I have grown the Original Diesel, headband, Daywreaker, Underdog, Loompos headband clone lol... GG#4 is nothing like that. I dumped it awhile ago. If gg#4 wasn't good I would say so. If no one liked it they wouldn't buy it. It would not win cups even though no one holds any stock in cup wins. I have other strians I like just as much and some I like better. Standard Deisel hybrid No..