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sourpuss
The crappier the city water prob contains more chlorine, so I guess the crappier the better the water is for cloning... chlorine is in the water why? To kill and control these bacterial mold fungi pathogens....
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Cloning struggles - looking for insight
- Thread starter BreezeEazy
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FunkJungle
Member
I had all kinds of problems using my city tap water. Switched 1/2 distilled 1/2 bottled spring water haven't changed it in 2 months. No problems whatsoever I just add a little pool shock here and there to keep sterile.
BreezeEazy
Member
I'll remember that next time I have to fill it up with water. My cuts still haven't died, or really showing any signs of stress. Just the curled stems. I think I see two cuts with root bumps. I don't know what else they are so I should know for sure by wednesday since that is when I took them last week.
I've also been playing around with my fogger again. 1 fogger in a 14gal roughneck rubbermaid container, no air pump at the moment since all I'm doing is monitoring water temps. 15 on/off using tap water only and the water and fog hold at a constant 80.8-81F. Not sure if adding an air pump with air stones will help with heat or not since its currently in use with the bubbler. That would solve any pathogen issue.
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sourpuss
Usually they have a chlorine produc5 at the hydro store labelled as a cloning aid. Ro water and this may be safer. I use my tap, no prob, toronto, canada.
I bleached it prior to using it. Thought it would be pretty sterile.
A 3 watt LED bar. Humidity is probably 40%+. They don't wilt or anything. Temps, no higher than 80, no lower than 70. The ambient air keeps the water at 75F.
Maybe I should try rockwool like you guys have suggested. I was just told that a bubbler and straight water was the easiest way to get clones. I have no clue how to use them though.
The reason I went with a bubbler system is that is what people directed me to, plus I'm going to switch back from soil to hydro soon so I want to be geared towards that (not that rockwool wont work for that as well). This also seems cheaper as I don't have to buy rockwool. I just find it odd that the critical hog ones curled and the others haven't, at least yet, and I took the critical hog ones first. Both plants are 2 months old. The bubbles from the cloner keep them wet and saturated with oxygen still with them curled, just never have heard of this happening before.
Raise the humidity . Cuts are transpiring too fast . IMO .
Croptober
Active member
Cloning in Soil
Cloning in Soil
I found cloning in soil to be the easiest for me. All I do is fill my cups with watered soil let them dry out for a day with a little moisture left inside then take my cuts spray the dome twice a day and I usually see roots popping out of the bottom of the cups at 12 days. SFV OG at 14 days since I took cuts
Cloning in Soil
I found cloning in soil to be the easiest for me. All I do is fill my cups with watered soil let them dry out for a day with a little moisture left inside then take my cuts spray the dome twice a day and I usually see roots popping out of the bottom of the cups at 12 days. SFV OG at 14 days since I took cuts
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sourpuss
Thx for that sfv og pic, my super lemon og is structured that way, sfv being a parent, was wondering if something was off with my cl9nes, but I guess thats normal.
Crazy how it branches... almost catches the top...
Crazy how it branches... almost catches the top...
FreedomTRAIL
Member
Styrofoam cup full of coco, mild nute water, cut and stick with temps in the 80's.
Ready for stronger light in 10 days.
Ready for stronger light in 10 days.
BagAppeal
Member
just a though..
have you checked your ph at all, do you have a ph meter.?keep it at 5,6-5,7 and you should be good..
Are the cuttings submerged in the water? If so, and you are using a bubbler, keep the stems right above the water line and not submerged, the bubbler should make your stem wet enough with the bubbles, without the stem beeing covered in water.
on another tough..
do they have jiffy's where youŕe at?
I found that in my situation, if in need of 100 % clone results, and don´t want to mess with ph or to much work.
A jiffy pellet(peat or coco), not the smallest size preferably will do you good and be a bit easier than rockwool.
Soak it in some water: bottle, rain, tap if clean enough.
Press out excess water from jiffy after soaked, leaving it moist, but not soaked..
Put jiffy with clone inside a plastic box with a glass plate over the top, or a typical clone dome.
Spray clones with some water after they are put inside.. Open dome or glass every day, wipe of water.. and air for 10-15 minutes, or until plants look dry.. Spray plants again and put dome, glass back.. Soon you should be having roots..Make sure you have enough light, but not too much keeping it a meter or so from a 600w will most times do good..
Easy peasy..Jiffy can be used for hydro..
Hope this can be of help...
All the best
BagAppeal
have you checked your ph at all, do you have a ph meter.?keep it at 5,6-5,7 and you should be good..
Are the cuttings submerged in the water? If so, and you are using a bubbler, keep the stems right above the water line and not submerged, the bubbler should make your stem wet enough with the bubbles, without the stem beeing covered in water.
on another tough..
do they have jiffy's where youŕe at?
I found that in my situation, if in need of 100 % clone results, and don´t want to mess with ph or to much work.
A jiffy pellet(peat or coco), not the smallest size preferably will do you good and be a bit easier than rockwool.
Soak it in some water: bottle, rain, tap if clean enough.
Press out excess water from jiffy after soaked, leaving it moist, but not soaked..
Put jiffy with clone inside a plastic box with a glass plate over the top, or a typical clone dome.
Spray clones with some water after they are put inside.. Open dome or glass every day, wipe of water.. and air for 10-15 minutes, or until plants look dry.. Spray plants again and put dome, glass back.. Soon you should be having roots..Make sure you have enough light, but not too much keeping it a meter or so from a 600w will most times do good..
Easy peasy..Jiffy can be used for hydro..
Hope this can be of help...
All the best
BagAppeal
wait... are these cuts taken from healthy plants?
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sourpuss
Sorry off topic, my slog smells in veg like menthol, skunk, lemons. Super lemon og has sfv in it so I guess the sfv is the structure. Not sure what sfv is like never had it. Changes in flower kinda, way louder, and each pheno takes its own unique scent.
BreezeEazy
Member
There might be a small deficiency I was trying a new fert but gave up on it and rock all EJ now.
I got root bumps though!! Finally! Yes!
Listen to BagAppeal.
Your stems are curling because they are from a softer branch variety, it doesn't impact the rooting ability of the plant material though.
Similar to what bagappeal suggests, I always tell clients using water cloning methods to ensure ONLY the tips of the cut end are in the water, like he says above the action of the bubbles bursting will keep the stem segments sufficiently moist and with a greater level of oxygen than if they were sitting submerged in the water.
High oxygenation of the water is paramount, more so than chlorine, in keeping harmful bacteria at bay- the high oxygen levels suppress the growing ability of anaerobic bacteria, which are what are going to cause you problems. You'll see that the cuttings will actually root faster when the stalks/stems are not fully submerged.
Hope that helps,
-Chimera
Your stems are curling because they are from a softer branch variety, it doesn't impact the rooting ability of the plant material though.
Similar to what bagappeal suggests, I always tell clients using water cloning methods to ensure ONLY the tips of the cut end are in the water, like he says above the action of the bubbles bursting will keep the stem segments sufficiently moist and with a greater level of oxygen than if they were sitting submerged in the water.
High oxygenation of the water is paramount, more so than chlorine, in keeping harmful bacteria at bay- the high oxygen levels suppress the growing ability of anaerobic bacteria, which are what are going to cause you problems. You'll see that the cuttings will actually root faster when the stalks/stems are not fully submerged.
Hope that helps,
-Chimera
wrinkles88
Member
I am having some problems myself with my homemade EZ cloner. Some clones start to show roots then slow right down. I don't know if some spots get more water and some spots not enough or are getting too strong of a spray. I also think my pump might put off too much heat and is warming up the water too high.
I am trying this and rockwool to see which ones will take faster
I am trying this and rockwool to see which ones will take faster
wrinkles88
Member
Also, before i forget. Should I use a dome with a DIY EZ cloner?
in the aerocloner, you have them directly in the water?
thought they were suppose to be getting sprayed... i glazed over the pages, might of missed that peace of info.
you have to fail though before you try something new, plants have to adjust, you have to adjust... IMHO, i don't know everything but... i try.
may your failures teach you something, you can teach me.
grow something
thought they were suppose to be getting sprayed... i glazed over the pages, might of missed that peace of info.
you have to fail though before you try something new, plants have to adjust, you have to adjust... IMHO, i don't know everything but... i try.
may your failures teach you something, you can teach me.
grow something
