Caravaggio
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We don't use multiple bottles. Just 1. Foliage Pro by Dyna Gro. Its all you need.
As for CalMag, it has it but we do add 3ml per gallon every other feed.
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We don't use multiple bottles. Just 1. Foliage Pro by Dyna Gro. Its all you need.
As for CalMag, it has it but we do add 3ml per gallon every other feed.
it's 9-3-6, isn't that a lot of N for bloom? How much FP do you add to 1 gal of water? THX
Caravaggio
Member
works fine
Hey KISS guys or users of different Lucas Formulas. I know this thread is about Maxibloom but being that Maxi 7g/gal is Lucas I figured many have probably tried the Flora Micro/Bloom or Floranova Bloom Lucas formulas and would be able to offer first hand experience with the products Im looking to test this run.
I am running a test experiment on the side of my normal organic gardening practices. Going to run two clones of the same plant Ive grown in the organic soil mix with Bio Flores so I have a good strain to see the real differences between that method and the two experiments this run. Ill be able to see how the final product in terms of look, smell, taste, smoothness, etc of the same cut and how it perfoms in the different mediums/nutes.
Anyway I have never used straight coco coir with chems or straight coco for that matter. I always have done organic soils mixed with amendments with minimal bottled nutrient supplementation for just an extra boost here and there.
Im going to be running two clones of the same strain in coco one with Floranova Bloom and one with Floranova Bloom plus 1mL per gal Floralicious Plus so I can test the FNB alone and also with the FL+ see the difference if any the Floralicious Plus makes to see if its even worth the money to add over just going with 1 part FNB 8mL per gal (Lucas).
I have RO water 5 stage for drinking water and for the plants, always used RO water in my organic garden here due to very hard water. My RO PPM is 30PPM and I believe was 8.0pH or very close when I tested. Tap water is 525-575PPM depending on which tap I use and 8.0pH. BTW using a HM Digital TDS meter so not sure on conversion rate to EC if anyone knows that would be awesome please let me know if you know it.
So my question is should I use the RO water with the Floranova Bloom or should I add a portion of tap water to the RO to raise the PPM say 100PPM or so?
Would that be even beneficial or necessary to help supply some calcium and other minerals from the super hard tap water or will the FNB take care of all the cal/mag and trace needed and I can use just RO water? Id rather KISS and use RO only unless there would be a benefit to using some tap for a slight mineral boost.
Also wondering a good mL/gallon mix for seedlings/clones I was thinking 2-3mL per gal but not sure.
Sorry if this is the wrong thread I just dont know of an active Floranova Bloom Lucas thread so I thought this was the second best place to post.
I am running a test experiment on the side of my normal organic gardening practices. Going to run two clones of the same plant Ive grown in the organic soil mix with Bio Flores so I have a good strain to see the real differences between that method and the two experiments this run. Ill be able to see how the final product in terms of look, smell, taste, smoothness, etc of the same cut and how it perfoms in the different mediums/nutes.
Anyway I have never used straight coco coir with chems or straight coco for that matter. I always have done organic soils mixed with amendments with minimal bottled nutrient supplementation for just an extra boost here and there.
Im going to be running two clones of the same strain in coco one with Floranova Bloom and one with Floranova Bloom plus 1mL per gal Floralicious Plus so I can test the FNB alone and also with the FL+ see the difference if any the Floralicious Plus makes to see if its even worth the money to add over just going with 1 part FNB 8mL per gal (Lucas).
I have RO water 5 stage for drinking water and for the plants, always used RO water in my organic garden here due to very hard water. My RO PPM is 30PPM and I believe was 8.0pH or very close when I tested. Tap water is 525-575PPM depending on which tap I use and 8.0pH. BTW using a HM Digital TDS meter so not sure on conversion rate to EC if anyone knows that would be awesome please let me know if you know it.
So my question is should I use the RO water with the Floranova Bloom or should I add a portion of tap water to the RO to raise the PPM say 100PPM or so?
Would that be even beneficial or necessary to help supply some calcium and other minerals from the super hard tap water or will the FNB take care of all the cal/mag and trace needed and I can use just RO water? Id rather KISS and use RO only unless there would be a benefit to using some tap for a slight mineral boost.
Also wondering a good mL/gallon mix for seedlings/clones I was thinking 2-3mL per gal but not sure.
Sorry if this is the wrong thread I just dont know of an active Floranova Bloom Lucas thread so I thought this was the second best place to post.
Caravaggio
Member
^ I think you might be looking for the not so KISS thread
Floranova Bloom is basically the same as Maxibloom.
Patmando22
Member
Cool thread I'm going to try
How is mixing Floranova Bloom with water not keeping it simple? That is what I want to do just 1 part nutrient for the whole cycle.
I was just asking if I might have issues with cal or mag in straight coco. Im going to use the RO water and see what happens if the FNB takes care of the needs of the plant or if I need to add cal or mag supplement using RO.
Thanks for your help though.
Ya I know I read that much anyway at the Lucas Formula levels of each they are damn near/basically the same quantity/ratio of nutrients.
I did a little test with 1/4 quart bottle each of RO water, tap, and 50/50 RO/tap mix. PPM meter is .5 conversion BTW.
Starting at:
RO 7.8pH 37ppm
Tap 7.8-8pH 620ppm <--even higher than yesterday wow my tap is hard (Colorado River sourced)
50/50 7.7pH 325ppm
At 2mL per quart (8mL per gal, Lucas) I got:
RO 5.9pH 960ppm
Tap 6.8pH 1580ppm
50/50 6.6pH 1150ppm
Nutes were pretty accurately drawn with a 5mL syringe maybe a few drops more or less in some to slightly skew the results. Im going to try straight RO with just FNB and see how she goes from there.
KISS first, complicate later if necessary.
This is just a side test anyway for fun, mostly out of curiosity anyway so no loss if they turn out like crap.
BT,
i have and do interchange 7gm/mb for 8ml fnb during the same flower cycle and i see no difference in them.
fnb is thick and i dont like mixing a few gal at a time so ill use mb but i have used it to make 20 gal of nutes.....way easier to measure larger volume of fnb for me.
i use tap so if using r/o you may need extra cal/mag for some strains.
peace
i have and do interchange 7gm/mb for 8ml fnb during the same flower cycle and i see no difference in them.
fnb is thick and i dont like mixing a few gal at a time so ill use mb but i have used it to make 20 gal of nutes.....way easier to measure larger volume of fnb for me.
i use tap so if using r/o you may need extra cal/mag for some strains.
peace
Thanks for the input I appreciate the info definitely helpful.
What is your tap PPM? I dont mind mixing a couple cups of tap per gallon of RO, I just know I dont want to run straight tap when its over 550-650ppm right out of the spout.
Do you all think 6/9 micro bloom is comparable to 7 g mb?
I think 7g of MB is better than 6/9 Flora, I have tried both in straight coco and the plants are happier with the MB.
so i noticed full strength is too strong on even my late veg plants. the nitrogen in the mb seems to be a lower ratio. can i give 1 foot tall bushes full strength mb
in a multifeed drip to waste coco? ive been watering down 6/9 to .7 with tap at 60 ppm on 700 scale (basically pure for tap.) it mixes at about 1.5 -1.6 undilluted. can i go higher ec with mb and do i need cal or mag or is it sufficient with most strains.
the 6/9 dilluted to about 1.3 give or take seems good with my peak flowering plants on a 3 x a day watering in soil. my next run these veg plants go in and itll be my first coco run.
I run full strength on my clones and seedlings so I personally think it is fine. As for cal/mag I have never used the stuff but I am using tap water and I have not had any issues from it.
CactusBlossom
New member
liking the kiss method
I just got a couple GSC clones the other night so I can tell you how they do with KISS in about 5 months.
me too.. well i mean . i just put them into veg a few weeks ago. started on 6/9 switched to m/b although i think 6/9 was fine but i was having issues that i thought were nute related so i switched but since figured out what was wrong.it wasnt the 6/9 they are looking great in veg now that i got it sorted out. i will say that overall my strains i think full strength on either recipe is too hot for my coco plants. im 3x feeds a day and im rocking gsc gg4and a few og kush cuts. also have a bosss sister pheno hunt going they seem more hungry than the others(no surprise). i water down now for full 1 foot tall veg in 2gals to 1.2 ec and i wouldnt go higher just yet. in flower i went as high as 1.5 and i think it was pushing it.i dropped back to 1.3 when i saw some tip burn. and eventually back to 1.2 as i didnt want to push it to the yellowing look that can happen over time. the 1.5 flowering plants are soil but in small pot multifeed situation similar to coco.
