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I think you need to better understand the differences between annuals and perennials and why each may change color outdoors in the fall. This is the INDOOR hydro forum, your annuals INDOORS will only change color due to grower error (or genetics in the case of purples/magentas).
Yup as well as temps change color as in my picture i posted i let temps drop well below normal ranges lights off as i was week from being done And to the person you quoted this to
what causes color change in a leaf ????
The process that starts the cascade of events that result in fall color is actually a growth process. In late summer or early autumn, the days begin to get shorter, and nights are longer. Like most plants, deciduous trees and shrubs are rather sensitive to length of the dark period each day. When nights reach a threshold value and are long enough, the cells near the juncture of the leaf and the stem divide rapidly, but they do not expand. This abscission layer is a corky layer of cells that slowly begins to block transport of materials such as carbohydrates from the leaf to the branch. It also blocks the flow of minerals from the roots into the leaves. Because the starting time of the whole process is dependent on night length, fall colors appear at about the same time each year in a given location, whether temperatures are cooler or warmer than normal.
During the growing season, chlorophyll is replaced constantly in the leaves. Chlorophyll breaks down with exposure to light in the same way that colored paper fades in sunlight. The leaves must manufacture new chlorophyll to replace chlorophyll that is lost in this way. In autumn, when the connection between the leaf and the rest of the plant begins to be blocked off, the production of chlorophyll slows and then stops. In a relatively short time period, the chlorophyll disappears completely.
So this has nothing to do with the root system or not enough nutrients in soil the plant stops it naturally and trust me there is aa abundance of nutrients under any shrub or tree and in this case marijuana i have up'd my game buy keeping that plant greener rather then starving it to death from growing 70 plants hahaha and getting 6 - 7 pounds to growing 12 plants and achieving 7 3/4 pounds and thats what its all about in the end yield
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stop listening or reading books from people like jorge cervantes he is a utter bum sold his book rights.
if you actually think about it he goes around other peoples grows NOT HIS and goes bla bla bla only thing i give him credit for is his MJ movement 20 - 30 years ago but ??? look at him really he is a bum i would say 75 percent of his stuff is so outdated its not even funny
People use your Head and stop falling for the old myths plants break down the food your giving them so next time you smoke weed and it snap crackle and pops may be just maybe you should work on your drying skills and curing cause thats where you failed terribly
if you actually think about it he goes around other peoples grows NOT HIS and goes bla bla bla only thing i give him credit for is his MJ movement 20 - 30 years ago but ??? look at him really he is a bum i would say 75 percent of his stuff is so outdated its not even funny
People use your Head and stop falling for the old myths plants break down the food your giving them so next time you smoke weed and it snap crackle and pops may be just maybe you should work on your drying skills and curing cause thats where you failed terribly
I have met cervantes. I have had him in my garden. He is a journalist and does not know shit about plants. Drying does not make your weed go snap crackle pop, thats pretty funny man/woman. It is too much ferts period. I can smoke a joint from a plant that is not even dry yet, 4 days on the line and nice and white{with a thin silver rizzla not a white or blue zigzag or other thick horse blanket papers people use to hide there crappy burn}. Many grows and experience of dialing my nutrients till i get a white clean ash tells me different, i have smoked enough over ferted plants{black ash be npk mag/cal etc etc etc} that i have grown my self to see the progression. Thanks
could you please inform us all what magnesium tastes like or nitrogen when smoked ??? or better yet phos hahaha really now now some first year horticulture for you you must think that the plants just suck up them ferts your giving them huh i figured so
Most of the solid material in a plant is taken from the atmosphere. Through a process known as photosynthesis, plants use the energy in sunlight to convert carbon dioxide from the atmosphere into simple sugars. These sugars are then used as building blocks and form the main structural component of the plant. Plants rely on soil primarily for support and water (in quantitative terms), but also obtain nitrogen, phosphorus and other crucial elemental nutrients. For the majority of plants to grow successfully they also require oxygen in the atmosphere and around their roots for respiration. However, a few specialized vascular plants, such as Mangroves, can grow with their roots in anoxic conditions.
Internal distribution
Vascular plants differ from other plants in that they transport nutrients between different parts through specialized structures, called xylem and phloem. They also have roots for taking up water and minerals. The xylem moves water and minerals from the root to the rest of the plant, and the phloem provides the roots with sugars and other nutrient produced by the leaves.
To be more specific, carbon fixation produces an intermediate product, which is then converted to the final carbohydrate products. The carbon skeletons produced by photosynthesis are then variously used to form other organic compounds, such as the building material cellulose, as precursors for lipid and amino acid biosynthesis, or as a fuel in cellular respiration. The latter occurs not only in plants but also in animals when the energy from plants gets passed through a food chain. Organisms dependent on photosynthetic and chemosynthetic organisms are called heterotrophs. In general outline, cellular respiration is the opposite of photosynthesis: Glucose and other compounds are oxidized to produce carbon dioxide, water, and chemical energy. However, the two processes take place through a different sequence of chemical reactions and in different cellular compartments.
Plants absorb light primarily using the pigment chlorophyll, which is the reason that most plants have a green color. The function of chlorophyll is often supported by other accessory pigments such as carotenes and xanthophylls. Both chlorophyll and accessory pigments are contained in organelles (compartments within the cell) called chloroplasts. Although all cells in the green parts of a plant have chloroplasts, most of the energy is captured in the leaves. The cells in the interior tissues of a leaf, called the mesophyll, can contain between 450,000 and 800,000 chloroplasts for every square millimeter of leaf. The surface of the leaf is uniformly coated with a water-resistant waxy cuticle that protects the leaf from excessive evaporation of water and decreases the absorption of ultraviolet or blue light to reduce heating. The transparent epidermis layer allows light to pass through to the palisade mesophyll cells where most of the photosynthesis takes place.
Plants convert light into chemical energy with a maximum photosynthetic efficiency of approximately 6%.[4][5][6] By comparison solar panels convert light into electric energy at a photosynthetic efficiency of approximately 10-20%. Actual plant's photosynthetic efficiency varies with the frequency of the light being converted, light intensity, temperature and proportion of CO2 in atmosphere.
Most of the solid material in a plant is taken from the atmosphere. Through a process known as photosynthesis, plants use the energy in sunlight to convert carbon dioxide from the atmosphere into simple sugars. These sugars are then used as building blocks and form the main structural component of the plant. Plants rely on soil primarily for support and water (in quantitative terms), but also obtain nitrogen, phosphorus and other crucial elemental nutrients. For the majority of plants to grow successfully they also require oxygen in the atmosphere and around their roots for respiration. However, a few specialized vascular plants, such as Mangroves, can grow with their roots in anoxic conditions.
Internal distribution
Vascular plants differ from other plants in that they transport nutrients between different parts through specialized structures, called xylem and phloem. They also have roots for taking up water and minerals. The xylem moves water and minerals from the root to the rest of the plant, and the phloem provides the roots with sugars and other nutrient produced by the leaves.
To be more specific, carbon fixation produces an intermediate product, which is then converted to the final carbohydrate products. The carbon skeletons produced by photosynthesis are then variously used to form other organic compounds, such as the building material cellulose, as precursors for lipid and amino acid biosynthesis, or as a fuel in cellular respiration. The latter occurs not only in plants but also in animals when the energy from plants gets passed through a food chain. Organisms dependent on photosynthetic and chemosynthetic organisms are called heterotrophs. In general outline, cellular respiration is the opposite of photosynthesis: Glucose and other compounds are oxidized to produce carbon dioxide, water, and chemical energy. However, the two processes take place through a different sequence of chemical reactions and in different cellular compartments.
Plants absorb light primarily using the pigment chlorophyll, which is the reason that most plants have a green color. The function of chlorophyll is often supported by other accessory pigments such as carotenes and xanthophylls. Both chlorophyll and accessory pigments are contained in organelles (compartments within the cell) called chloroplasts. Although all cells in the green parts of a plant have chloroplasts, most of the energy is captured in the leaves. The cells in the interior tissues of a leaf, called the mesophyll, can contain between 450,000 and 800,000 chloroplasts for every square millimeter of leaf. The surface of the leaf is uniformly coated with a water-resistant waxy cuticle that protects the leaf from excessive evaporation of water and decreases the absorption of ultraviolet or blue light to reduce heating. The transparent epidermis layer allows light to pass through to the palisade mesophyll cells where most of the photosynthesis takes place.
Plants convert light into chemical energy with a maximum photosynthetic efficiency of approximately 6%.[4][5][6] By comparison solar panels convert light into electric energy at a photosynthetic efficiency of approximately 10-20%. Actual plant's photosynthetic efficiency varies with the frequency of the light being converted, light intensity, temperature and proportion of CO2 in atmosphere.
Taste like black ash and burns your lips and mouth
show me your ash in a thin paper?
You just don't know, You can qoute all the fancy paper you want my experience tell me different{drying has nothing to do with the black ash}, and all my friends know and learn the same thing the longer they hang in our circle and grow. It is ok some day you might learn, When quality trumps yield come and talk to me. We will have a smoke off...
"So this has nothing to do with the root system or not enough nutrients in soil the plant stops it naturally and trust me there is aa abundance of nutrients under any shrub or tree and in this case marijuana i have up'd my game buy keeping that plant greener rather then starving it to death from growing 70 plants hahaha and getting 6 - 7 pounds to growing 12 plants and achieving 7 3/4 pounds and thats what its all about in the end yield "
says it all/ I grow for quality//My yield is fine i have hit over a 1.5 a light many times.
show me your ash in a thin paper?
You just don't know, You can qoute all the fancy paper you want my experience tell me different{drying has nothing to do with the black ash}, and all my friends know and learn the same thing the longer they hang in our circle and grow. It is ok some day you might learn, When quality trumps yield come and talk to me. We will have a smoke off...
"So this has nothing to do with the root system or not enough nutrients in soil the plant stops it naturally and trust me there is aa abundance of nutrients under any shrub or tree and in this case marijuana i have up'd my game buy keeping that plant greener rather then starving it to death from growing 70 plants hahaha and getting 6 - 7 pounds to growing 12 plants and achieving 7 3/4 pounds and thats what its all about in the end yield "
says it all/ I grow for quality//My yield is fine i have hit over a 1.5 a light many times.
so your saying cause i grow quantity my quality suffers hahaha the reference was to autumn colors it does not fall into our indoor growing like this thread is all about...
70 + percent of growers fail miserably when it comes to drying an curing weed and thats a fact
you mention you grow your quality weed yet you have not one picture on this site or journal that i can find to me says it all,,, And you had jorge in your garden hahaha yea ok we believe you we really do lmao
I am real sorry that i got my rooms so dialed in that if you farted it would detect it to to say cause i yield higher and not get quality shows me your ignorance dude to be able to get half pound of hash from 12 plants trimmins tells me shes pretty sticky buds so quality must be up there yea think either way keep trolling
70 + percent of growers fail miserably when it comes to drying an curing weed and thats a fact
you mention you grow your quality weed yet you have not one picture on this site or journal that i can find to me says it all,,, And you had jorge in your garden hahaha yea ok we believe you we really do lmao
I am real sorry that i got my rooms so dialed in that if you farted it would detect it to to say cause i yield higher and not get quality shows me your ignorance dude to be able to get half pound of hash from 12 plants trimmins tells me shes pretty sticky buds so quality must be up there yea think either way keep trolling
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Lets take it down a notch here. Dr you're always copying and pasting esoteric information. In the fan leaf removal thread it has been nothing short of beating my head against a wall trying to go back and forth with you. Just bc someone doesn't have albums on here you're assuming they aren't capable? Thats a very shortsighted way of thinking. Showing off your photos doesn't get us anywhere closer to a conclusion here. This thread should be a poll if they didn't already make one. As for professionalism and high end grower preference, a solid flush has been a standard ime. I have a friend who does a dwc like mine. He uses many of the same nutes as me and at similar strengths. He flushes for 2-3 days. His herb is notorious for black ash and headaches as well as minimal flavor. I do the same strains the same style and i flush two weeks minimum. My ash is always white and people dont complain about headaches or black ash. Im not saying what anyone should do or whats right or wrong, but, i think my patients deserve the cleanest product i can provide with my setup.
Growing for personal use only will change your life. It will affect how you grow and what strains you choose. It is like day and night in the way you assess.
Greed blinds people. At the heart of it, in my opinion, people want maximum quantity and aren't willing to admit to themselves any evidence that gets in their way, even if it means only subtle differences in yield. I only realized it in myself when I gave up trying to make a buck from growing.
I don't trim nearly as tightly as I had done in the past. People look at my bud and say that if I trim closer, it would be better quality. Then I watch them trim, with their fingers all over the bud using scissors to dig inside and get every little leaf. Their fingers and scissors are loaded up with hash that came from that bud. Then they say "see". I cry inside as they are smashing resin heads and smearing the resin all over the place, resin that was once in the bud.
Yes, it looks better in the bag ($$$$), if you didn't have to witness the clumsy unintended removal of all that resin.
Sadly, this greed has affected the choice of strains and has trained a whole generation or two of smokers to prefer certain strains, and this causes them to miss out on a wide variety of dramatically different types of highs. That is a whole other can of worms.
Happily, growing is fun and is making people happy despite their intentions. Have fun everyone.
I'm done poking fingers in the eye of convention, for a little while.
T.B.
^^^ ALL of that. ^^^
sure i only grow 100watts in a 2'x2' box. i'm not after yields i'm after quality. like thai said, it's a whole different game when you focus on growing the weed the best it can grow rather than force feeding it a bunch of nutes to get maximum yield. if i wan't maximum yield i'll just add more plants.
i have tons of pictures, and several threads. but none of that is gonna help if all you see is a bunch of leaves when you look at plants. all you're gonna see when you look at mine is how shitty the leaves look. but i'll stake my life on a blind taste test that my best sample vs your best sample i would win.
it's quite arrogant i agree, but i am that confident.
p.s. that stuff you said about improperly dried weed snapping crackling and popping...wrong!. wet weed burns to black ash and doesn't stay lit. unflushed nuted up weed snaps crackles and pops...it's from all the magnesium that you say makes the ash white.
white or gray, it's all good. dark grey and black ash = no no. i think i'm gonna do a quick ash test. put my money where my mouth is real quick.
sure i only grow 100watts in a 2'x2' box. i'm not after yields i'm after quality. like thai said, it's a whole different game when you focus on growing the weed the best it can grow rather than force feeding it a bunch of nutes to get maximum yield. if i wan't maximum yield i'll just add more plants.
i have tons of pictures, and several threads. but none of that is gonna help if all you see is a bunch of leaves when you look at plants. all you're gonna see when you look at mine is how shitty the leaves look. but i'll stake my life on a blind taste test that my best sample vs your best sample i would win.
it's quite arrogant i agree, but i am that confident.
p.s. that stuff you said about improperly dried weed snapping crackling and popping...wrong!. wet weed burns to black ash and doesn't stay lit. unflushed nuted up weed snaps crackles and pops...it's from all the magnesium that you say makes the ash white.
white or gray, it's all good. dark grey and black ash = no no. i think i'm gonna do a quick ash test. put my money where my mouth is real quick.
so your saying cause i grow quantity my quality suffers hahaha the reference was to autumn colors it does not fall into our indoor growing like this thread is all about...
70 + percent of growers fail miserably when it comes to drying an curing weed and thats a fact
you mention you grow your quality weed yet you have not one picture on this site or journal that i can find to me says it all,,, And you had jorge in your garden hahaha yea ok we believe you we really do lmao
I am real sorry that i got my rooms so dialed in that if you farted it would detect it to to say cause i yield higher and not get quality shows me your ignorance dude to be able to get half pound of hash from 12 plants trimmins tells me shes pretty sticky buds so quality must be up there yea think either way keep trolling
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?threadid=272279
here is a thread start to finish of colombian black. I have done a lot more grows but not at this site... Georges was in my garden for a issue of high times o maybe 5 or 6 years ago, he visited a few growers in BC at that time..You just sound young is all ....I am done...
ps half lbs plants happen all the time in my world. here is a haze grow...have a nice day green to my fav shade of yellow
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Vapor...I'm not the most experienced grower in the world....prolly considered a noob by most folks on here....but I gotta say those last 2 pics where the leaves on the haze were yellow look amazing. Where I come from we call that "golden perfection" . U ever need someone to come motorboat ur grow room I'm ur man!
Vapor i probably got 20 years on yea there bud 50+ here growing for quite some time you have people well respected people on this site like uncle buck, and others that also believe keeping her green is a better approach then letting plant fade off remember were mother nature in our rooms we can make a difference just because MJ is a annual outside does not mean we have to let her die off as many more or less say but ??? it is wise knowing your strain and where the genetics came from to help grow it better such as temps , winds and so on corporating it into your grow room for instance like some kushes from hindu mountains where winds are more abundant temps fluctuate etc i am far from some commercial grower so please dont place me into that group i have done stupid big grows 20,000 watts and have let her yellow off , rives above and like most nutrient companies also tell you the high point of nutrients and as last few weeks lowering ppm / ec more or less back to clone stage so build it up then back it off as it almosts finishes , but to starve a plant last 2 weeks of flowering when its the most crucial just does not make sense in my book nothing to veg a plant correct it if problems arize but once in flower there is no correcting nothing if she yellows off to quick due to deficiencies it effects everything so fighting to keep her green is really KEY to quality and yields as long as you can
PS organic grower here with chems added in late veg and flower
PS organic grower here with chems added in late veg and flower
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small sample little over a week since i chopped been sitting out all night so it's gonna be super dry. mostly white ash. some black on the edges i'm guessing paper, but a little in the weed too. no pops, no snaps no crackles.
but coulda let it go longer to get yellower.
The last two pics are the day of harvest. Why you would add chems to organics i do not get?? I have not used a bottle in 6 or more years or a ph pen i use a vortex tea brewer and microbes do lots of work. Started organics{amendments} and all the guidance i got lead me to black ash. As i learned and tapper my nutrient level over the years i have found the sweets spot for the strains i grow. I have used the same soil for over 6 years. I am taking the time to understand/ tailor my fert inputs{ideal soil}, grow after grow not just a flush it is the total input of ferts over the whole life/timing, many variables to this equation. Every time i smoked green bud compared to yellowed buds the yellowed buds are always better. Better tasting better high better medicine. The proof is in the end product. I have met guys with 30 years experience and still cant grow a crop that burns nice and white, But there yields were big so they think they are growing great meds{lol}. Anyone can put a whole wack of ferts down and grow huge buds and get huge yields. It is another thing to dial in a strain To were i have a clean ash and get a good yields takes time and adjusting. The lessons are infinite. I have met many organic growers, but not many like me. I have friends that use chems the same way and do a beautiful job so there are many wayz to skin a cat. Chems organic whatevers the maximize of the yellow is what we have grown to like as medicine and have in common. I have seen to many people time and time again try the yellow plants go wow and end up adjusting there grows. Have a nice day.
look like it need to go just a little bit longer.... getting close!
You know i hear stories from old timers about timewarp and that the best timewarp used to be all yellow leaves...
You know i hear stories from old timers about timewarp and that the best timewarp used to be all yellow leaves...
My opinion and experience.
Many ways to trigger senescence, but the important thing is that it is done.
Autumn colors or yellow leaves on fully developed plants results in a clean, tasty, smooth burn down to the nub.
Pics: Sasquatch, Sweet Skunk x Chinese, and SPG x ISpice
Many ways to trigger senescence, but the important thing is that it is done.
Autumn colors or yellow leaves on fully developed plants results in a clean, tasty, smooth burn down to the nub.
Pics: Sasquatch, Sweet Skunk x Chinese, and SPG x ISpice
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