Dud Identification Collective Knowledge.

[Burnside GC]

Here it is check it out

fusarium

Little leaves, next to no growth or roots.

Here is siblings same everything, well everything cept they still live

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

we didnt find any fusarium weaponized or other. yes the phytoplasm was a hypothesis (not a theory). i made no assertion otherwise. i was sure, and admittedly knew it was more likely i was wrong and said as much when i announced the testing was underway. im not a pathologist. im also highly doubtful of your knowledge of secret government projects. but maybe its true. i just wouldnt site you as my source. ive sen no links to any actual evidence it happened other than being talked about. im interested in the subject. i believe its possible, im just not convinced. to say i chastised you is a bit harsh. but maybe my skin is a little thicker.

 

[Loc Dog]

Fusarium as biological weapon against coca -

http://sciweb.nybg.org/science2/hcol/fusarium2.asp.html

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2000/05/drug-control-or-biowarfare

http://www.rense.com/general34/sdmov.htm

http://www.darkbiology.com/gmodrugwars.htm

Can provide more links.

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

no i mean a link as to its use in the usa

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

not to say i wouldnt believe it if you dont i was just curious if there is any documentaation. yes i know the dea is evil and would stop at nothing yadayada im just fishing for links to actual evidence.

 

[Loc Dog]

no i mean a link as to its use in the usa

http://www.nytimes.com/1999/07/27/us/a-fungus-to-kill-marijuana-has-environmentalists-wary.html

Aren't California and Florida, where the problems are rampant. That article was from 1999.

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

so it was tested and not used. crazy. well if it shows up we will know. ill ask the pathologist to test for the special form of fusarium. like you said retro as good a theory as any.

 

[Burnside GC]

Not trying to convince anyone, just passing on what I know


Spend a few hundred bucks, send in ground up leaves stem roots and soil. Test your duds. I will bet my account you find Fusarium or Verticilum

Yes, weapons include plants, really really fucked up ones

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

i believe you. and thanks for posting what you found.
i did test a dud and found pythium just not the others.

Not trying to convince anyone, just passing on what I know


Spend a few hundred bucks, send in ground up leaves stem roots and soil. Test your duds. I will bet my account you find Fusarium or Verticilum

Yes, weapons include plants, really really fucked up ones

 

[RetroGrow]

so it was tested and not used. crazy. well if it shows up we will know. ill ask the pathologist to test for the special form of fusarium. like you said retro as good a theory as any.

Nothing secret about that project, so that argument doesn't fly. It's well known, and never was conceived as secret. There were congressional hearings about it. It's part of the public record. The secret stuff, I don't know about.

Yes, it was created in the USA as a bioweapon. This has been posted several times already, but you must have skimmed over it and missed it, as I often do when in a hurry. We know who made it, and we know what company has it in their possession in their lab. Does this mean it's totally secure, and couldn't be used by DEA? Anything's possible. Recently, a bunch of smallpox, one of the deadliest diseases in the world, was found in a storage closet in Washington, dating from the 1950s:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...s-of-smallpox-found-in-storage-room/12363365/

The mutagenicity of fusarium may be more likely.
What I would like to know is the geographical significance of the problem. We know lots of people from Cali have reported it. Not surprising, as Cali is the epicenter of all cannabis pathogens. But what about Europe? Are people in Europe having the same problems. I haven't seen any people from Europe posting pictures, or am I missing something? Not talking about broad mite duds, but the "other", "mystery" duds, with the lateral branches that break easily, small leaves., etc. Perhaps some fusarium strains have mutated here, yet don't exist in Europe at the present time.

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

hmm well there is a solution for those who cant run these tests but it would require running a scene big enough to invest resources. its not cheap but there are cheaper plans on the internet for 100 bucks or less just less streamlined.
for the price of about 10m labtests you could make your own pcr machine but you would still need to purchase primers vials etc. not to mention learning the method.
there is open source software for this for both mac and pc
http://openpcr.org/

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

thanks retro

 

[RetroGrow]

Not trying to convince anyone, just passing on what I know


Spend a few hundred bucks, send in ground up leaves stem roots and soil. Test your duds. I will bet my account you find Fusarium or Verticilum

Yes, weapons include plants, really really fucked up ones

I think the "few hundred bucks" may be the deterrent to some folks not sending in their duds. After all, these are people who are suffering financial losses. Some of them have perpetual grows that need harvesting weekly to pay the bills. Not all growers are wealthy, and many are hanging by the skin of their teeth, so can't afford testing.

 

[Burnside GC]

The fungus was sprayed in all of Cali it seems

It's not cool at all, it's uncurable plant aids

Easy to spot, never grows big leaves, throws out crazy amounts of stems

Only cure is cover it in bleach and make sure not even the landfill gets infected

 

[Burnside GC]

I think the "few hundred bucks" may be the deterrent to some folks not sending in their duds. After all, these are people who are suffering financial losses. Some of them have perpetual grows that need harvesting weekly to pay the bills. Not all growers are wealthy, and many are hanging by the skin of their teeth, so can't afford testing.

We have perpetual grows, not small shit. Trust me, we didn't take this lightly, when you have to face reality you face it. Seriously, I've tried too hard to pass on what we paid to learn. You can go ahead and think everything I say is utter shit, I'm not looking for your appeoval, just letting people know what we found. We grow for a living, we don't blow smoke

 

[Burnside GC]

hmm well there is a solution for those who cant run these tests but it would require running a scene big enough to invest resources. its not cheap but there are cheaper plans on the internet for 100 bucks or less just less streamlined.
for the price of about 10m labtests you could make your own pcr machine but you would still need to purchase primers vials etc. not to mention learning the method.
there is open source software for this for both mac and pc
http://openpcr.org/

Not looking to start a lab, just seriously trying to inform folks

Even if you guys don't get simple math doesn't mean folks aren't looking for truth
Don't get it but whatever, hope you are having fun

 

[Burnside GC]

I think the "few hundred bucks" may be the deterrent to some folks not sending in their duds. After all, these are people who are suffering financial losses. Some of them have perpetual grows that need harvesting weekly to pay the bills. Not all growers are wealthy, and many are hanging by the skin of their teeth, so can't afford testing.

If your Livlyhood depends on a few hundred bucks you pay that shit, I mean come on dude you are grasping here

 

[RetroGrow]

The fungus was sprayed in all of Cali it seems

It's not cool at all, it's uncurable plant aids

Easy to spot, never grows big leaves, throws out crazy amounts of stems

Only cure is cover it in bleach and make sure not even the landfill gets infected

Are you seeing it in multiple strains, or are some strains more susceptible?
Is this happening only in soil grows, in your experience?
Have you tried preventative measures, ie., immune system boosters (Salicylic Acid, Humic & Fulvic acids).
I would think that plants grown in coco would be less susceptible, due to the large amounts of trichoderma it contains. Trichoderma eat fusarium for lunch.
If you see new dudds coming up, can you drench with aquashield, which should knock out fusarium, as a test to see if a plant that starts out as a baby dud can be "cured"?
It seems that people growing in soil are having the most problems, even though most soil has both fusarium and trichoderma. It's when they get out of balance that a problem would be more likely to arise, unless of course it's a mutated strain of fusarium, whether by natural or artificial means, that the trichoderma, and other bennies cannot cope with. As posted earlier, fusarium is known to have a high level of mutagenicity.
It can change faster than it's predators can catch up, and so makes for a highly adaptable pathogen. The government knew this, which is why they worked on it.
Again, not a conspiracy theory. Just trying to separate fact from speculation.

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

Not looking to start a lab, just seriously trying to inform folks

Even if you guys don't get simple math doesn't mean folks aren't looking for truth
Don't get it but whatever, hope you are having fun

i hear ya on not being interested in the testing apperatus.
its true,
i am not a math whizz but im confused by the second sentence.

I am having fun. I enjoy the journey of examining problems and learning new info skills etc in the process.

i dont htink what you are saying is utter shit. i sincerely appreciate the knowledge of what you found. this is a serious issue for lots of good folks and any serious statement regarding the nature of this is exciting to read. please dont take my inquiry to find links to any evidence of the government angle of what youre saying as dismissive. im just trying to understand. looks like there was serious talk of using it in florida coupled with actual testing of weaponized fusarium documented. thanks for posting those links guys. as to it actually being used in the usa id love to see more info. but it was used in south central america.
fucking sinister.

 

[RetroGrow]

If your Livlyhood depends on a few hundred bucks you pay that shit, I mean come on dude you are grasping here

Since I am not having this particular problem as of yet, I am not talking about my livelihood. But I know for a fact that some folks on here who have posted pictures of dudds, don't send them in for testing because of the cost. I'm not making this up. I know it's true. Maybe a couple of them will chime in. It's not something to be embarrassed about. Some folks are growing for hobby and for free smoke. They are not commercial growers in all cases. They do it for the love, and they don't have a few hundred extra dollars laying around, as incongruous as that may seem to you. There are a lot of people struggling. Just look on Craig's list and see all the used equipment for sale. If it comes down to paying your mortgage or paying for tests, guess which one they will pay? There are older growers on here on fixed incomes and disability, just trying to grow their meds. Not everyone's at the top of the food chain.