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Defoliation Experiment on NYCD
- Thread starter hempfield
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Defoliated plants with more leaves than undefoliated plants? I think I'm confused.
Ont_Grow_Guy
Member
Very interesting thread. thanks for doing a test of this method for us to see.
I rarely remove fan leaves unless they block major light, but ive talked with a few great growers that swear by defoliating.
appreciate you putting this up!!
I rarely remove fan leaves unless they block major light, but ive talked with a few great growers that swear by defoliating.
appreciate you putting this up!!
Great thread Hemp and well done i mentioned earlier that appeared that un touched plants buds looked bigger, and also by defoilating it also slowed bud growth and plant turned into re prouducing leaf and it appears it produced more leaf hahaha
Also i think people get fouled into thinking that they see more buds from defoiled plant and again its going to be small compared to non touched
looking forward to seeing dried weights
Also i think people get fouled into thinking that they see more buds from defoiled plant and again its going to be small compared to non touched
looking forward to seeing dried weights
Yup looks like plant made double just incase someone tried cutting them off lol yup plants defense defense system working at its finest
Scrappy-doo
Well-known member
Not to hate, but when people defoliate correctly they don't do it like this. Stripping all your leaves 20 days into flowering... I don't know what other outcome you would expect.
The time to defoliate drastically like that is in veg so the plant can have time grow more leaves. It's gonna have to veg longer but will have tighter node spacing and bush out more.
If you're gonna defoliate in flower you don't take them all at once you take off only a few a day where you see a fan leaf is blocking another budsite. I do this in flower and get awesome results.
The time to defoliate drastically like that is in veg so the plant can have time grow more leaves. It's gonna have to veg longer but will have tighter node spacing and bush out more.
If you're gonna defoliate in flower you don't take them all at once you take off only a few a day where you see a fan leaf is blocking another budsite. I do this in flower and get awesome results.
Apache Kush
Member
Well ok ...
So Im subscribing to the, wasted energy into making new leaves and plants having less energy for buds comments.
Seems like a massive defoil is best in vegging plants, Learned somthing new tonight i think.
Thanks for the details and good thread, be checking back soon.
Are you going to post dry weight?
So Im subscribing to the, wasted energy into making new leaves and plants having less energy for buds comments.
Seems like a massive defoil is best in vegging plants, Learned somthing new tonight i think.
Thanks for the details and good thread, be checking back soon.
Are you going to post dry weight?
hahaha Time to grow more leaves and best thing of all is it has to veg longer ok that really sounds like great idea lets waste energy , plant food costs pretty much waste your time by doing this right ???? owe and tighter node spacing ???? yea think most of the defoiled plants i see appear not to have that tight of nodes as buds are not big but yea do get a ton of small ones B grade
But getting back to defoiled plant needs longer veg period here is some food for thought
do a test side by side one untouched plant Vegged Exactly same amount of time that it takes that pour little defoiled plant to get out of stress mode and grow again
I would place bets that the un defoiled plant and lets not forget vegged exactly same amount as the defoiled plant will be 2 - 3 times bigger meaning it will yield 2 - 3 times more
just a matter of time before the Defoilers would pop in here and say was probably strain related . or it was not done right hahaha just FAWKING amazes me really i am really curious how long ??? and what kind of yield ?????? if its anything under a pound dry per plant then your wasting your fawking time really you are
Hemp did a great experiment unbiased one and pretty sure he started stripping in veg as well but what ever
it clearly shows the defoiled plant used lots of energy to what ?? re create the very thing it had in the first place prior stripping thus telling any real smart person that this defoiling is not a really good idea in the first place i guess if you wanted a plant to slow down in growth on purpose ??? It takes lots of time from start to finish to get a grow done why pro long it is again beyond me
Scrappy-doo
Well-known member
Not gonna argue with it taking longer to veg it absolutely does. And for the most part I don't do extreme defoliation like the OP, although I have done so before and if I were to again it would absolutely be in veg not flower. But yes there is no question it will take longer to veg. If I defoliate like that in veg it is for the very reason you are saying, to slow down veg growth on purpose. Often times there is a line to get into the big girl room.
But most of my defoliating is not in veg it is in flower. 3-4 leaves every day or 2 starting on day 1, where I see they are blocking light to other branches behind them (in a vert setup). This way most of the plant is allowed to continue to grow as usual including the parts that would otherwise grow slower because they're in the shade. The defoliated parts will be stunted a little and stay shorter but will still give fat chunky buds, filling in the lower portion of the plant where larf normally is found. The result is a plant covered in dense buds from top to bottom. that plant will be a little smaller than otherwise, but the yield will be comparable or slightly better than if I had done nothing.
Some people would say 'what's the point if it yields about the same?'
But the thing is I have a smaller plant that will yield like a bigger plant with quality buds from top to bottom. Smaller is better because it gives me more room to put another plant in there and get more out of the limited flowering space I have. It's all about maximizing your space and for the amount of space that plant will take up the yield is much much better. So yes you will have to, or IMO you GET to, put more plants into the flower room thus increasing yield.
I know my post was kinda argumentative but it's just how I see it. I would never strip a plant to the extreme like that 20 days into flowering it just doesn't work. The time to do something like that is in veg. To me that's just simple logic you only have 2-3 weeks to get her optimized once flipped and that is definitely gonna set her back. 3-4 a day every day or 2 where you see a leaf is blocking other branches and leaves is the way to do this in flower.
Just my opinion, and I got it from trying it and getting good results. I wouldn't waste my time continuing to do so otherwise.
But most of my defoliating is not in veg it is in flower. 3-4 leaves every day or 2 starting on day 1, where I see they are blocking light to other branches behind them (in a vert setup). This way most of the plant is allowed to continue to grow as usual including the parts that would otherwise grow slower because they're in the shade. The defoliated parts will be stunted a little and stay shorter but will still give fat chunky buds, filling in the lower portion of the plant where larf normally is found. The result is a plant covered in dense buds from top to bottom. that plant will be a little smaller than otherwise, but the yield will be comparable or slightly better than if I had done nothing.
Some people would say 'what's the point if it yields about the same?'
But the thing is I have a smaller plant that will yield like a bigger plant with quality buds from top to bottom. Smaller is better because it gives me more room to put another plant in there and get more out of the limited flowering space I have. It's all about maximizing your space and for the amount of space that plant will take up the yield is much much better. So yes you will have to, or IMO you GET to, put more plants into the flower room thus increasing yield.
I know my post was kinda argumentative but it's just how I see it. I would never strip a plant to the extreme like that 20 days into flowering it just doesn't work. The time to do something like that is in veg. To me that's just simple logic you only have 2-3 weeks to get her optimized once flipped and that is definitely gonna set her back. 3-4 a day every day or 2 where you see a leaf is blocking other branches and leaves is the way to do this in flower.
Just my opinion, and I got it from trying it and getting good results. I wouldn't waste my time continuing to do so otherwise.
IMO seems to me that removing few leafs every other day is really a waste of time cause in reality even removing leafs in lower part as for them buds to get light is really meaning less being that the the source of light is still 24 - 48 inches away from the said bud no matter how you skin it the lower buds are and will be under developed small so what really is gained here ???? i have seen many plants defoiled and at 3- 5 th week are in know where comparible to a trained plant that has either been topped , super cropped etc t???
The goal no matter what is to get as many tops to a light source not getting many bud sites all over a plant where 30 percent loss becomes reality when harvest time comes cause i have trimmed tons of weed and wasting time or paying trimmers to fawk around with that becomes costly cause really them lower small buds that are 1 - 2 " when dried are less then 1/2 inch and will become that dreaded Shake in the bag so what happens to all that larf and small crap well for many it goes into this
But either doesn't matter as long as your happy and pleased with your outcome thats all that really matters right
i will continue to Scrog tuck my leafs and prune lower half of plant at intervals i find this to be the best style of growing for my situation
The goal no matter what is to get as many tops to a light source not getting many bud sites all over a plant where 30 percent loss becomes reality when harvest time comes cause i have trimmed tons of weed and wasting time or paying trimmers to fawk around with that becomes costly cause really them lower small buds that are 1 - 2 " when dried are less then 1/2 inch and will become that dreaded Shake in the bag so what happens to all that larf and small crap well for many it goes into this
But either doesn't matter as long as your happy and pleased with your outcome thats all that really matters right
i will continue to Scrog tuck my leafs and prune lower half of plant at intervals i find this to be the best style of growing for my situation
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Scrappy-doo
Well-known member
Yeah man I hear that, many ways to manage your girls and bump up the numbers. Topping and fimming is pretty standard for me. Supercropping I'm kinda a newbie at but playing around with it. Those are more the type of things I do in veg and then defoliate in flower as needed.
I think the difference in our opinion also maybe has to do with me being a vert grower, so the bottom of my plants are often just as close to the light as the top. Depends where I decide to place them. My goal is more to get light to the back side which has tall colas I want to get lots of light. Not sure what your style is. If I were growing horizontal I would definitely lollipop no doubt cause you're right it's a waste of time if the bud sites are not in the zone.
Sorry hempfield for detracting from your thread and for any attitude in my first post.
I think the difference in our opinion also maybe has to do with me being a vert grower, so the bottom of my plants are often just as close to the light as the top. Depends where I decide to place them. My goal is more to get light to the back side which has tall colas I want to get lots of light. Not sure what your style is. If I were growing horizontal I would definitely lollipop no doubt cause you're right it's a waste of time if the bud sites are not in the zone.
Sorry hempfield for detracting from your thread and for any attitude in my first post.
Hi guys,
We are very very close to the end of this experiment. The plants have been harvested at 90 or 91 days of flowering and they are hanged for drying.
As you will see in the pictures, the defoliated plants are less developed, with thinner buds.
Trimming was quite a PITA on the defoliated plants as many small leaves have grown from the buds to replace the big leaves which have been removed on early flowering.
In a few days I will post the dry weight of each plant and we will get to the final conclusion.
Until then enjoy the pictures taken before and after harvest :
NYCD harvested at 90 days - all plants
NYCD harvested at 90 days - non-defoliated plants
NYCD harvested at 90 days - defoliated plants
NYCD harvested at 90 days - non-defoliated plants
NYCD harvested at 90 days - non-defoliated plants
Continued in the next post.
We are very very close to the end of this experiment. The plants have been harvested at 90 or 91 days of flowering and they are hanged for drying.
As you will see in the pictures, the defoliated plants are less developed, with thinner buds.
Trimming was quite a PITA on the defoliated plants as many small leaves have grown from the buds to replace the big leaves which have been removed on early flowering.
In a few days I will post the dry weight of each plant and we will get to the final conclusion.
Until then enjoy the pictures taken before and after harvest :
NYCD harvested at 90 days - all plants
NYCD harvested at 90 days - non-defoliated plants
NYCD harvested at 90 days - defoliated plants
NYCD harvested at 90 days - non-defoliated plants
NYCD harvested at 90 days - non-defoliated plants
Continued in the next post.
NYCD harvested at 90 days - non-defoliated plants
NYCD harvested at 90 days - defoliated plants
NYCD harvested at 90 days - defoliated plants
NYCD harvested at 90 days - defoliated plants
NYCD harvested at 90 days - all plants - harvested
Continued in the next post.
NYCD harvested at 90 days - defoliated plants
NYCD harvested at 90 days - defoliated plants
NYCD harvested at 90 days - defoliated plants
NYCD harvested at 90 days - all plants - harvested
Continued in the next post.
