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[Gil Tokerson]

There's a difference between a happy accident, and a stable hybrid. Random crosses for your own fun is one thing. But releasing said crosses with no sort of testing is kind of shady.
No amount of bitchng about it will stop it. That's why it's up to the consumer to do their research before investing in New genetics.

-gil

 

[budtang]

I don't think larger scale breeder necessarily have smaller breeders beat in the quality department. More so, the variety department. Bigger breeders can play around with and stabilize a much larger range of diverse genetics have a much larger selection, as a result. I think consistency is another advantage seeds from a bigger breeder gets you.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

So that means the creators of chem, og, diesel, cookies, etc
have done us a disservice?

you're totally missing the point….the creators of chem, OG, and cookies are in a different ballpark, we are talking about the swerves and other pollen hacks who then take those chem, OG, cookies and "breed" with them, then release their watered down untested hermie prone crap onto the mass market.

 

[evertking]

When I think of breeding, I think of the big swiss greenhouses with Steve and Shanti ect..ALL them damn plants they had for selection. Not a tent with a jug silver. Don't get me wrong, a good TESTED s1 off the bay is a good thing for folks that can't obtain a cut and I have bought and probably will again. But its not to be confused with old school breeders who have put in the work. To say any body could have done what DJ done with blueberry is well... Kinda dishearting that there are few breeders doing that today.. Sure anybody can do it.. But to do it with passion,love and vision is different... Dj,Tom and ****** are a few that come to mind that work their lines.. Things sure have changed in the scene with fem seeds and some states being legal. I sometimes think and wonder if this is gonna(legal MJ) back fire on us. I just don't want the man to take and pimp out the plant we love. There is alot of money to be made from it and they know that. I personally would like to grow and smoke my own as opposed to filling up the ride and grabbing a pack Mj cigs.

 

[evertking]

GSC - forum (Dry nug shots)- 70day bloom

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Beautiful nugs!

 

[acridlab]

you're totally missing the point….the creators of chem, OG, and cookies are in a different ballpark, we are talking about the swerves and other pollen hacks who then take those chem, OG, cookies and "breed" with them, then release their watered down untested hermie prone crap onto the mass market.

I guess I need to read up on the different ballparks..
I see it like this; even if the hacks like swerve and the other hated breeders of late, pollenhack and release untested varieties,, we the growers are in essence, the testers of these unknowns. it's all numbers, basically.. out of 100 beans sent out, one of them could be,"elite" status.. so even those pollen hacks can potentially being the world some fire.. as long as the parent stock was good, the offspring can be as good, and even better..

 

[Mikenite69]

Not for nothing but isn't rascal as small time breeder? At one point I heard he was breeding in a micro cab.

Not saying that anyone is wrong I think looking through a bigger population of plants is definitley way better than a few. But really if you make a cross and are able to look through 20 to 30 offspring what more can u look at?

I mean how many phenos can there possibly be in a cross not many. I think if you pop atleast 30 beans of a cross I think it would be more than enough to figure what's in the line.

But I am in no way a breeder just a hobbyist that likes to take chances with a nice male and making some seeds that's only if the male impresses me and has nice looks, structure and smell.

 

[Mikenite69]

I must say I am with the rest of you when saying someone that just started growing should not become a breeder until they have a better understanding of the plant and can grow atleast.

But in today's market people get elite cuts and now become breeders overnight. Years back you might of had a handful of seedbanks and breeders now they are everywhere.

 

[HidingInTheHaze]

Not for nothing but isn't rascal as small time breeder? At one point I heard he was breeding in a micro cab.

It's not the size of the show it's how you use it. I don't give a crap about Raskal but the guy has put in his time, go look at his join date here and I believe he was around back in the OG days too. He wasn't some noob that did one grow and then decided to start up a seed co.

I think real breeders have the knowledge and growing skills to know what plants will combine best together. The less your experience with growing and strains the less you will know what to look for or how to separate the good from the bad. I mean how can you accutately judge a plant if you grow like crap and have never seen a plant grown to fullest potential? You can take a clone, grown right and it's an elite, grown like crap and it will be worse than mexican shwag.

You wouldn't hire a guy that built one bird house to build your house would you? You'd want a guy that is a skilled carpenter and has built many houses, the same should go for seeds.

 

[Mikenite69]

Oh I totally agree with you hiding. That's why I said people shouldn't become seed makers until they can atleast grow or atleast have grown more than a couple harvest and have atleast 10 years of growing under there belt.

My main point was about having to grow out a 1000 or even a hundred seeds of a single cross I feel that is a waste of space. Growing 30 should let you know what is in the line. Then again maybe I'll say 40 to look through because of males and females.

 

[evertking]

And killed a mite or two.

 

[TickleMyBalls]

The one thing I have noticed that all breeders I know share, is an amazing ability to recognize something subtly unique about a plant. They will point out things about plants, or flowers, that your average grower wouldn't notice, or be able to describe. They are masters of selection, masters of flavor, masters of altering consciousness. DJ short in particular breeds for all around effect. He gets the feeling he wants and tinkers with the flavor later.

 

[Jbomber79]

or buying out the competition these people specialize in genetic modification I doubt they don't know where to start? either way I'm with you I hope "we" can retain our dignity and not participate in this market of gmo cannabis.

Well, major companies are courting the current class of breeders, cause they don't know where to start when it comes to cannabis. So changes will be dictated by people we already know. Let's hope none of them take the money to splice the kill gene in. Then we're all fucked.

 

[subrob]

There would be nothing wrong w all these new "breeders" if they were sending their wares into the server fund for twenty dollar bins...or shit..selling them as twenty dollar bins...but its a different world out there today...all you need is a Facebook or instagram page and all ofa a sudden you are a business...all of a sudden you can charge 70 a pack for your first seed project! But you can't hold it against any of them..its 100% the fault of newbies who don't yet know better...plus this is a website designed to sell seeds-the forums here are just a bonus to help sell seeds(EDIT-and I love it!END EDIT)..so paying dues means something different here
"Its immoral to let a sucker keep his money"

 

[Grizz]

I don't think larger scale breeder necessarily have smaller breeders beat in the quality department. More so, the variety department. Bigger breeders can play around with and stabilize a much larger range of diverse genetics have a much larger selection, as a result. I think consistency is another advantage seeds from a bigger breeder gets you.

you can do all your own breeding for yourself and have a blast and maybe get lucky and find a elite, it happens . as a breeder like Sam and others that have done it for 20 plus years its about true breeding . like when you drive by a corn field and every plant looks exactly alike. no herms, every plant is a result of controlled , planned pollination. with legalization and regulations on thc % I am sure its going to turn into a multi million dollor corporation .

 

[budtang]

. with legalization and regulations on thc %

I'm not aware of any THC % regulations currently. I don't even see how you could have regulations like that when testing methods are flawed and don't actually give you a 100% accurate representation of the THC %.

 

[budtang]

I don't agree that breeders will turn into multimillion dollar corporations. There is only so much of a demand their product. Once you get a keeper from a pack of seeds you're done buying those seeds until you lose it and desire to get it back. There just isn't a lot money in a product that can be produced over and over by the consumer who keeps a mother plant. I think you'll see the number of breeders decrease over time because of this fact. There just won't be a market big enough to demand the creation of new genetics by new breeders when establish breeder are still creating new genetics themselves and using superior resources to do so.

 

[budtang]

Seeds are probably one of the only products in existence where a consumer can actually love the product and yet have no need to ever purchase it again. That's assuming they're not purchasing your genetics in clone form from a dispensary who isn't giving you a cut of those sales profits at all. That's not a recipe for a profitable business venture.

 

[whadeezlrg]

the majority of big players in the seed industry are already multi-million dollar companies, they may not be ran like microsoft but they are definitely bringing in a butt-load of money with every release...one of the best things about cannabis is the available variety, while i agree that once you find a keeper you probably won't be buying another pack of those beans , i'm willing to bet you'd be more inclined to purchase another cross from the same company to try your luck out with a new variety...clones can be a pita for your average joe that would just throw 10 plants in his backyard over summer to stock up on smoke until the next fall/next harvest. With the next big thing always around the corner seed companies are definitely sustainable. one would only need to sell 10,000 packs @ $100 to gross a million(you can easily get a thousand beans from a heavily seeded oz, I'm willing to bet a heavily seeded 4 lighter could produce 100,000 beans easily)...not all that out of reality considering denver ht cup had over 40,000 people in attendance on each day of the event bear in mind that is also one weekend/one event/one locale/ amongst many of the same throughout the year. Let's not forget to mention online distribution, magazine/catalog orders, direct sales through dispensaries/recreational outlets, etc. There is more likeliness to make millions in the seed game then there is in the grow game any day of the week.

 

[TickleMyBalls]

Seeds are probably one of the only products in existence where a consumer can actually love the product and yet have no need to ever purchase it again. That's assuming they're not purchasing your genetics in clone form from a dispensary who isn't giving you a cut of those sales profits at all. That's not a recipe for a profitable business venture.

We in America have a very narrow view of the seed industry. What you folks miss is the fact that 75% of the global market is fem seeds being purchased every season. People don't want to keep clones, they don't want to sort out males. Sad, but true.