First Coco grow with PH perfect

[Jydcoo]

The BD.
Also, have some upcoming issues and have to Change the Light Cycle, But not Flowering yet. So Please correct me if I am wrong, I am leaving the Lights ON till the next NIGHT cycle Correct? And Just to make sure my Memory is Ok, I want the Lights to Come on at the Same time in flower right? meaning, My 18/6 will be lights ON 7pm- 1pm.
Lights OFF 1pm -7pm.
12/12 will be 7pm-7am. I
Am in the Clear right?
Thank you Folks for any love

 

[Jydcoo]

Sup Grow Fam. Huge Update. No complaints on my Ladies. Only thing that I did not remember was that my NL blue that was given to me is an autoflower. She has already begun and id say 4-7 Days into flower. Not upset, just a Change of plan. I think it is time to Flip em to 12/12 anyway. Fri will be the last day of 18/6. Now the Fun really begins. I may need to tie down and spread their wings in the future . I have to pick up Big Bud Coco and Bud Candy in the coming Days. Here is the AN PH Perfect And Additives.Honestly, I think More waterings with Base is best for veg, but def Should use a B Vitamin and Root Zone Juice for some waterings for Great Results.. I have not touched Rhino Skin or Overdrive, and Only used Sensizym one time for each plant. Stay tuned For More Next week! Happy Growing.

 

[Jydcoo]

The BD

 

[Jydcoo]

Nutes

 

[dabking]

Make sure you flush the veg nutrients before you bloom. You should be using bud candy already, especially if you have any beneficials in your medium. Nirvana and b52 are great additives I recommend.

 

[FreedomTRAIL]

I think b-52 is a waste of money if your feeding nirvana at the same time. They both have B vitamines and nirvana also has a full spectrum of organic Amino Acids, Chitin and Yucca Extract (Bud Faxtor X). Also has Alfalpha Meal and Seaweed Extract. Fulvic/Humic Acids (Acient Earth). Makes a great root stimulater for clones as well as taking the place of alot of the additives out there. Some other things in there too, I cant remember everything!
One of the few suppliments I would pay for.

 

[dabking]

I think b-52 is a waste of money if your feeding nirvana at the same time. They both have B vitamines and nirvana also has a full spectrum of organic Amino Acids, Chitin and Yucca Extract (Bud Faxtor X). Also has Alfalpha Meal and Seaweed Extract. Fulvic/Humic Acids (Acient Earth). Makes a great root stimulater for clones as well as taking the place of alot of the additives out there. Some other things in there too, I cant remember everything!
One of the few suppliments I would pay for.

there are no vitamins in nirvana. Unless they changed it. I did notice that bud candy now has aminos now.

 

[FreedomTRAIL]

there are no vitamins in nirvana. Unless they changed it. I did notice that bud candy now has aminos now.

I guess it would be silly to check facts before posting.
Bud Candy has always had amino acids and Nirvana has always had and has vitamin b and a. Why spread misinformation.?
http://www.an-europe.com/advancepedia/organic-nutrients-and-supplements/nirvana.html

 

[papaduc]

I have to pick up Big Bud Coco and Bud Candy in the coming Days

Advanced nutrients are probably the single worst brand of anything you could buy. You're paying for water. They're your plants and it's your grow, and bottom line is it's your money. But just so you know, you're buying almost a full liter of water.

Big bud is potassium phosphate and potassium sulfate, and extremely low levels of each. If you want a pk booster you could spin a bottle and not land on anything more watered down and overpriced than that.

 

[drgr33nuk]

Advanced nutrients are probably the single worst brand of anything you could buy. You're paying for water. They're your plants and it's your grow, and bottom line is it's your money. But just so you know, you're buying almost a full liter of water.

Big bud is potassium phosphate and potassium sulfate, and extremely low levels of each. If you want a pk booster you could spin a bottle and not land on anything more watered down and overpriced than that.

Thats not true buddy big bud contains 20 L-form amino acids.

From AN

With 20 different L-form amino acids, carefully selected by our team of
world-class plant scientists, Big Bud Bloom Enhancer has no competitors.
The explosive results you’ll see by adding these 20 L-form amino acids
to your growing medium can be breathtaking. Just one of these amino
acids, L-tryptophan, is what your plants use to produce special, profoundly
potent bud building chemicals that have the potential to deliver you the
heaviest harvest you’ve ever had.
And There Are 19 More.
But there’s more in Big Bud than just L-form
amino acids (which are vastly superior
to the D-forms commonly used).
There is also a delicate and precise
blend of phosphorus, potassium
and magnesium. Each of these
is sourced from the highest
quality sources on the globe,
and carefully chelated to
allow your plants effortless
absorption.
Don’t settle for D-form amino acids that
other bloom enhancers use. Don’t settle for
mediocre flowers.

Although I do agree with AN additives are watered down and over promoted & would defo shop around.

 

[dabking]

I guess it would be silly to check facts before posting.
Bud Candy has always had amino acids and Nirvana has always had and has vitamin b and a. Why spread misinformation.?
http://www.an-europe.com/advancepedia/organic-nutrients-and-supplements/nirvana.html

American is different. Look up the PDF of the raw ingredients list. It will tell you different than what is advertised.

 

[dabking]

http://www.advancednutrients.com/hydroponics/calc/Nutrient-Calculator-Raw-Ingredients-List.pdf

 

[FreedomTRAIL]

http://www.advancednutrients.com/hydroponics/calc/Nutrient-Calculator-Raw-Ingredients-List.pdf

Good looking out but all of a.n. nutrients are brewed up in the same place and distributed world wide, as far as I know. The A and b vitamins are listed in that PDF. They are organic sources brought to you by alphalpha meal and seaweed extract. It is a organic suppliment after all. I agree that most a.n. additives are repetitive. most can be substituted with this one.

 

[papaduc]

Thats not true buddy big bud contains 20 L-form amino acids.

This is the thing, that they're in there actually doesn't matter. The question is whether they're in there in the quantity that when diluted into the recommended volume of water, there will be the essential amount required to even have an effect.

If your own piss contains nitrogen potassium vitamins and enzymes, a single drop of it in a bottle would mean that technically all those things were in there. In fact technically it would mean that even if you diluted that single drop of urine into a ten gallon tub of water, you could say all those things were in there and you would be committing no violation of any sales act.

Technically.

And it's the same with seaweed, vitamins, anything else.

But some companies are ok with it. Some of them don't just simply want to fuck you for as much as they can.

Believe me, I'm not having a bash at any company for any reason and I am certainly in no way angry towards soft bollocks scientist boy big mike for having a simple idea to make money based on the basic concepts of consumerism.

I am just letting you know because you should, and everyone should, that the concept of advanced nutrients is an extremely simple one and an extremely obvious one to anyone who understands the basic elements they're using and anyone who reads the product label before they would ever read the sales blurb about the magic it does.

They believe, rightly, that people know fuck all. They also know they can sell minute amounts of minerals diluted into a bottle for an absolutely colossal markup and be breaking no law. And they also know that provided you are willing to bullshit people with absolutely no ethical conscience whatsoever, that you can make big, and I mean fucking BIG money in this game.

It's a concept others have followed and, from a purely financial perspective, it's a model I can understand people will employ. It's guaranteed money from the hands of ignorance.

What AN have done is devised so many bottles and have watered them down so much, that you can actually buy them all and use them without burning your plants. It's a model which is geared simply and solely towards making as much money as possible with as little outlay.

Now I can't guarantee that big mick has not been particularly generous with this one product.... I mean there's a snowball in hell's chance that he has thought fuck it... on the products where I don't have to actually list the minimum amounts, such as the "organically derived" shit - where as long as it's not a known health hazard I don't even have to say what it is - I will fill the bottle to the brim with concentrated aminos and vitamins....

But what I can guarantee is what is guaranteed on every bottle of everything else they sell.

And that's where you need to look in order to get a gauge on what you think will be inside that amino acid vitamin milkshake.....

Because if they are selling 0.5% magnesium sulfate!

Let me just repeat that, half a percent... for what is it? $20?

And if their silicon product is 1%...

One per fucking cent....!

Then brothers and sisters, you have to make a giant leap in logic and faith to think for one minute that the vitamin booster is going to boost anything other than that big mike's bank balance.

 

[Jydcoo]

Worst Day In a Long time. Had to Kill the Ladies. Tip to all who don't have it. Get your Own Property!
Be Sage Grow Fam. I Hope I can Give it a Go in the near future and go Big.
I am Not Mad, I am Blessed.

 

[FreedomTRAIL]

Bummer man....papaduc, what are you growing with?

 

[drgr33nuk]

This is the thing, that they're in there actually doesn't matter. The question is whether they're in there in the quantity that when diluted into the recommended volume of water, there will be the essential amount required to even have an effect.

If your own piss contains nitrogen potassium vitamins and enzymes, a single drop of it in a bottle would mean that technically all those things were in there. In fact technically it would mean that even if you diluted that single drop of urine into a ten gallon tub of water, you could say all those things were in there and you would be committing no violation of any sales act.

Technically.

And it's the same with seaweed, vitamins, anything else.

But some companies are ok with it. Some of them don't just simply want to fuck you for as much as they can.

Believe me, I'm not having a bash at any company for any reason and I am certainly in no way angry towards soft bollocks scientist boy big mike for having a simple idea to make money based on the basic concepts of consumerism.

I am just letting you know because you should, and everyone should, that the concept of advanced nutrients is an extremely simple one and an extremely obvious one to anyone who understands the basic elements they're using and anyone who reads the product label before they would ever read the sales blurb about the magic it does.

They believe, rightly, that people know fuck all. They also know they can sell minute amounts of minerals diluted into a bottle for an absolutely colossal markup and be breaking no law. And they also know that provided you are willing to bullshit people with absolutely no ethical conscience whatsoever, that you can make big, and I mean fucking BIG money in this game.

It's a concept others have followed and, from a purely financial perspective, it's a model I can understand people will employ. It's guaranteed money from the hands of ignorance.

What AN have done is devised so many bottles and have watered them down so much, that you can actually buy them all and use them without burning your plants. It's a model which is geared simply and solely towards making as much money as possible with as little outlay.

Now I can't guarantee that big mick has not been particularly generous with this one product.... I mean there's a snowball in hell's chance that he has thought fuck it... on the products where I don't have to actually list the minimum amounts, such as the "organically derived" shit - where as long as it's not a known health hazard I don't even have to say what it is - I will fill the bottle to the brim with concentrated aminos and vitamins....

But what I can guarantee is what is guaranteed on every bottle of everything else they sell.

And that's where you need to look in order to get a gauge on what you think will be inside that amino acid vitamin milkshake.....

Because if they are selling 0.5% magnesium sulfate!

Let me just repeat that, half a percent... for what is it? $20?

And if their silicon product is 1%...

One per fucking cent....!

Then brothers and sisters, you have to make a giant leap in logic and faith to think for one minute that the vitamin booster is going to boost anything other than that big mike's bank balance.

I totally agree with a lot of what your saying and to be fair you don't have to tell me I go to the trade shows every year and hear all the crap from all the nutrient companies. You only have to look at the amount of companies springing up with some new bullshit to sell you.

an offers a money back guarantee but expects me as a retailer of their crap to front the money and takes months to pay us back. Last time they tried it they got told where to go the cheeky fuckers.

But don't think every company is out to rip you my advice to anyone would be if you want to try something is check the science behind the active ingredient first, then try it!! Everyone has an opinion but you don't know for sure.

If someone asks me what's in that I won't just have a guess and tell them it's shit I tell them what I believe is in it and let me make their own mind up.

My point is I suppose don't hate the player hate the game. AN is a business and the name if the game is make money.

If we were all spoonfed information that we just take as granted and followed others advice blindly we would all be.... Wait that's religion right lol?

 

[papaduc]

I'm not guessing it's shit, I'm saying it's a huge leap in logic to think for whatever reason that their amino products etc would be of a greater concentration and quality than their other products which you can verify using the product label.

If a company makes a magnesium additive that's half a percent, a potassium silicate additive that's 1 percent... etc etc... if their whole line is basically water, then how do you make the assumption that they'll apply a different code of practice to the products they don't even have to verify?

If aminos are your thing, get the L complex from ebay

 

[drgr33nuk]

I'm not guessing it's shit, I'm saying it's a huge leap in logic to think for whatever reason that their amino products etc would be of a greater concentration and quality than their other products which you can verify using the product label.

If a company makes a magnesium additive that's half a percent, a potassium silicate additive that's 1 percent... etc etc... if their whole line is basically water, then how do you make the assumption that they'll apply a different code of practice to the products they don't even have to verify?

If aminos are your thing, get the L complex from ebay

You have an opinion and your entitled to it but I don't agree with your delivery. We all can gather that your no fan of AN and you think that they are watered down shit and I agree to a point but you've told this guy its just P/K when it's not. And the reason you've done this I think is to talk someone out of using it without educating them and misinforming him what is no better than the cowboys selling 3% potassium silicate @ £40

After you've ranted on about it being no better than piss and again slated the product. What your doing my friend is ramming your opinions down peoples throats and expecting them to agree !

You have no proof that this does not contain whats stated and you also don't know the source of the active ingredient & how it is made. They might not tell you what percent is in the bottle but what knowledge do you have to disagree without it only being your opinion ?

And the last bit is just stupid !! You could say the same thing about buying a ballast, go get the components on ebay lol

I've read your post and taken your OPINION on board as I'm sure the OP has too but my advice would be to try it and make your own mind up. If we are all spoon fed information bred from opinion then we become zombies following the next

 

[papaduc]

You have an opinion and your entitled to it but I don't agree with your delivery.

You're entitled to your opinion on my delivery. I admit I can be a bit blunt. A hi mate might not go amiss here and there. But I'll be honest, I won't take it personally if you don't. For me the main thing is the points. It's not really a personal message because I'm not talking to a friend about something close to my heart, I'm talking to some fella who could be one of a thousand fellas who is about to go and buy some overpriced shit.... and I'm sitting on a forum yes, I admit, trying to talk him out of it.

And yes, I'm guessing the amino from AN is watered down....

Let's call it a calculated guess though. I mean, come on.

Now I might not agree with your opinion, but the point I made still stands

You never even focused on what I actually said, and here you are, ranting away.

I said, quote, "It would be a huge leap in logic to think for whatever reason that their amino products etc would be of a greater concentration and quality than their other products"

Which bit of that do you disagree with?

If you want to agree to disagree that's fine, but let's not get all personal over it. I don't care what you think of my delivery and as long as you keep to the points in question I don't care how you deliver your idea to me either.

but you've told this guy its just P/K when it's not. And the reason you've done this I think is to talk someone out of using it without educating them and misinforming him what is no better than the cowboys selling 3% potassium silicate @ £40

So, in a nutshell, people who try to persuade folk away from companies who sell overpriced shit, are as bad as the company who sells overpriced shit?

This is interesting, I have to admit.

What your doing my friend is ramming your opinions down peoples throats and expecting them to agree

I don't expect anyone to agree. In fact I hope they don't just agree with me and I hope the go and try and prove me wrong. If they do they'll find out for themselves what's right.

You have no proof that this does not contain whats stated and you also don't know the source of the active ingredient & how it is made. They might not tell you what percent is in the bottle but what knowledge do you have to disagree without it only being your opinion ?

It's not about the knowledge I have to disagree, because I didn't disagree with them.

It's about the evidence I have to be cynical, which is every other bottle in their product line.

And the last bit is just stupid !! You could say the same thing about buying a ballast, go get the components on ebay lol

If they design a ballast which you make by adding a teaspoon of electrical components to a gallon of water then yes, it's exactly like that.

my advice would be to try it and make your own mind up.

My advice would be to make your mind up then try it.

If we are all spoon fed information bred from opinion then we become zombies following the next

People can feed themselves.