

 

[shaggyballs]

We "cheerlead" for our system because...well...we have one. No, it isn't perfect, but those of us who are adults know that it is better than what we had previously and is more lenient than the laws in the 48 other states and the laws we had here previously for cultivation.

the Feds again? The same ones who are coming to raid our home grows? If it were a political argument, I'm guessing you'd be the guy tossin in the Godwin's, right?

Seriously, dude. STFU. You have no basis or experience to even know WTF you are talking about other than your FEAR MONGERING. Fear over situations THAT DO NOT EXIST.

Those of us who LIVE here do not have that same fear. Sorry. YOU are the only person here predicting DOOM for all of us. via Federal involvement....ALL because we didn't set up a system you are CAPABLE of playing on a silver platter. Oh, wahhh. Grow the fuck up.

If you seriously think the Feds are gonna bypass the multitude of 100,000 sq ft grows in Denver to come to my house....or Jhnnn's house...or BOMBAY's house...or any other good person here who grows a 6 count...(or even if they are slinging bags..) you REALLY don't have a clue how things are here....at all. I have a friend who got popped last Summer with 140 plants 3 ft tall...and the county mounties called the Feds BUT THEY WOULDN'T COME BECAUSE THEY SAID 140 PLANTS WASN'T a LARGE ENOUGH GROW FOR THEM TO FUCK WITH. Get it? Even the county backed off/didn't prosecute. (they didn't have the funds to take it to court/weren't sure they'd win and said so openly!) This year he has 200 plants on the same plot of land.

YOUR self importance mode is classic..it takes a lot of growers down who THINK they are so important and bad ass they MUST be on the radar.... so then they do STUPID shit. My guess is that you got yourself busted in 2009...simply being you. LOL.

And again....even if the law were >somehow< to change (would take a vote of the people here)...I'll guarantee MOST folks aren't gonna unplug who have a home grow....just as many of us grew BEFORE the laws changed when we could lose our homes and go to prison for doing so.

You seem stuck on your views only....are others allowed to voice their personal thoughts with out you always telling them they have no clue ....when really it it you.


The feds could stop everything going on in CO. this very second if that is what they wanted....and if you mess with their tax dollars they will do just that .....history has shown this over and over.

If you research the emperor wears no clothes you will see why it is really illegal.

Do you think tax dollars made it legal in CO.
Or they did it cause 10% of the people smoke?
I think you are not seeing the big picture.
Do you think the Govt. will let any collectible tax slip through their fingers?

You folks always avoid the big questions and shout boogieman!
Or maybe all the links I provided were made up?
And the people that wrote the articles are on my payroll ..right!
Step back and look into the future....If you see it clearly,then you may not like what you see!

 

[LSWM]

Colorado e when people are like, I'd be happy with 6 plants. Well what about the rest of us who have family they also provide for. 6 plants of some chunky cheese I have will not yield much even outside. What about people who like a certain high quality low yield strain. 6 plants is like 2 weeks worth of buds for me lol. Also it takes 4-5 months to get a harvest and a cure. What about people who want to make milkshakes and edibles. It takes alot more than 6 plants.

Maybe it's what I like to grow. Maybe I like to breed and grow my own verity like the countless growers on here.One should not be forced to switch to a high yielding sativa just to get a pound per plant outside. Not only that there are other issues like weather,mold and pest in the long run that can drop your 6 down to 3 plants mid season.

What if you loose 3 plants late into the season. That means you wasted half your season growing 3 plants now. Until one can go out in there yard and plant 50-100 plants(of different kinds) without being harassed and threatened to have there home taken, then there is no good law until that happens. California,Colorado and Washington is surrounded by states living in a dark age oppression.

How hard is it to sign a paper, slam a gavel and yell legal for all 50 states. I could have it done in 10 minutes if I were president.

Why has it taken so long (since 1937) to repeal and terminate such an obvious bad law especially with all the mounting evidence as of late. I know why but the truth makes our heads explode. Maybe the 6 plant thing can be fixed like what the above stated with Colorado. I think California had a limit and it was raised to 99 but that took 10 years in a more progressive state. I don't have time for this feet dragging. Seems like I will be dead before all 50 states fix this mess. Just legalize cannabis and hemp, repeal the drug war and get it done and over with. Of course this will never happen in my lifetime. I just call'em like I see'em.

You cannot grow outdoors in Colorado under any circumstances. Any grow must have 4 solid walls and a locked door. This mean hoop houses are out. Vinyl as walls doesn't cut it either. It basically caters to large scale greenhouses only. Small time growers are stuck fitting plants into a smaller space where light penetrates through the roof of their greenhouse, thus drastically cutting the amount of usable floor space in small greenhouses.

 

[WaittillIdie]

LSWM: Thanks for the info. That just further proves my point. Why can you not grow outside? What are they so afraid of? Thieves I could see being an issue but this would not be an issue if it were legal in all 50 states. The stated above just sounds like prohibition keeps on rolling in another form in a guise. This is in Colorado too and look how much progress they made and still look at what needs to be changed. Meanwhile the other states around them can't even get a foot in. I could see this changing eventually in Colorado but how long for the rest of the states lol? 25 years a wait just to grow 50 plants in our yards.

 

[Jhhnn]

You cannot grow outdoors in Colorado under any circumstances. Any grow must have 4 solid walls and a locked door. This mean hoop houses are out. Vinyl as walls doesn't cut it either. It basically caters to large scale greenhouses only. Small time growers are stuck fitting plants into a smaller space where light penetrates through the roof of their greenhouse, thus drastically cutting the amount of usable floor space in small greenhouses.

Completely inaccurate.

From A64 sec 3-

(b) POSSESSING, GROWING, PROCESSING, OR TRANSPORTING NO MORE THAN SIX MARIJUANA PLANTS, WITH THREE OR FEWER BEING MATURE, FLOWERING PLANTS, AND POSSESSION OF THE MARIJUANA PRODUCED BY THE PLANTS ON THE PREMISES WHERE THE PLANTS WERE GROWN, PROVIDED THAT THE GROWING TAKES PLACE IN AN ENCLOSED, LOCKED SPACE, IS NOT CONDUCTED OPENLY OR PUBLICLY, AND IS NOT MADE AVAILABLE FOR SALE.

http://www.regulatemarijuana.org/s/regulate-marijuana-alcohol-act-2012

"Enclosed locked space" is not defined in the amendment itself. To my knowledge, there are no CO or Denver penalties associated with outdoor growing or greenhouses of any sort. Other cities may be different. I've searched diligently & repeatedly to find any. Perhaps you'll have better luck, but I doubt it.

If there are no penalties, it's not illegal. It remains undefined, with authoritarians trying to convince people to "follow the law" that doesn't exist. I'd consult an attorney before going in that direction.

As it is, nobody's getting busted for it, certainly not if they're compliant w/ plant counts. Cops need specific statutes for enforcement. They have to be able to fill in the blank in "You're under arrest for (blank)."

Look here for the (blank) possibilities-

http://norml.org/laws/item/colorado-penalties

 

[LSWM]

Jhhnn, you're playing both sides of the fence. On one hand you talk shit about the grey market in California and OTOH you claim that lack of penalties equates to legality.

Any cop could see your outdoor grow, of 6 plants, and tear it down and arrest you because it is,in his eyes, a violation of A64. It may get thrown out in court...

I think it is made clear hoop houses are not legal under A64, and if vinyl plastic siding counts as "enclosed and locked" I will be completely shocked.

EDIT: I guess "enclosed and locked" could mean a 10 foot fence and locked gates, but I somehow feel if you are within a quarter mileof anyone else that ssuddenly the smell alone would be considered to be "conducted publicly." Its completely grey area. To claim it is "legal" to grow outdoors because there are no "penalties" is absurd. A64 clearly states "enclosed and locked" to say that equates to legal outdoor growing is such a stretch. At least in CA there are precedents already set for most of the "grey area". I certainly wouldn't want to be the precedent set, and the one that goes to jail, for growing 6 plants outdoors...

 

[monsoon]

Sorry shag, all I have to drawn on are my experiences of 25 years of growing/40 years of smoking/possessing this plant and the views I've developed from watching all of this change radically over that time span.

I don't spend my time looking at the "what if's" or the "they are gonna's"...and that seems to be the HUGE difference I see between a lot of the "older" guys who have real experiences with growing/dealing/RISK for years before the laws changed and those folks here who speculate on the doomsday shit time and time again or who want all sorts of unrealistic concessions made for them so they can play the game whatsoever RISK FREE. Many act as if those who went before them have no clue how BAD things are in illegal states or make stupid statements like "the Feds are watching". Like this is a NEW game to those of us who have been doing this for decades here?

seriously?

Sorry if I'm not telling you what you want to hear. I'm just reflecting what I see and trying as best as >I< can, to weather the changes that have come on all of this.

 

[WaittillIdie]

Jhhnn: 6 plants in a greenhouse. Why does it have to be in a greenhouse< Why can't you just plant in an open area in your yard fenced in or not.

Again 6 plants proves my point. Look at how much progress and time it took and there still stuck with 6 plants only outdoor. How long do you think it will take for Colorado to change that to 50 plants in or outside? How long do you thing it will take all the rest of the states to then catch up to that? 25 years? lol

 

[LSWM]

Look here for the (blank) possibilities-

http://norml.org/laws/item/colorado-penalties

Oh I looked, and look what I found...

The cultivation of more than 6 but fewer than 30 plants is a Class 5 felony punishable by 1-3 years imprisonment as well as a fine between $1,000-$100,000.

The cultivation of 30 or more plants is a Class 4 felony punishable by 2-6 years imprisonment as well as a fine between $2,000-$500,000.

*sarcasm* Yes much better than California...

 

[LSWM]

Also I keep seeing you guys claiming you can possess in home as much as you can grow but that norml website says possession of more than 1 ounce is punishable offense. It says nothing about it being contained within your home. It even has specific public display laws...

Possession of more than 12 ounces is a Class 6 felony which is punishable by 1 year-18 months of imprisonment, as well as a fine between $1,000-$100,000.

 

[WaittillIdie]

LSWM: Wow! Looks like prohibition is still rolling strong in Colorado in a guise.

Also this I somehow feel if you are within a quarter mileof anyone else that ssuddenly the smell alone would be considered to be "conducted publicly.

What a load of shit.I gotta put up with all mankinds pollution from there cars and trucks, chemicals of various sorts, dumping,ect.ect. But the sweet smell of cannabis is the nuisance. Sounds like unjust reason to harass your neighbor there neighbor they don't like.

The pollution from the cars would not be a problem if they were burning hemp fuel cause it burns clean.

 

[shaggyballs]

Sorry shag, all I have to drawn on are my experiences of 25 years of growing/40 years of smoking/possessing this plant and the views I've developed from watching all of this change radically over that time span.

I don't spend my time looking at the "what if's" or the "they are gonna's"...and that seems to be the HUGE difference I see between a lot of the "older" guys who have real experiences with growing/dealing/RISK for years before the laws changed and those folks here who speculate on the doomsday shit time and time again or who want all sorts of unrealistic concessions made for them so they can play the game whatsoever RISK FREE. Many act as if those who went before them have no clue how BAD things are in illegal states or make stupid statements like "the Feds are watching". Like this is a NEW game to those of us who have been doing this for decades here?

seriously?

Sorry if I'm not telling you what you want to hear. I'm just reflecting what I see and trying as best as >I< can, to weather the changes that have come on all of this.

I can appreciate where you are coming from keep voicing your opinion even if people like me do not like it!

 

[LSWM]

It is illegal to distribute, manufacture, transfer, or possess with intent to distribute any amount of hashish or extracts. If the amount of hashish or concentrates is less than 1 pound then it is a class 5 felony. A class 5 felony is punishable by a fine between $1,000 and $100,000 and a term of imprisonment between 1 and 3 years.

Making bubble hash at home is apparently illegal as well. Punishable by a minimum sentence of 1 year imprisonment and $1,000.

You've got to be joking...

 

[shaggyballs]

Was this posted in error?

The cultivation of more than 6 but fewer than 30 plants is a Class 5 felony punishable by 1-3 years imprisonment as well as a fine between $1,000-$100,000.

Just 1 plant over and 1-3 yrs in prison..... is that what legalization holds for us????
You may get less time in a state that has not legalized.

 

[Jhhnn]

Jhhnn, you're playing both sides of the fence. On one hand you talk shit about the grey market in California and OTOH you claim that lack of penalties equates to legality.

Any cop could see your outdoor grow, of 6 plants, and tear it down and arrest you because it is,in his eyes, a violation of A64. It may get thrown out in court...

He'd have to book me for something at the station, something specific, like violation of 18-18-406(5-7) of the Colorado Revised Statutes. If he can't do that, he knows better than to try to arrest me. Tear down the grow? Maybe, but it opens up the dept to lawsuit for unlawful taking. What's he going to say on the report?

[quoteI think it is made clear hoop houses are not legal under A64, and if vinyl plastic siding counts as "enclosed and locked" I will be completely shocked.

EDIT: I guess "enclosed and locked" could mean a 10 foot fence and locked gates, but I somehow feel if you are within a quarter mileof anyone else that ssuddenly the smell alone would be considered to be "conducted publicly." Its completely grey area. To claim it is "legal" to grow outdoors because there are no "penalties" is absurd. A64 clearly states "enclosed and locked" to say that equates to legal outdoor growing is such a stretch. At least in CA there are precedents already set for most of the "grey area". I certainly wouldn't want to be the precedent set, and the one that goes to jail, for growing 6 plants outdoors...[/quote]

See, you're trying to define "locked enclosed space" to fit your argument & opinion. That's a matter for the courts, and won't even be approached other than through specific statutes. I can't find any such statutes. If they exist, they're well hidden.

 

[LSWM]

Was this posted in error?

The cultivation of more than 6 but fewer than 30 plants is a Class 5 felony punishable by 1-3 years imprisonment as well as a fine between $1,000-$100,000.

Just 1 plant over and 1-3 yrs in prison..... is that what legalization holds for us????
You may get less time in a state that has not legalized.

Not a typo.

Jhhnn posted the link to Norml's regulations and penalties in order to show that outdoor growing was "legal" because it lacked specific "penalties." I just started reading and quoting it.

Heres the link again: http://norml.org/laws/item/colorado-penalties

 

[LSWM]

See, you're trying to define "locked enclosed space" to fit your argument & opinion. That's a matter for the courts, and won't even be approached other than through specific statutes. I can't find any such statutes. If they exist, they're well hidden.

Yeah, and claiming "enclosed and locked" doesn't have a specific statute, and therefore outdoor growing is legal isn't trying to make it fit your "argument and opinion."

"Unlawful seizure" isn't going anywhere in the courts when outdoor growing is CLEARLY in violation of A64. Outdoors is CLEARLY not an ENCLOSED AND LOCKED SPACE. Outdoors is also generally regarded as within public view as well.

 

[Jhhnn]

Also I keep seeing you guys claiming you can possess in home as much as you can grow but that norml website says possession of more than 1 ounce is punishable offense. It says nothing about it being contained within your home. It even has specific public display laws...

Making bubble hash at home is apparently illegal as well. Punishable by a minimum sentence of 1 year imprisonment and $1,000.

You've got to be joking...

Negative on both counts. Those statutes clearly refer to activity off your property. As part of the state constitution, A64 overrides it all, specifically the part I quoted above. It is the higher order of law.

Sheesh.

 

[LSWM]

Also police can detain you for up to 24 hours I believe without booking you. In that time, and with the probable cause to search your hone, because you were clearly in violation of A64 growing outside, they now can book you on possession of more than 1 oz or any of the other ridiculous "regulations" you linked to.