Motherlode Gardens 2014

[Shcrews]

I don't think I've ever been negative I just have tried to help you and give you solid advice. .

your advice is solid but i have seen a bit of negativity here and there. anyway i respect your experience and your willingness to share it. please stick around, and thanks for the support that's why i love ICmag (and cali)

our gorilla glues issues were cause by going from coco into soil. 20/20 hindsight. I'm not sure you warned us about that specifically but it is common knowleldge apparently that it's not a good idea.

peace!

 

[Backyard Farmer]

Hey bud, it isn't because ones in coco ones in soil it's because you grew it in one pot too long making it so the root ball needs too much water relative to where you plugged it in , you don't want new roots getting water logged but u don't want to dry out the core...that's why something not over vegged takes off really well. The ratio of water the root ball the transplant needs relative to the plug size is important to balance.

I get negative when some one gives bad advice like coco to soil is why your plants are having problems.

Best of luck this season if you have any questions you can PM me I'll stop posting in your thread

 

[HillBilly1]

That sucks some ass man, The main reason I don't like to much
Coco is it seems to not hold the N and needs lots more Cal-Mag
Or it seems that way to me...

You should have lots of Oak leaves around you could use for
One of the better mulches

Good grow to you

 

[goldcountryguy2]

Hey bud, it isn't because ones in coco ones in soil it's because you grew it in one pot too long making it so the root ball needs too much water relative to where you plugged it in , you don't want new roots getting water logged but u don't want to dry out the core...that's why something not over vegged takes off really well. The ratio of water the root ball the transplant needs relative to the plug size is important to balance.

I get negative when some one gives bad advice like coco to soil is why your plants are having problems.

Best of luck this season if you have any questions you can PM me I'll stop posting in your thread

i see it the other way, i think the initial medium and final bed should be somewhat similar......ive had enough extras and practice to know first hand....

but u see that yourself.....just because byf can read and respell it in his words here doesn't mean you shouldn't use some of your own time and skills to get this figured out.

 

[Backyard Farmer]

LoL GCG.

You're a funny guy

 

[Meds215]

looking f'ing AWESOME guys. i finally almost got all my plants in there final pots i been working like a dog. i still havnt started to cage any of my plants yet it has me kind of stressed out. if i do use a t post in the pots to support the mesh wont banging them into the pot hurt the roots since i didnt cage before the roots spread or is it ok?

 

[Abja Roots]

For my Full Season last year I grew 1/2 Blue Dream and 1/2 Green Crack. I also grew 1 SSH. The Green Crack sold first(came out really nice), the SSH sold as soon as it was ready, and I'm still sitting on the Blue Dream. If you're willing to let it go for really cheap you can move it. It's not impossible to move, but you have to be patient. If it was OG's, Chems, Sours, etc... It would have been gone.

If I do the numbers I still came out ahead when compared to growing a low yielding strain.

This year it's mostly GG#4 and Chem D in my Full Season. We'll see how it comes out. They definitely were a bit shocked when I first put them out, but they seem to be bouncing back. I bet you that if I pulled them and put some baby Blue Dream clones they would catch up with them. I'm working some dream crosses for that very reason (Tangerine Diesel X Plushberry - Blue Dream X Williams Wonder). Made them last year and excited to see how they come out. Hoping they will be made for the GH and Outdoors.

Growing BD is like hedging your bets. If you can move it, then it's a safe bet. I have one prepped for my second depo and it always looks good.

Best of Luck Schrews and Y4P is right about having a back up water supply. Even if it's just to hold you until a water truck can come. I've got a 3000, 1000, and I'm thinking of picking up some smaller 250's in case of emergency. Mine is a baby garden and well below what is allowed in my area.

Props on growing the coco outdoors. I grew Coco indoors for years and loved it. Just don't have the water to do it outdoors.

 

[furrywall11]

I would highly recommend bugging your landlord to have your most recent well report released...and then paying a well tech $300 to come out and do a well test if it isn't recent...quiz him on the gpm of other wells in your area...a lot of drill techs have maps of gpm in the area.not conclusive but if it turns out you have a 50 foot deep well getting 4gpm and your pumps amperage is dropping because it's sucking air from the bottom of nearly empty cave-- and your neighbors wells are all 200 feet deep 7/gpm it could be a problem and it's better to know in advance... right now in my area there's a 40 day wait time to get a well drilled and who knows how crazy the water truck scene will be this summer.

 

[Shcrews]

i see it the other way, i think the initial medium and final bed should be somewhat similar......ive had enough extras and practice to know first hand....

RESPECT GCG stick around We had serious issues with coco into soil but then again the biggest plant in our garden, PSA xUncirculated was a seed that was popped march1st and vegged in 2gal coco grobag for almost 3 months in a recirc system, hella rootbound in that 2gal of coco when it went into soil in may, but it took off no problem. maybe very vigorous seed starts can handle the switch from coco to soil without much of a hiccup. peace brotha!

Hey bud, it isn't because ones in coco ones in soil it's because you grew it in one pot too long making it so the root ball needs too much water relative to where you plugged it in , you don't want new roots getting water logged but u don't want to dry out the core...that's why something not over vegged takes off really well. The ratio of water the root ball the transplant needs relative to the plug size is important to balance.

I get negative when some one gives bad advice like coco to soil is why your plants are having problems.

Best of luck this season if you have any questions you can PM me I'll stop posting in your thread

no need to stop posting anywhere man, love when ya come with the constructive advice n shit. you are totally right about the coco rootballs and you explained it better than i could have. congrats. So obviously the way to avoid this problem is don't use coco for outdoor starts.... 20/20 hindsight time.

We dug away the soil, exposed the dense coco rootballs in the middle of the big pots so we can water them directly if they appear dry, kind of mainlining water to the plant. probably too late for that, we transplanted almost 3 weeks ago and i think the ones that were gonna catch have already caught, and the rest just need to get pulled

hopefully some of the glues bounce back, if not at least we know why. We have some fresh baby starts that are in solo cups right now, a few forums and wookies.

I would highly recommend bugging your landlord to have your most recent well report released...and then paying a well tech $300 to come out and do a well test if it isn't recent...quiz him on the gpm of other wells in your area...a lot of drill techs have maps of gpm in the area.not conclusive but if it turns out you have a 50 foot deep well getting 4gpm and your pumps amperage is dropping because it's sucking air from the bottom of nearly empty cave-- and your neighbors wells are all 200 feet deep 7/gpm it could be a problem and it's better to know in advance... right now in my area there's a 40 day wait time to get a well drilled and who knows how crazy the water truck scene will be this summer.

thanks man this is the kind of basic info we need. I dont even know how to tell if our pumps amperage is dropping? I'm sure this would be another 20/20 hindsight kind of thing. From what we know there aren't any water issues in the area. and what is a well report?

 

[Shcrews]

just a random gorilla glue flower.... first time growing her indoors and she's already frosty at 4 weeks

 

[Shcrews]

looking f'ing AWESOME guys. i finally almost got all my plants in there final pots i been working like a dog. i still havnt started to cage any of my plants yet it has me kind of stressed out. if i do use a t post in the pots to support the mesh wont banging them into the pot hurt the roots since i didnt cage before the roots spread or is it ok?

thanks man! i'm just fuckin glad our grow doesn't look like total shit at this point after all we've deal with haha. Anyway we use 7'concrete mesh for our initial cages, but i think you will be alright with a few t-posts in your pots as long as you aren't nailing in 20 of them or something.

 

[Shcrews]

For my Full Season last year I grew 1/2 Blue Dream and 1/2 Green Crack. I also grew 1 SSH. The Green Crack sold first(came out really nice), the SSH sold as soon as it was ready, and I'm still sitting on the Blue Dream. If you're willing to let it go for really cheap you can move it. It's not impossible to move, but you have to be patient. If it was OG's, Chems, Sours, etc... It would have been gone.

If I do the numbers I still came out ahead when compared to growing a low yielding strain.

This year it's mostly GG#4 and Chem D in my Full Season. We'll see how it comes out. They definitely were a bit shocked when I first put them out, but they seem to be bouncing back. I bet you that if I pulled them and put some baby Blue Dream clones they would catch up with them. I'm working some dream crosses for that very reason (Tangerine Diesel X Plushberry - Blue Dream X Williams Wonder). Made them last year and excited to see how they come out. Hoping they will be made for the GH and Outdoors.

Growing BD is like hedging your bets. If you can move it, then it's a safe bet. I have one prepped for my second depo and it always looks good.

Our garden is completely Blue Dream free!!! HAHA . Nothing against blue dream, we love it and i would grow one plant just to have a monster, but there are so many other good strains out there and personally when i think of BD now i just see endless fields full of blue dream, fields filled with frolicking cali growers covered in gold chains.. Nothing wrong with that but I'll prefer to floss my gold chains while i sit in a slightly smaller field full of kush, pie, and glue.

We're hella down for some sick blue dream crosses though. put me on the list for next year!

I grew Coco indoors for years and loved it. Just don't have the water to do it outdoors.

the trick to that is to use lots of smaller plants, take cuts in july put them outside in august in 10gal coco smarties, no need to water thirsty coco all summer that way, and they don't grow massive stems either that way so easier to sell as indoors. just use regulare coco nute schedule from august-october.

I was trying to figure a way to make big plants in coco seem worth it, but late and small is where it's at. Its just a bitch now with these plant limits.

 

[DunHav`nFun]

LoL GCG.

You're a funny guy

It`s your "holier than thou" attitude and ego that makes folks like GCG that know every bit what you think you know and more call you on your bullshit....

Just help folks Veg , don`t talk down to em.....You`ve got knowledge....experience will come....hopefully some character will have been built by then as well.....Treat folks like you wanna be treated....now...

Shcrews....It`s all good Bro , ya`ll just keep strokin and staying on top of things , and all the hard work will pay off guaranteed....

Peace....DHF........

 

[furrywall11]

thanks man this is the kind of basic info we need. I dont even know how to tell if our pumps amperage is dropping? I'm sure this would be another 20/20 hindsight kind of thing. From what we know there aren't any water issues in the area. and what is a well report?

A well report provides depth, potability and irrigation suitability (for extra $), GPM, the story of the well- has it ever caved in- is there a well liner because there's the potential for a cave in and, they'll also check on the mechanics of the pump...The amperage on a pump drops when it starts to suck air from an empty underground tunnel. Usually, the history of a well is logged with the county and can be released with the property owners permission.

 

[anonymousgrow]

looking good; even with a hiccup here and there, keep your chin high and work work work. we are growing nothing but blue dream this year outside to recover as much as we can from the fire.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

furry wall has it correct…a simple well report is cheap and quickly done, you dont need a whole well test which takes like 4 hours, just a simple checkup any well company does it, but well companies do have very long backlogs right now so call them asap. its very valuable information, my water table is only 48 feet below my well and was spitting 13gpm so I'm not too worried about the water truck for backup, but i still built in the backup system anyways. i know other guys who are at 200 feet and barely getting 3-4gpm…..those results will show you that you 100% absolutely need backup water supply. 2500-3000 gallon containers are usually around 12-1400 retail but maybe you can find a used one. a standard water truck carries 3000 gallons so if you're paying for 3000 gallons might as well get a tank big enough to store all of it.

i really want to emphasize that, because a bad well pump or a low gpm/water table could bring some serious bad surprises down the line that will hurt your garden way more than some coco veg starts. its honestly the biggest issue you should tackle…even if you dont have cash put a tank on your credit card and pay it off later. a well pump can take a shit and then you will have zero water for however long it takes the well company to get out there and fix it, and in the summer big plants will need 50 gallons a pop so your garden will need at least 1250gallons ready at any given moment, 3k gallons storage will give you 2-3 valuable days if any issues arise. very very important homie i would put that at #1 priority if i was consulting or invested in your grow. good luck focus on that water!

 

[StanKDanK]

things are looking good over there shcrews. I'm loving this motherlode weather we have been having recently. My plants are really taking off like crazy now. Are you doing any teas or foliar sprays yet? How often are you guys watering ? I tried a few different soil/coco mixes and I have had good success with a 60/40 coco/soil mix. I do about 60% coco and 40% soil and the plants love it. The soil has a more spongy feel and seems to give the roots more oxygen and no cal/mag issues. I have had faster growth rates in this mix compared to using straight soil. keep on keepin it dank!

 

[Backyard Farmer]

Saying u can't plant from coco to soil is like saying an oasis cube or RW cube won't adapt to soil. The key is to do it properly ...

Next time if you have a root ball that you're having a hard time getting water to, you can try multiple small waterings over the course of the day

Prop's giving you some great advice...


When I was on a well to fill tanks to irrigate my garden , I had 25,000 gallons of storage.

 

[Sleeper7784]

This is a simple fix in the future. Either veg in the same medium you grow full season in or what I do is just wack off a few lower branches and burry the root ball deeper in the pots. The saturation of the surrounding soil will help keep the root ball from drying out faster than the surrounding soil.

Most of us burry the top of the root ball flush with the top of the soil or just below the soil line.

I've had the same problem in the past even going coco to coco big pots.

 

[z-ro]

2500s for $999 everywhere around here, even Home Depot has them, some places free delivery depending... I see trailer after trailer on the freeway with 5 tanks strapped to the back, they are flyin off the shelf.. 4 tanks is a nice back up cause you can hold 3 deliveries, never know if the fires start and all the water guys are out there cause they gèt more loads in per day. Always have a 2500 emergency tank you don't ever use.