Wholesale pot prices plummet. Now there starting to get better

[CaliGabe]

by the way, z-ro, 1262 is not about legalization, it's about regulating the medical market. But you're right, it includes language disqualifying those who have been cited for ordinance violations in addition to actual criminal convictions.

A few months back wrote a short paper to help a friend on a project to obtain some investment support and felt Cali would move more towards a CO model and still feel that's the direction it's going.

 

[nomaad]

great discussion folks! love the comparisons to AG and especially wine. funny thing is my pops sells grapes to Gallo, and daub is totally right. we grow the SAME grape varietals not even 1 hour from Napa County, at very similar elevations and climate. but because we aren't technically in napa county, prices are way different. 1700-2500 a ton for the best Napa has to offer…meanwhile we are getting around 1300 or so. our grapes end up in bottles that sell for 20 bucks, whereas those Napa ones go for 50-150 to even higher for the special stuff. when we bought the vineyard it was setup for total commercial production with little concern for quality and the future owner was only getting 800 a ton for reds. we made some changes and upped quality so our tonnage price is more, but yields are also less. its fuckin crazy how similar real farming can be to weed in terms of investment and handwork, but 1 acre of cannabis can yield more profit returns than 50 acres of vineyards. one of the 20 dollar blends that had our cabernet sauvignon in it finally broke 90 points this year, not bad for a county that most Napa winewhores know only for the tweakers.


there will always be in house production grows, that grow and then market their final product either by selling to dispensaries or owning their own dispensary. and there will always be bulk farmers who just want to grow and offload it to the wholesale brokers...

Take out a full page ad in Wine Spectator or Food and Wine, and suddenly your sub-90 score will hit all time highs. Its a racket and its been proven over and over by investigative journos and economists.

Any fool who believes a certain grape from a certain place that undergoes a certain fermentation process can make an inherently better wine than a varietal blend of wines from all over the place is mistaken. (IMHO the same holds true for cannabis concentrates, prerolls and many other products.)

Dry cannabis flowers are impossible to fake. The flower itself has to look and smell just so. Its freshness can be determined by a whiff and gentle squeeze. The high is complex, usually functional (open to intellectual criticism) and changes from strain to strain (blend to blend.) I can package a mix that is meant to "project you into outer space" or "lock you into a full deep night's sleep" (the latter assumes I am legally permitted to market based on medical benefits since insomnia is a medical condition- which I am not, in WA, at this time.)

I do acknowledge there is a difference between wine- and whiskey-drunk, but I have never heard a couple of drunk wine connoisseurs discussing the quality of the drunk.

 

[Daub Marley]

Any fool who believes a certain grape from a certain place that undergoes a certain fermentation process can make an inherently better wine than a varietal blend of wines from all over the place is mistaken.

There always has to be something that is better even if that minor difference is indistinguishable to 99% of people. So to say that there is no difference between Napa valley wines and Central valley wines would be a mistake. There is absolutely a difference, but it is so small only connoisseurs can tell the difference. Cannabis flowers are different though. They more adversely affected by harsh weather than grapes and you can easily tell the difference between a clone grown in the heat of the central valley as apposed to the emerald triangle. Concentrates like dry sift and water hash too just not as much.

 

[Shcrews]

how do people feel about AB 1262, should probably be a whole thread of its own.

Sounds like a nightmare. When CA legalizes it will be such a huge clusterfuck. It's gonna change the state, that's for sure. Probably not in a good way.

edit: nevermind, AB 1262 is not recreational.

 

[theJointedOne]

So AB 1262 is recreation or medical?

Id love to see someone here with the info go ahead and start a AB 1262 thread.

I know that there is nothing other than a vote by the people of the state of California that can take away my rights to consume/grow cannabis which was given to me by CAhsc11362.5 aka Proposition 215. Id take that half a page document into any court room in CA against any mmj charge. With no proof of sales, and no weapons or other illegal activity, 215 is just fine by me.

 

[Shcrews]

i assumed it was recreational. not sure though.

 

[whadeezlrg]

if it's the same thing I'm thinking of it was originally drafted by leo's, it's basically a regulatory stalemate for the entire medical marijuana system in ca

 

[Shcrews]

i heard about that i didn't know what it was called

it really does sound like a nightmare. gives cops a lot more power and also builds more bureaucracy.

 

[m4n]

Indoor hydro cookies and the white 25

 

[theJointedOne]

Yea...pigs always like to fuck you then ask questions later, even if your all good. I can see many counties in CA going the 'dry" route. If that happens, we'll, I dunno. The best they can and will try to do if they want dry is to outlaw growing and large possession, but I cant see them actually trying to make it illegal to have small amounts of mmj for legitimate patients.

I grew up in the east bay area in the early 80's to late 90's. I guess im a child of 215, if you will. I was in High school when all the 18 year olds first went and got their medical cards then went over to third floor to see what was in the jars. Theyd then come back and sell us whatever we wanted, some dudes even made it a business and would take orders during the day at school, then come by your spot in the evening with the order. I think he just put a standard mark up on everything, and he did well. hehe sick car, dodge stealth twin turbo...haha anyway sorry for the rant i just puffed some jack herer.

From those days, and much earlier; like the roots of the commercial guerrilla grow culture which spawned out of the triangle, as well as the countless other places in california that have been a haven for this plant thanks to folks who put their live and homes and families on the line to hold down certain genetics/knowledge/secrects ect...... we as a group of growers and smokers and enthusiasts have really made strides.

I hope we can continue to be the standard for the world when it comes to cannabis and its cultivation, and I hope we do see a day of true legality, not some lawyers interpretation of regulation under a different name.

oh and some killer dep ive seen around 2-22

 

[Backyard Farmer]

I could see the county I'm in being on board but they will tax you hard and probably limit the number of permits they hand out and the permits will go to the people that the county has seen lots of permit fees and property taxes from...

 

[theJointedOne]

yea, I cant forget the power of the dollar.

 

[Backyard Farmer]

It's all about the people with the best funding trying to structure the industry so the hey can monopolize it and make it work for them while taking away the power from individual entities...this is become real business not brown bag business...and in real business is where you swim with real sharks, they just wear expensive suits and have even more expensive pieces of paper on their walls from exclusive social clubs called the Ivy League

 

[stasis]

And the cycle continues.

 

[stasis]

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To compare and contrast.

The clowns in the Money-oriented culture of the state of Illinois are showing a different face to this movement. And it is deplorable. I read the whole law, because I will be involved, in the future. Only the rich can grow. Half a mil or so to get in the game. Growers are routinely offered VERY low pay for administering to these million dollar ops.
A friend of mine calls it the "Land of the Free," in that they want everything for free. lol

Florida may go that route too. It's as silly as Ronnie Mac Above what is happening in both states. The information-brokers with no experience in Cannabis. Putting two phones together for a large fee.

Just a different form of corruption.

Michigan is waiting to do this all too, the Scuvenor signing an exclusive contract with a large lackluster Canadian growing company known for schwag, who will take over ALL Michigan's growing if and when the Schedule of Cannabis is changed. They want it to be a no-grow (personal) state.

I am waiting for it all to shake out, in the meantime enjoying the days, moving to the countryside soon. Where I spent many weeks as a youth with friends.
Missing CA, but getting used to things in my home state after 20+ years away - doing better here, for now. At least people are more polite - not so quick to routinely Diss each other - as is the norm in NorCal - that's a plus.

If You go too far here, it's more than just attitude that is dealt your way - You better be ready to dodge a blow. And throw one back in return.
THEN look for the weapon, cause everyone carries. Be ready to react. Actually, THIS is more the Wild West in reality, folks. Not bragging at all, ya gotta be super careful, who Ya deal with.

lb'S 26-29 depending....

Bubble - Trip D Full Melt - 480-540 / z - Hard sell, but worth it.
BHO, not worth selling at the lowball rates. Just for "personals."

 

[nomaad]

There always has to be something that is better even if that minor difference is indistinguishable to 99% of people. So to say that there is no difference between Napa valley wines and Central valley wines would be a mistake. There is absolutely a difference, but it is so small only connoisseurs can tell the difference. Cannabis flowers are different though. They more adversely affected by harsh weather than grapes and you can easily tell the difference between a clone grown in the heat of the central valley as apposed to the emerald triangle. Concentrates like dry sift and water hash too just not as much.

There always has to be something that is better even if that minor difference is indistinguishable to 99% of people. So to say that there is no difference between Napa valley wines and Central valley wines would be a mistake. There is absolutely a difference, but it is so small only connoisseurs can tell the difference. Cannabis flowers are different though. They more adversely affected by harsh weather than grapes and you can easily tell the difference between a clone grown in the heat of the central valley as apposed to the emerald triangle. Concentrates like dry sift and water hash too just not as much.

Different does not mean better. I'm very familiar with Napa County Terrior, Sonoma, Rioja and Ribiera de Duero in Spain and Tuscany in Italy. Any given spot of land can have better or worse conditions for growing grapes. The skills of the individual grower is also an important factor. In fact, the Red Hills appellation of Lake County is possibly the best volcanic-rich grape growing soil north of San Fran... but Lake County doesn't have the marketing dollars to buy that "better" label you'd like to hand to something.

Its been repeatedly proven that the biggest wine connoisseurs can be fooled by some of the cheapest and worst wines out there. So often have they been made fools of that most people who judge wines require contracts be signed with multi-level stipulations to avoid being tricked by the judges into revealing that they are total hacks.

I'd love to meet the taster who would opt into a blind vetting of their ability to discern the region of origin of a wine all other things being equal (grape, year, etc)... but we'd have no takers.

 

[RespectGreen]

Shatter 6/oz+, units are up 34 area.

 

[mendo-local]

Last years outs12-14, fresh dep 2-22 and my a grade indoor grape ape 28 in the bay. Been seeing some a grade og going for 32 in the bay as well.

 

[m4n]

Indoor bubba kush no purple high lights for 22

 

[localhero]

monster prices up north it looks like. so cal west side indoor fire og for 27 and 24 for purple chem 91.