Shatter and Wax, the differences and how-to's?

[dabKling]

Hey Big Johnny, are you running a CLS by any chance? If so, you could probably convert it to a little still. In fact, I kind of remember GW posting something about doing just that...

(goes to SPR.com)

ahh yes, here it is:
http://skunkpharmresearch.com/enabler-alcohol-fractionating-still/

Also, they make some pretty clever little home stills. They probably don't ship to Canada, but if they do, you can find some pretty nice ones for around 4-500. Sounds like a lot, but if you're paying that kind of money for everclear, it'll be worth it.

I like this one 'cause it's shiny:
http://www.homebrewing.org/product....Xt65DVcA6rCPqqWXZZjiv7n0cO4tbZHoQtBoC4Lnw_wcB

that thing looks like your halfway home to a closed loop extractor!

 

[Chonkski]

that thing looks like your halfway home to a closed loop extractor!

More a less a good solution if you just so happen to be running an mkIII already.

Although building the refluxing still first, you'd only be a small
Shopping list away from the mkIII

 

[BigJohnny]

I'm actually looking into a Mk3, that is our long term goal.

 

[jdee]

I'm Canadian. They do not ship to Canada.

Hello Canadian, have you heard of BioFlame? $25 for a gallon.
http://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/h...starters/bioflame-ethanol-3-78l-0643537p.html

according to the MSDS it's 95% ethanol and 5% isopropyl alcohol

 

[HighStateToke]

Shatter is a winterized extract and the alcohol that is to be purged is not volatile enough to cause much bubbles while evaporating with or without a vacuum.
Wax is an extract that has not been winterized and has been purged under high vacuum and solidified while the butane bubbles are escaping.

Shatter is not necessarily winterized. Same goes for wax, you can very well have non winterized shatter and winterized wax. It all depends on your post extraction tech.

 

[Daub Marley]

Shatter is not necessarily winterized. Same goes for wax, you can very well have non winterized shatter and winterized wax. It all depends on your post extraction tech.

Well I just wanted to give a simplistic answer. In general it is true. If you don't winterize and make it into a shatter it will be a lot less stable (melt/become gooey much easier).
If you winterize and attempt to mimic a wax by getting a bubbly structure it will be more crispy as compared to a creamy consistency.

 

[Chonkski]

Agreed.. When working with older stuff, sometimes you have no control over the end product at all. It will be dark and sappy regardless

 

[superglue]

here is a reflux head with a 2 inch tri clamp base

http://moonshinedistiller.com/stainless-steel-dual-purpose-reflux-still-tower-2-inches

fwiw

 

[Pure777Extracts]

Here are some basic instructions, skunkpharm might overwhelm you but refer to them for proper procedure http://forum.grasscity.com/harvesti...-bho-pass-testing-really-nice-waxshatter.html

 

[BigJohnny]

I've been getting a lot of our info from SP.

We've been having some troubles during the production process.... I'm actually just about to make a thread with some pics.

 

[D. B. Doober]

my personal dispensary might start carrying shatter. Not sure if I'd buy it, rather have regular hash or buds but I know about you dabbers

 

[BigJohnny]

I'm still a bit on the fence about it, mostly because my city is full of retards who constantly believe they have the best shit around and that nothing compares (believe me quite the opposite is true)

But a gram of good shatter will last me about a week and I'm a very heavy smoker..... basically first thing I do when I wake up is smoke copious amounts of pot, and continue to do so until I go to bed.

 

[Pure777Extracts]

I'm still a bit on the fence about it, mostly because my city is full of retards who constantly believe they have the best shit around and that nothing compares (believe me quite the opposite is true)

But a gram of good shatter will last me about a week and I'm a very heavy smoker..... basically first thing I do when I wake up is smoke copious amounts of pot, and continue to do so until I go to bed.

Lol it will save you money if you dab

 

[BigJohnny]

http://www.winechateau.com/controller.aspx?type=view&info=search&a=ft&v=Everclear

Lol it will save you money if you dab

I tend to agree now, but I'm still fairly poor so its hard to actually justify the cost sometimes, but I haven't had to pay for it recently so I'm definitely saving money.

At some point I'm going to look into getting a nail or health stone.... I just tried a health stone lastnight on a bong... WOW.

 

[Chonkski]

I asked some homies in Canada how they winterize. Just waiting for the reply.

Adept is that your name on IG too? I just followed you man, I am nectarextracts

 

[Chonkski]

A buddy on another thread actually mentioned some kind of stove fuel that is Etoh with 10% IPA sold in Canada, called Bio-Flame.

 

[BigJohnny]

I asked some homies in Canada how they winterize. Just waiting for the reply.

Adept is that your name on IG too? I just followed you man, I am nectarextracts

Nah dude I'm bigjohnny and at least for now I'm not worth following.....give me time though, what I'm on to now will be worth following in a few months or so.

I'm a nobody, not worth following..... and I'm perfectly happy that way in fact, I prefer it

 

[Chonkski]

I apologize big Johnny, that question was actually directed towards AdeptExtracts.. Although I wouldn't mind following you once you get some slabs going!

 

[JointOperation]

i read all of skunkpharms stuff. and in the winterize section. i couldn't find the actual TEMPS to purge at.. and same with a lot of the info there.. theres tons of great info.. but it gets confusing.. theres missing info that made me come to the forums.. an guess what.. instead of people helping. i get the dude go research it some more the info is there..

lol. ya your right the info is somewere.. but not easy to find ill tell u one thing.. i look EVERYWERE i spend lots of time reading.. and writing.. and still cant find a definite answer for winterizing temps and times for purge. or ethanol purging techniques.. because honestly. i soaked a grinder in a ethanol solution.. and it fucking yielded over 4 grams of oil.. after days on the purge 115 at -29.5 hg i can still smell the ethanol ..

and i don't wana start winterizing this 30 gram patty of wax.. without figuring out the purge FIRST..

 

[Chonkski]

i read all of skunkpharms stuff. and in the winterize section. i couldn't find the actual TEMPS to purge at.. and same with a lot of the info there.. theres tons of great info.. but it gets confusing.. theres missing info that made me come to the forums.. an guess what.. instead of people helping. i get the dude go research it some more the info is there..

lol. ya your right the info is somewere.. but not easy to find ill tell u one thing.. i look EVERYWERE i spend lots of time reading.. and writing.. and still cant find a definite answer for winterizing temps and times for purge. or ethanol purging techniques.. because honestly. i soaked a grinder in a ethanol solution.. and it fucking yielded over 4 grams of oil.. after days on the purge 115 at -29.5 hg i can still smell the ethanol ..

and i don't wana start winterizing this 30 gram patty of wax.. without figuring out the purge FIRST..

Any chance you have kik? I can help you directly?

I know the feeling bro!