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well from my observations ... <<<< old guy .. cheap scope.... from my observations i would say at 67 days she is predominately milky ... at 80 days she is about 30 percent or so amber. As far as cutting a plant .. .I really like to see her run her course and fade quite a bit before cutting. For me she faded pretty slow .. hence the 80 day cut 
Im running organic amended soil and just add water. Was my first run with her so as long as she looked happy and green i saw no sense in taking her. Try to let the plant do what she will in my own garden and not cut her by what she did in someone else circumstances. Ill smoke these samples and see if I feel the same way .... but one thing is for sure ... Ill be running her again .. yummm
Im running organic amended soil and just add water. Was my first run with her so as long as she looked happy and green i saw no sense in taking her. Try to let the plant do what she will in my own garden and not cut her by what she did in someone else circumstances. Ill smoke these samples and see if I feel the same way .... but one thing is for sure ... Ill be running her again .. yummm
When I ran her she was fully cloudy with a couple ambers here and there maybe 3% at 9wks. At 10 wks she was about 10-15% amber...
I run fully amended, water only soil as well...
I suppose how much N you have in the mix to begin with plays a large part in how long a plant stays green...just as much as how much soil they are in and if the roots ever begin to bind, etc...
Depending on the genetics, I can use the same mix for plants that flower anywhere from 8-14wks...
Senescence sets in automatically in any of those situations. I start checking trichs once I see the plants start to fade naturally...as their own chemical and hormonal composition dictates...
I've always found trich color to coincide with maturity...and the more they fade, the more they amber up. It's a directly proportional relationship.
I've never really tried to keep plants green - and if I don't start seeing the lowers start to fade between 6.5-8.5-12 weeks, strain depending, I'd personally consider my mix to be too hot in the first place...
But I'm no expert...so what do I know. I've only grown in slightly over 300 different amendment mix variations...
dank.Frank
I run fully amended, water only soil as well...
I suppose how much N you have in the mix to begin with plays a large part in how long a plant stays green...just as much as how much soil they are in and if the roots ever begin to bind, etc...
Depending on the genetics, I can use the same mix for plants that flower anywhere from 8-14wks...
Senescence sets in automatically in any of those situations. I start checking trichs once I see the plants start to fade naturally...as their own chemical and hormonal composition dictates...
I've always found trich color to coincide with maturity...and the more they fade, the more they amber up. It's a directly proportional relationship.
I've never really tried to keep plants green - and if I don't start seeing the lowers start to fade between 6.5-8.5-12 weeks, strain depending, I'd personally consider my mix to be too hot in the first place...
But I'm no expert...so what do I know. I've only grown in slightly over 300 different amendment mix variations...
dank.Frank
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This is true, all plants do have a life cycle...
However what is a common misconception is that this life cycle can't be pushed harder...
When you provide the plant with luxury levels of certain elements , strains that normally took 9 weeks are now taking 11 , and the only difference is larger flowers with more resin.
I know it is a hard concept to understand, but it is true.
Some of these elements are Cobalt , Sulfur , Calcium , Sulfur , Zinc , Chloride
You can do the research and see that elevated levels of Cobalt ion delayed senescence in certain field crops
3.5 gallons of coco dtw. Four plants per light running gavitas at 600 watts. Five lights in a 12x13 room so 19.25 watts per square foot.
Yields of 40 ounces per light on my good yielders are not uncommon with a good veg(90 days).
Are you using Airpots? Do you let the DTW dry out on surface, before feeding?
Are you doing SCROG/LST or forcing to branch, by removing growth tips, or just let them grow?
Awesome Results!!!!!!
I just inhaled a fat bong load of some really smooth, thick flavorful GG4. It tasted great and felt great too. The people growing this plant outdoors this year for the first time are in for a nice surprise. Quality, strength, flavor and YIEID.
This will be many growers best year ever
This will be many growers best year ever
What I'm talking about goes past your understanding.
Please listen to some of John Kempf's ACRES lectures.
Many elements go in to producing the plants "green" color...
N , along with S , Mg, Ca , B , Fe and the plants enzyme systems create the 'green' we see...Providing the plants enough Enzyme co factors and luxury levels of Trace and Ultra Trace elements will allow them to convert excess NO3 in to Protein , once the plant is capable of doing this enzymatic conversion , the plants will grow with a quality previously unsurpassed.
The idea that your plants need to "Fade" is based in Bullshit internet Bro science...
Again you can go to SpringerLink and do a simple search for the Cobalt Ion direct effect on delaying plant senescence ...
The only time they get tired is when they run out of energy...if you keep providing them with the correct elements to keep their photosynthetic energy up, you'll experience results like I mentioned that many of you claim are impossible.
Best of luck
There are countless people who know this couldn't be farther from the truth...
I was teaching classes and holding weekend seminars at compassion clubs on organics when you were still running chems...ROFL.
But it is nice that you finally saw the light and got on board with producing better quality cannabis than that chem fed 'mersh...
dank.Frank
Elevated levels of phosphorous decreases flower time. Especially if you use it in the first 2 weeks. I personally like to full flush, and let the leaves turn fully golden or purple before chop time, so if I have time then I do. I don't care as much what the crystals say either. I want as little chlorophyll and nutes in my bud as possible.
That's fine if you think that qualifies you to speak on the subject, however the reality of the situation is that it does not
If you think that attempting to blend your own organic amendment mix qualifies you, it does not, did that business succeed? By your own admission the majority of people you sent sample product to did not provide you the test grow you were looking for...But that is irrelevant
What is relevant is that you constantly try to throw shade on me and what I have to say but really just make yourself look ignorant when you do so.
The last few weeks of a cannabis plants life are the most ESSENTIAL for terpenoid and cannabinoid production. Can you explain to me scientifically, how starving the plants of the elements that are essential for the creation of these compounds is going to produce higher quality medicine?
Aren't we in this for the terpenes and cannabinoids? I would want to create as much of these compounds as I can , my understanding leads me to providing plants with luxury levels of enzyme co factors up till harvest.
It's hilarious to me that instead of taking the time to research what it is I'm saying , you just say , Well you used to use conventional fertilizers...Guess what , in certain situations I would again and not have a problem with it , either...
Just because you use conventional fertilizers doesn't mean you can't get the plants to produce excellent quality.
The quality is determined by Genetics and Environment , it's further improved upon by cultural method...
I really hope you do a little research on the topics I've touched on in this thread.
You could be a better grower for it...Oh wait.....U were giving seminars at compassion clubs..LoL...SMFH
Hash Zeppelin ,
You can not flush nutrients out of a plant , the only thing you can do is provide the appropriate enzyme co factors for them to metabolize whatever excess levels of nutrients are present.
Also , how do you even know you need to " flush "? 99.99999% of marijuana growers do not submit leaf samples for sap analysis
P is an extremely important macronutrient...however , I don't think that letting plants yellow out at the end is a good practice.
You don't have to agree with my information or even practice it in your grow
Just think about this , if a plant is in its peak phase producing all the goodies we grow them for , do you want them to have all the tools needed to produce the most of those goods? or do you want them to limit out?
I prefer them to stack on as much as genetically possible. A limit not yet reached, and I don't think it will ever be reached as we grow seedless flowers...
If you think that attempting to blend your own organic amendment mix qualifies you, it does not, did that business succeed? By your own admission the majority of people you sent sample product to did not provide you the test grow you were looking for...But that is irrelevant
What is relevant is that you constantly try to throw shade on me and what I have to say but really just make yourself look ignorant when you do so.
The last few weeks of a cannabis plants life are the most ESSENTIAL for terpenoid and cannabinoid production. Can you explain to me scientifically, how starving the plants of the elements that are essential for the creation of these compounds is going to produce higher quality medicine?
Aren't we in this for the terpenes and cannabinoids? I would want to create as much of these compounds as I can , my understanding leads me to providing plants with luxury levels of enzyme co factors up till harvest.
It's hilarious to me that instead of taking the time to research what it is I'm saying , you just say , Well you used to use conventional fertilizers...Guess what , in certain situations I would again and not have a problem with it , either...
Just because you use conventional fertilizers doesn't mean you can't get the plants to produce excellent quality.
The quality is determined by Genetics and Environment , it's further improved upon by cultural method...
I really hope you do a little research on the topics I've touched on in this thread.
You could be a better grower for it...Oh wait.....U were giving seminars at compassion clubs..LoL...SMFH
Hash Zeppelin ,
You can not flush nutrients out of a plant , the only thing you can do is provide the appropriate enzyme co factors for them to metabolize whatever excess levels of nutrients are present.
Also , how do you even know you need to " flush "? 99.99999% of marijuana growers do not submit leaf samples for sap analysis
P is an extremely important macronutrient...however , I don't think that letting plants yellow out at the end is a good practice.
You don't have to agree with my information or even practice it in your grow
Just think about this , if a plant is in its peak phase producing all the goodies we grow them for , do you want them to have all the tools needed to produce the most of those goods? or do you want them to limit out?
I prefer them to stack on as much as genetically possible. A limit not yet reached, and I don't think it will ever be reached as we grow seedless flowers...
Fuck all this bs i run chems n get into fights with ppl telling me my shit is organic... flushem out only difference is yield... outdoors is a different ball game... just grow fire... chem organic both work .. i wish i had a mix that i can feed plain water to n get the same success. .. but chems put on the weight n done right no less quality
Where did I ever say I starve the plants...
A plant intended to be smoked slowly metabolizing it's reserves over the last 10 days of it's life is NOT starving it. That's called letting nature take it's course.What I DON'T do is force the plants to be or do anything other than exactly what they choose to do on their own. I want accurate genetic representation.
There is absolutely NO talking to you.
Having a lack of finances doesn't negate the quality of that project or what I do. The results of that project speak for themselves - in the garden of every single person who ever used it. Period.
Have you EVER tried my mix? NOPE. So how can you even speak on it like you know anything about it?
Fact is - you just repeat 95% of things I used to discuss in chat - things you used to ridicule and mock me for back in 2009. Now you spout it all off like it's all ground breaking new information, which is understandable...because it is new...TO YOU.
You really are impossible to get along with... I'm trying to honor what I said in my PM - but I think it's your direct intent to make me blow up at you...
I'm far past that phase.
dank.Frank
come on guys can everyone chill out, as friends of both people involved….
byf to be fair i dont think the GG samples at the HTC were the best I've seen….both of our GG samples came out with a different nose and look compared to what I've seen in the past.
i got GG samples directly from joesy and OGorganic back in april at the IC cup that were absolute fire, way better look, way better flavor. the samples at last weeks cup were not even half as good as the stuff at the IC cup…I'm worried maybe genetic drift is involved because our crops came out much different. more fluffy, almost like a haze. good frost but a different nose, more melon subdued sour dubb instead of the burning tires and chocolate i got off the first samples i saw. hopefully i can dial something in and make you change your mind, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. most people hate on GG because its all hyped up and supposed to be like cookies and they are disappointed when they finally see it….
i dont like seein all of y'all arguin, lets just smoke one chill out and agree to disagree.
byf to be fair i dont think the GG samples at the HTC were the best I've seen….both of our GG samples came out with a different nose and look compared to what I've seen in the past.
i got GG samples directly from joesy and OGorganic back in april at the IC cup that were absolute fire, way better look, way better flavor. the samples at last weeks cup were not even half as good as the stuff at the IC cup…I'm worried maybe genetic drift is involved because our crops came out much different. more fluffy, almost like a haze. good frost but a different nose, more melon subdued sour dubb instead of the burning tires and chocolate i got off the first samples i saw. hopefully i can dial something in and make you change your mind, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. most people hate on GG because its all hyped up and supposed to be like cookies and they are disappointed when they finally see it….
i dont like seein all of y'all arguin, lets just smoke one chill out and agree to disagree.
Rodney King - "Can't we all just get along".
Instead of bitching, post links to info. Take all info with grain of salt (who it came from, their vested interests, etc.).
We are here to help each other!!!!!!!
Each side should post, with a voting system, or not, since what works for you is all that matters.
Instead of bitching, post links to info. Take all info with grain of salt (who it came from, their vested interests, etc.).
We are here to help each other!!!!!!!
Each side should post, with a voting system, or not, since what works for you is all that matters.
i'm pretty stoked for it
BYF you seem like a knowledgeable person, but your way of proving your intelligence is completely condescending. Telling some, which you are trying to explain something to that, "What I'm talking about goes past your understanding." is just oxymoronic, why even try to explain to such simple minded peons? You come off nice in person actually pretty quite, and might even make some nice apologetic PMs, but coming off as the ultimate know it all is doing you a disservice.
Granted, yes, you did see a sample of GG4 at the cup, *BUT you also came late on day 2 when all the good nug had been picked through and the samples had been in open air tuperware containers in the hot 100+ degree weather for two days straight getting finger fucked the whole time. And FWIW you didn't once bust out ANY jars of anything you grew. The joints you left prop almost got thrown out thats how much your bomb threat is coveted. And after smoking one of that joints, the reaction was meh with no head change...can't you for one second comprehend your brain chemistry enjoys certain types of cannabinoids and yet may not enjoy something others might absolutely love? It's like the internet as a whole, no matter what you say..how intelligent and factual driven a comment is; there's someone on a polar opposite mind set, and that's okay. I feel like I was pretty dickish on here for the longest, just trying 'set people straight' and tell facts, but in turn I just looked like a know-it-all prick. Let people like what they like, feel free to dislike or share an opinion that differs, but to berate a strain in a forum based on that particular strain just seems rather moot and childish.
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