warcraft74
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it makes you wonder about the other short flowering pure sativas from ace. i hope this panama i'm growing is pure.
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Nepal Jam
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it makes you wonder about the other short flowering pure sativas from ace. i hope this panama i'm growing is pure.
I'll be judging by the smoke results. I was shocked at how clean, clear, energetic, and euphoric the Bangi Haze was. All traits that I look for in a good Sativa. This Nepalese Jam is very bushy with small fairly thin leaves. I may be wrong, but it looks like it will be LOADED, with small wispy Sativa looking buds. Looks to be on the verge of flowering right now. I'm very pleased with it's progress so far.
I got this Nepalese Jam as a freebie. Thanks for steering me right Dubi!!!
Bangi Haze in foreground. Hugging a Nepalese Jam on the right:
ThaiBliss
This is a very complicated subject. Cannabis taxonomy has changed in the recent past, and the terms sativa and indica don't mean what most people think they do anymore. There are many blurred lines in the cannabis genepool, and we won't know specifics about subspecies, etc., until the cannabis genome project is completed. Until then, all we can do is judge the flower by smoking it and experiencing its effects.
There is a lot of diversity in the drug cannabis genepool. By komboloi's definition, only the most tropical plants in morphology (narrow leaf dominant) would be considered sativa pure, and maybe he's right...but we can't speak so definitively of what plant is what until the proper research has been fully conducted. All I can tell you for now is that Ace does not lie about their strains' effects.
Yes thats really the only way left to trace back to the core landraces as they followed humans around the world.
But really lets get back to the basic. The "Sativa" species was first classified by a bunch of europeans that had relatively poor knowledge of the genetic diversity in Cannabis. "Indica" was defined as a different species of Cannabis based primarily on where it came from and the fact that those plants from India had a distinct morphology (fat leaves, short stout, etc) from the typical Sativa that the europeans were accustomed to.
Truth be told (although i am sure some ivory tower botanists will disagree) is that Cannabis sativa, Cannabis Indica and Cannabis afghani are NOT different species, but rather subspecies at best, or even different varieties in a wide genepool. As far as I can tell, they are no more different than Africans, Caucasians, and Asians are similar and a single species.
As anybody with a decent Biology education is aware convergent evolution occurs frequently. Different isolated populations often develop similar characteristics in response to similar but isolated environments without any mixing of the genepools.
My point is simply that just because a plant has a similar leaf shape (like wide leafs versus narrow leafs) does not mean that its genes have been contanimated from another strain.
If all that's true, no one should market a variety as "100% Sativa." Not unless they've done the genetic testing to know.
except that by the strict botannical definition Nepalese Jam is 100% Sativa. Its NOT from India.
By the strict botanical definition Nepalese Jam is NOT sativa as Cannabis Sativa L. is hemp class cannabis. Nepalese Jam is NLD or 'Narrow Leaf Drug' which falls into Indica. All WLD and NLD cannabis falls into Indica. These things are changing by definition.
There will always be a grey area between pure NLD and WLD landrace varietals. This can be seen in North India/Nepal where you might encounter a WLD plant but it has an all head, energising euphoric effect. The same can be said for some NLD plants in that region. Some Parvati and Kashmiri plants can be very narcotic and couch lock but the plants have a very spindly appearance with very narrow leaves.
Don't be fooled by thinking a definition is definitive. They are there to represent the common rule but there will always be exceptions to the rule..
There will always be a grey area between pure NLD and WLD landrace varietals. This can be seen in North India/Nepal where you might encounter a WLD plant but it has an all head, energising euphoric effect. The same can be said for some NLD plants in that region. Some Parvati and Kashmiri plants can be very narcotic and couch lock but the plants have a very spindly appearance with very narrow leaves.
Don't be fooled by thinking a definition is definitive. They are there to represent the common rule but there will always be exceptions to the rule..
and I challenge the more recent attempt at differentiating Cannabis according to drug classification. Its nonsense as IT does not use the genome map of various varieties and strains. It was a feeble attempt at classifying based on cannabinoid content, while its easily evident that various genes for cbd, thc are present in various strains of Cannabis Sativa and Cannabis Indica regardless of their parentage.
Finally you yourself with your reference to the Pavarti and Kashmiri plants show that separating species by drug or cannabinoid content is a fools errand.
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Bob Green
There is plenty of info out on the Nepalese, plenty out on the JBM, plenty out on the NepJam. Its not like Charlie slipped inn a bunch of hardcore indica into it without telling any one. It is what it is. If the JBM has Afghani in it some place from its past before 1985 no one knows. Maybe some rouge greenhouse seedshunter shitbags dusted Nepal with Northern Lights pollen from an air plane? Or is NepJam really just 98 Bubba x Skunk and Dubi/Charlie just want people to waist their money you know... As a joke to fuck up your world class breeding program. Yeah that has to be the reason?
I bet the ACE Seeds jokers are not even from Spain. I heard it was really a colab company from Rez/Cali Connect/DNA just to ruin all the sativa left in the world.
I bet the ACE Seeds jokers are not even from Spain. I heard it was really a colab company from Rez/Cali Connect/DNA just to ruin all the sativa left in the world.
How do you know? How do we know anything about the genetics of a strain if (a) all we know is what the breeder (who is, after all, trying to sell seeds) tells us; and (b) the breeder hasn't done any genetic testing to know WTF is in those seeds.
I can think of a simpler explanation: To sell seeds.
Cannabliss420
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Hey Komboloi,
Have you grown any of ACE's genetic offerings? Were you dissatisfied?
Thanks,
ThaiBliss
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Bob Green
No one should slander a company that has done 100 times more to put badass Sativa genetics out than any other without proof.
Have you done the genetic testing to prove them wrong? Has any one seen any genetic testing done on ACE seeds and claiming all their shit is false? Of course not because you are talking out your ass.
On the bright side I am stoked that I have some NepJam freebies, and a pack of the Nepalese Pure from Reeferman. I mean fuck if you tested the seeds I have of the P1 Nepalese and they came back Indica then that would prove something. But...
So what are these pure amazing lab tested Sativa strains you are providing the world with?
No one should slander a company that has done 100 times more to put badass Sativa genetics out than any other without proof.
Have you done the genetic testing to prove them wrong? Has any one seen any genetic testing done on ACE seeds and claiming all their shit is false? Of course not because you are talking out your ass.
On the bright side I am stoked that I have some NepJam freebies, and a pack of the Nepalese Pure from Reeferman. I mean fuck if you tested the seeds I have of the P1 Nepalese and they came back Indica then that would prove something. But...
So what are these pure amazing lab tested Sativa strains you are providing the world with?
Bob, you're late to this conversation. But scroll back, and you'll see that Dubi himself conceded that (a) NepJam is part indica; and (b) Ace has never done any testing to know what all's in there. Yet Ace advertises NepJam as 100% sativa.
It's not slander to point out the admission by Ace that its marketing is both false and unsupported by any testing. It's a good strain; I like it; I grow it. But we have no idea what's in there, and neither does the breeder (by its own admission).
Yup. In fact, I've got NepJam going right now, because I like the strain a lot. My commentary about the quality of Ace seeds has always been positive. It's the false marketing and their suggestion that Ace knows what the genetic makeup of NepJam is that I object to.
We don't know, and neither do they. But it's good shit.
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Bob Green
ACE/Dubi did not do the breeding Charlie Garcia did. So what Indica did Dubi say he crossed into the NepJam? Sense you are "in the know" I would love to hear.
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Bob Green
Who knows for 100% sure what is in any strain? Has any breeder (maybe Chimera, or Sam) done genetic testing? Even if they have the info has not been made public as far as I know.
You have most likley not done any testing further then grow or two with a smoke test. If so what did the lab say?
I dont have a horse in this race but what about the wider leaf Killer Malawi part Indica too? It must be right? Wide leaf bastard killing the African Sativa haven.
I do think that Charlie described the genetic makeup of NepJam as best he could with what he knew.
So what was the point in all this?
You have most likley not done any testing further then grow or two with a smoke test. If so what did the lab say?
I dont have a horse in this race but what about the wider leaf Killer Malawi part Indica too? It must be right? Wide leaf bastard killing the African Sativa haven.
I do think that Charlie described the genetic makeup of NepJam as best he could with what he knew.
So what was the point in all this?
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charlie garcia
I dont think we talk about purity when we wrote desciption but about the effect and feeling bud produces.
As suggested Jamaican must can be an hybrid in certain point but effects tells more about sativa side. Nepalese was worked by me another 5-6 generations after Reefermans gift trying to avoid few nanas expressions but also fixing better the "feeling" produced me when smoking it.... Is a feeling good smoke, chocolat and flowers aroma and flavours and social effect. Nepal Jam is a sativa feeling but not Haze like effect.
There are also many other "sativas" with more mellow effect than this, sativa-indica line is so wide to me. But maybe your are right when saying is not a 100% sativa, if such term is still valid nowdays. I am sure NepalJam contains bit more CBD than Haze, but I dont know the limit of CBD or if certain terpenes presence should be taking in account to describe it as indica or describe it as sativa
I dont use believe in 100% ...
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kaiki
As suggested Jamaican must can be an hybrid in certain point but effects tells more about sativa side. Nepalese was worked by me another 5-6 generations after Reefermans gift trying to avoid few nanas expressions but also fixing better the "feeling" produced me when smoking it.... Is a feeling good smoke, chocolat and flowers aroma and flavours and social effect. Nepal Jam is a sativa feeling but not Haze like effect.
There are also many other "sativas" with more mellow effect than this, sativa-indica line is so wide to me. But maybe your are right when saying is not a 100% sativa, if such term is still valid nowdays. I am sure NepalJam contains bit more CBD than Haze, but I dont know the limit of CBD or if certain terpenes presence should be taking in account to describe it as indica or describe it as sativa
I dont use believe in 100% ...
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kaiki
Good sativa/indica cross, misadvertised as 100% sativa. That's all.
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But there is a larger point here: Breeders don't really know what they have, so when they sell it, they say it's this or that. But they don't know. They say they do, but they don't. And neither do we.
If a vendor advertises "C99 x Super Skunk backcrossed with a selected C99 male for added potency," don't count on it. The breeder doesn't likely know what it is, and you certainly don't.
There are good strains and lesser strains, but if you trust breeder claims about genetics, you are gullible. Most everything is crossed these days, and no breeder does the testing necessary to know what they have.
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I do like NepJam, though, regardless of what's in it. It's a really nice indica/sativa cross. And my three attempts at Ace Seeds were all successful. Reliable shipping, excellent germination rates and good results. I'm happy to be a customer, but with eyes wide open, not like some fan-boys.
