Mk V Terpenator

[Lrg707]

Hey gray wolf. I've been reading up on the different terp designs and I've come to the conclusion of choosing between the iii and the v. I was just wondering how long the overall process for the v takes? I believe I read that you can process roughly 600 grams in an hour with the iii, so I was looking for some comparative results with the v. Also, when ordering the parts for either the iii or v, how long has shipping taken for the items that require online purchase? Ideally I'd start to order all the parts after the holidays in hopes of completing before the first of February. Is that a reasonable timeframe?


Thanks for any information, as well as the vast amount of knowledge that you guys keep pumping out. Happy holidays!

 

[Gray Wolf]

Hey gray wolf. I've been reading up on the different terp designs and I've come to the conclusion of choosing between the iii and the v. I was just wondering how long the overall process for the v takes? I believe I read that you can process roughly 600 grams in an hour with the iii, so I was looking for some comparative results with the v. Also, when ordering the parts for either the iii or v, how long has shipping taken for the items that require online purchase? Ideally I'd start to order all the parts after the holidays in hopes of completing before the first of February. Is that a reasonable timeframe?


Thanks for any information, as well as the vast amount of knowledge that you guys keep pumping out. Happy holidays!

Depends on what you are making. The current Mk V test sled is making cotton candy, which takes about four times as long as making decarboxylated oil for oral consumption. We've never turned it wide open for oil, so the 4X is just an estimate based on the Mk I & III's.

Making cotton candy, we currently have the Mk down to two hours for a four flood cycle, processing about 5 lbs of material per run, with dual TR-21 recovery pumps. The Haskel pump arrives in late January, and will ostensibly be faster.

That would make 30 minutes the theoretical fastest floor to floor time and two hours the best times as currently configured and operated.

Availability of parts from Glacier tank has turned out to be a crap shoot, but your best gamble within the schedule you covet.

For the Terpenators they project manage, WolfWurx is in the final stages of setting up what ostensibly is a more direct and reliable parts network from China, which will make air freighted parts cheaper than current retail and except for delays at Customs, is ostensibly more predictable.

By the time the prototypes are received and approved, and the bulk order released and received, February is probably optimistic.

 

[Permacultuure]

Hey GW!
The test sled is running four floods per column? I'm running mk v's cut in half, one column one 12x12 spool, and have been doing two continuous floods yet I'm realizing I need to utilize the solvents full potential and several individual floods might be best.

I'm waiting on temp controller for heating jackets but was planning on not applying any heat until the column has fully dumped, right?

Thanks for all you do!! Can't wait for the endocannabinoid lecture!

Thanks for all your knowledge! Can't wait til the endocanna lecture!!

 

[Permacultuure]

Hey GW!
The test sled is running four floods per column? I'm running mk v's cut in half, one column one 12x12 spool, and have been doing two continuous floods yet I'm realizing I need to utilize the solvents full potential and several individual floods might be best.

I'm waiting on temp controller for heating jackets but was planning on not applying any heat until the column has fully dumped, right?

Thanks for all you do!! Can't wait for the endocannabinoid lecture!

Thanks for all your knowledge! Can't wait til the endocanna lecture!!

whoops
Not a keyboard warrior over here

 

[nakadashi]

What exactly is this "cotton candy" that you keep mentioning? Is it a product that shatters into dusty/glittery substance or something else?

 

[Gray Wolf]

Hey GW!
The test sled is running four floods per column? I'm running mk v's cut in half, one column one 12x12 spool, and have been doing two continuous floods yet I'm realizing I need to utilize the solvents full potential and several individual floods might be best.

I'm waiting on temp controller for heating jackets but was planning on not applying any heat until the column has fully dumped, right?

Thanks for all you do!! Can't wait for the endocannabinoid lecture!

Thanks for all your knowledge! Can't wait til the endocanna lecture!!

We are currently having the best luck with two standard flood cycles, followed by two where the column is dumped from the bottom and reflooded. I will be adding modifications so that the Mk V floods from both directions, for a final flush with fresh butane from the top.

Roger that. The column heat goes on as soon as the dump valve is opened after the final flood. The Mk V is also plumbed so as to be able to isolate the columns from the tank and both vacuum and recover separately.

I am favorably impressed with the Mypin TA-4 RNR self learning PID temperature controllers that I picked up on sale from Rakuten for $26 ea. I like the same model better, that provides a miliamp output, instead of just contacts.

Based on the way they program, I suspect they are the controls supplier to Across International vacuum ovens.

 

[Gray Wolf]

Lu lu lu lu lu lu lu lu lu lu lu lu lu lu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

The Mk VA is alive, it's alive!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Hee, hee, hee, second flawless automatic run in a row. The first was a cleaning run using spent material, but the second run was for product.

There are now both an automated and a manual Mk V in the field doing beta testing, the automated one already incorporating some of the changes developed using the manual one.

Both beta units were built at costs, just to develop the designs on zero budget, and I let the manual Mk V beta prototype owner make the first production run on the automated unit. The actual owner lives in southern Oregon, and asked for a good shakedown before picking it up, so we'ns are having our way with the purdy lady. Hee, hee, hee...............

Because of insurance issues bringing electronics support folks into the shop at the equipment fabricators, I had to bring her home to finish the electronics in my garage. Now I get my garage back as well. Awhooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!1

Those of ya'll wishing to build one of your very own, parts for the Mk V came from Glacier and Paramount Supply, with the electronics built by Pacific Semiconductor Inc in Portland.

 

[Gray Wolf]

And the beat goes on.......

Of course it doesn't stop there, the Mk VB Chinese built prototype has arrived and looks good.

It has additional features, like having circuit to flush the columns from the top after dumping, as well as recovering the columns separately from the pot. Snicker, snark, snort..........

 

[theJointedOne]

mad scientist stuff lol

 

[Gray Wolf]

Oops! Wrong thread

 

[tiki84626]

Hey Wolf,
The MKVB is looking pretty sweet. How do I get in contact with you about purchasing one? Thanks!!

 

[MOneYMiKe]

Excellent stuff GW!

 

[Gray Wolf]

Some pictures of the Mk VB beta prototype at shipping. Installation and shakedown yesterday, with Beta testing today.

It uses owner supplied Gast and Promax 6000, and is the first to use the auxiliary heat exchanger, which has reduced tank pressure 100 psi.

Note the 240 VAC plug, as it has the two motors on separate 120VAC circuits. Also note the thermocouple in the pot and the lighted sight glass.

Also some pictures of one of the two automated Mk VA2 currently going together. More when they ship later this month.

Both the Mk VB and V2A's have thermocouples in both the collection pot, and the storage tank bath, and PID controllers on both columns and the pot heat mats.

They also both flood from both directions and recover the columns separately from the pot and are equipted with both a 720 psi sight glass, and pressure relief valves on both the pot and the columns.

The Mk VA2's both use a Haskel pneumatic recovery pump.

PS: The Mk V has now been certified by a Registered Professional Mechanical Engineer to meet ANSI and ASME, so all ya'll DIY kit builders have a sound foundation to expand from. Bon appetite.

 

[Permacultuure]

What a beauty!! My gast is set to arrive mon or tuesday. Looking to have wolf worx setup a gast/promax mounted frame for my stone age MK V, whats the best wat to contact wayward, assuming he is the one handling work orders for wolf wurx. Thanks GW!!

 

[Pure777Extracts]

Okay so the other day I was just to dabbed out when I ordered my 12 inch clamp and accidentally ordered Standard one, is it necessary to have high-pressure clamp ?

 

[Chonkski]

Okay so the other day I was just to dabbed out when I ordered my 12 inch clamp and accidentally ordered Standard one, is it necessary to have high-pressure clamp ?

Yes, that will be a must

 

[Pangea]

and torque to spec! Safety first!

 

[Gray Wolf]

What a beauty!! My gast is set to arrive mon or tuesday. Looking to have wolf worx setup a gast/promax mounted frame for my stone age MK V, whats the best wat to contact wayward, assuming he is the one handling work orders for wolf wurx. Thanks GW!!

Check PM.

 

[Dab Strudel]

Im building a simple mkv and I'm wondering if I can either free flow top shower both columns together and let them drain together or if I can let the first column drain as I'm free flowing my top shower on the second column. I'm not sure if it will cause a mix up as to where the tane will want to go or pressures causing flow issues. My dream is to flood both columns at the same time, switch bottom chambers to do a quick second wash in a separate container before heating the column and deterring the tane to a third 6x6 to catch the "edible quality" oil with the rest of my tane. I'm going to run 3x36 columns and my chambers will be 10x12 spool with a 6x6 spool welded to the lid to get 4 columns ran full term quick before harvesting. Trying to get a decent speed in my days work so I can start my 4 light, 4 plant dwc xD

 

[Gray Wolf]

Im building a simple mkv and I'm wondering if I can either free flow top shower both columns together and let them drain together or if I can let the first column drain as I'm free flowing my top shower on the second column. I'm not sure if it will cause a mix up as to where the tane will want to go or pressures causing flow issues. My dream is to flood both columns at the same time, switch bottom chambers to do a quick second wash in a separate container before heating the column and deterring the tane to a third 6x6 to catch the "edible quality" oil with the rest of my tane. I'm going to run 3x36 columns and my chambers will be 10x12 spool with a 6x6 spool welded to the lid to get 4 columns ran full term quick before harvesting. Trying to get a decent speed in my days work so I can start my 4 light, 4 plant dwc xD

The you can top flood both columns about half as long as you can one at a time, before reaching upper limits.

Rule Number 1. The limitation on how much and how fast you can flood a Mk V system, is the size of your lower catch container and recovery speed, versus the rate you are flooding.

You have to keep the violently bubbling pool of liquid away from the pump intake, so as not to aspirate liquid into the pump. I prefer to use a minimum of 6" clearance, and with highly enriched material, that can be cutting things short, as the full 12" tall chamber fills with cotton candy under vacuum.

How efficiently you are "top showering" a column, is a function of the diameter of the orifice the butane is flowing into the column from, vis a vis the diameter of the column.

A 1/4" to 3/8" orifice in the center of a 2 to 4" column will not wash the material immediately adjacent to the injection port, as thoroughly as that in the center and even the sides further down the column.

Gravity flows mostly take the path of least resistance, so don't wet the sides of the column, where there is more resistance to flow, as thoroughly as the easy path it finds through.

Besides the obvious issue of gas venting, another prime reason that I prefer to bottom flood and top rinse to glean the residuals.

What I miss in residuals from a thin film of the last wash, is small compared to what I miss top showering alone, without over washing.

If your bragging rights credits are for museum quality shatters and waxes, and you are not willing to give up yield, consider putting a tee at the bottom and use dual valves and collection pots to separate the wash for museum quality and that for medibles.

Certainly you can dump one column and flood another at the same time, as long as you obey rule Number 1.

Getting more pump has its limits, as does more surface area for boiling, because of falling pressure ratings in sanitary connections as they grow larger.

The long part of the process is recovery. Our best dual cycle run with a Mk VA2, was 2 hours and 11 minutes, about 12 minutes of that time was flood and rinse/dump even the dual 4" X 36" column.

If you cut that flood time 99%, it would still take a couple hours to run dual cycle runs. That is why I have personally elected to not compromise on my control of flooding, and focusing process improvement on faster recovery.

We cut cycle time by about a third using a DI/ISO heat exchanger, and expect to cut it further once the N2 is hooked up to that system.

I envisioned the dual columns on the Mk V design, as a way for a commercial operator to swap columns while running the other one, so as to never have to shut down.

It also gives them the option to load 5 to 7# of material at one time, so as to minimize how many times they have to attend to loading. All her owners describe her as an animal and a beast.

For smaller columns and speed, a manual Mk IV is faster, and a Mk IV design, built on a Mk V 12" base, would be faster yet.

Too little heavy to be horsing around all day without having the superstructure supported for most of us'n man childs or sister women, but with a cart it would be faster than a 10" Mk IV.