Can you tell if it's a female or male in Veg?

[Cheesythrowing]

just do as Barbie says and things shows up--no big deal

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[Infinitesimal]

Guys i hate to break it to you but if the plant is showing preflowers or sex itis not in veg anymore; the plant is in bloom. Good luck five.

I hate to break it to you barbie but you are talking total bollocks , having pre flowers means its sexually mature but that does not mean its in flower

I'm hanging with Mr. cooper on this one, sorry miss but you are wrong... they go through a "puberty" type stage and most definitely will produce pre-flowers in veg... that is the very definition of pre-flowers in fact... they are the plant expressing their sexuality Pre Flower! In the official "experienced growers club, member handbook"... this falls under the chapter, common knowledge

are you really a mensa member?


@fiveonit,

so to answer your question, yes you should be able to sex the plant while in veg especially in cases where the seed plants can get big. A healthy plant with adequate light, access to nutes and plenty of root space will typically sex sooner than one that is in less ideal conditions.. root space is key. by the time you clone transplant and then flower said clones a healthy seedling would have likely sexed or be damn near to it. so you don't really save to much time.

it is not hard to pull the males after flowering has started either... you have about 3-4 weeks typically from the initiation of the flowering cycle to identify and remove any males before the potential for any pollination to happen... if you can visit your garden at least every few days there is no trouble at all. (lots of growers I know freak about having a male in the same room with females, thinking that males make females go herm, lol)

 

[moses wellfleet]

I hate to break it to you barbie but you are talking total bollocks , having pre flowers means its sexually mature but that does not mean its in flower

+1, plants will declare in veg. Exactly when they decide to do so can depend on genetics and how heavily it has been tainted by inter sex tendencies in its lineage, it's tendency to auto flower also plays a huge role.

Some strains are actually impossible to maintain in a vegetative state even with 24 hours constant light (very frustrating when all other traits are desirable). 18/6 is generally a good cycle for indoor veg.

 

[fiveonit]

I'm hanging with Mr. cooper on this one, sorry miss but you are wrong... they go through a "puberty" type stage and most definitely will produce pre-flowers in veg... that is the very definition of pre-flowers in fact... they are the plant expressing their sexuality Pre Flower! In the official "experienced growers club, member handbook"... this falls under the chapter, common knowledge

are you really a mensa member?


@fiveonit,

so to answer your question, yes you should be able to sex the plant while in veg especially in cases where the seed plants can get big. A healthy plant with adequate light, access to nutes and plenty of root space will typically sex sooner than one that is in less ideal conditions.. root space is key. by the time you clone transplant and then flower said clones a healthy seedling would have likely sexed or be damn near to it. so you don't really save to much time.

it is not hard to pull the males after flowering has started either... you have about 3-4 weeks typically from the initiation of the flowering cycle to identify and remove any males before the potential for any pollination to happen... if you can visit your garden at least every few days there is no trouble at all. (lots of growers I know freak about having a male in the same room with females, thinking that males make females go herm, lol)

Ah okay thanks so it's preflowers in veg. Oh yeah I'm not worried about them releasing the pollen so much yet I just want to get rid of the males so I have less big plants to water and take care of I have around 12 now and it's a pain to check ec ph and water them every other day.

 

[10ftGanja]

Topped plants will take longer to declare, because you are removing the new growth that is about to produce sex organs. But other forms of stress, such as lack of water, will actually cause the plant to declare quicker as it speeds up its life cycle. It is a survival mechanism, a mad rush to set seed and ensure the next generation, before the hostile environment leads to it's early demise!!

I should have been more clear...
I top them once I can get a good cut and then let them veg for quite a bit longer unter the are ready to be topped again.
They usually show around the time I top the second time.
Having them already topped allows me to keep a bunch more plants in veg and not have to deal with 2ft plants and 6" clones

 

[10ftGanja]

By that time my cut is rooted and ready to go

 

[Psyco G]

So I used mek franks book to learn how to grow properly, I can usually see my first preflower appear on the 7th node, the first preflower only grows on one side, ideally you should wait to see a couple of tiny hairs coming out of it, it's by no means a exact science to start with but untill you see those hairs I'd be reluctant to call it either way, as I've had females that don't show hairs on the 7th node untill there is about 9 nodes. With practice on the same strain you can normally pick out the femals by stature as the other dude said.

If you feed a lot of nitrogen it can take ages for preflower so to show, a small amount of PK helps them show from what I've found.

On some strains the male preflower on the 7th node is a very light colour so it's easy to tell straight away.

Basically there are loads of tricks and methods, it's about adapting them and seeing which works for you. Tear drops are what your after

 

[NoSocSlic]

You could definitely take some cuttings and label them all, root them and flower them. That would take about 2 weeks give or take, but depending on your latitude longitude it might make more sense to just wait it out because the light may be optimal enough for sexing in 4 to 5 weeks.

 

[blastfrompast]

I use a 40x loupe...Look for the spur starting about 8 nodes or so up..

 

[Cheesythrowing]

I just want to get rid of the males so I have less big plants to water and take care of I have around 12 now and it's a pain to check ec ph and water them every other day

why i dont understand-why you dont take those of the lower notes into a glass of water and under some indorlight if possible-then flip to 12-12 right-and wait and see--and of course remember label all correctly--for no waste of time and so,on males you dont wish...
then you gets more space and lights to the ladys ?? i would do so-if it was me...

 

[BOMBAYCAT]

Due to the short growing climate here in Colorado, I usually start the regular seeds indoors for 2-3 months and then I have good sized plants to go outside. I check them for pre-flowers at about the 5th or 6th node. It normally works as I have only had to weed out a male plant once. If you are starting the same variety indoors, it is fun to watch the structure of Male or Female plants. It is not reliable to use but the Male plants are normally taller and lankier then females. Hope this helps.

 

[MJBadger]

I will be back with a pic i have somewhere on my pc .

 

[MJBadger]

Male flowers



Female flowers . First pic is female pre flower with hairs .

 

[Psyco G]

^^^^^^^^^^^^ very helpful ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^



That's how to do it, show the fella side by sides, well done

 

[fiveonit]

Thanks for the pictures MJ I don't know i've seen thousands of pics and still I'm not sure if they are female or male yet except one which has white hair pistil.

 

[Psyco G]

Your exactly right with that statement, it's hard to tell unless you know the strain, wait to see them hairs brother.

 

[MensaBarbie]

I hate to break it to ya but if it showing hairs spurs pistils stamens or any kind pf sex organ, its not in veg. Its in flower. Sometimes males have opposing branches vs offset.

 

[bmp420gti]

I get what you are saying with that but why do plants continue to show veg growth with preflowers until you flip the lights then? Do you think this can cause undue stress to a plant forcing veg time?

 

[10ftGanja]

I hate to break it to ya but if it showing hairs spurs pistils stamens or any kind pf sex organ, its not in veg. Its in flower. Sometimes males have opposing branches vs offset.

lol
Preflowers, as opposed to full blown flowers, generally appear after the fourth week of vegetative growth from seed. Check carefully above the fourth node. Please note that preflowers are very small and and almost impossible to differentiate without magnification. A photographer's 10x loupe is handy indeed when examining preflowers.

As the images below demonstrate, the female preflower is pear shaped and produces a pair of pistils. Frequently, the female preflowers do not show pistils until well after the preflowers have emerged. Thus, don't yank a plant because it has no pistils. Pistillate preflowers are located at the node between the stipule and emerging branch.

Also, some female preflowers never produce pistils. A female preflower without pistils is difficult to distinguish from a male preflower. Thus, hermaphodite issues should not be resolved by the appearance of preflowers, without pistils, on a plant otherwise believed to be a female.

 

[bmp420gti]

I guess the question is, is the plant sexually mature when it starts to preflower? In nature would the plant then switch to flowering phase or would it wait for the sun and light it wants to flower?