build / first run of the MKIIIa closed loop butane

[Hydrosun]

I apologize no explosion...this android is killing me at the moment.
Nice looking pull. Any plans on how your going to finish that?

I remember something about a Tom Cruise movie and a bar room visit to the landlord.... Nice seeing you again.

To my knowledge he pulled a 12hr vac on the first pot, and the larger pot was chopped up among a bunch of participants. As such it was purged in many different ways and different concoctions

 

[icdog]

How much material did you use and what was the yield?

 

[stoney917]

Im still feel

 

[stoney917]

Hey what type of fire extinguisher do i need to get for a angry Dominican. ... im the only one who got burned in the explosion.... lol she still not loving the machine

 

[HashoftheTitans]

A fire extinguisher will be useless for an initial ignition of butane or other similar solvents. It would simply be on hand for the aftermath. So, it all depends on what you have that is flammable and can be ignited within your work area. There are three common types of combustibles (A,B,C) which include common combustibles like wood and paper (A), flammable liquids (B), and flammable gasses (C). There are others that we really don't need to worry about like flammable metals (D, I believe). Your common dry powder extinguisher is usually rated for ABC use but for certain applications there are strictly AB dry powder extinguishers. Your average water spraying extinguisher is rated for type A fires only. Typically, your average run of the mill ABC dry powder extinguisher would suffice to put out many fires that may come about from an accidental ignition, unless you are doing an extraction around a commercial kitchen in which the presence of a class K extinguisher also needs to be present, or in the presence of flammable metal like magnesium or potassium, etc. in which a type D extinguisher needs to be present. The latter two scenarios are hopefully far fetched and simply hypothetical. The key is to look at surrounding materials and structures around your extraction site and put in proper fire protection protocols. I, personally, am looking into creating a CO2 total flood emergency extinguishing unit that can be installed on closed loop systems that (just in case of a freak ignition) could possibly be dumped in case of a fire to minimize any damage that could be caused by an ignited leaky connection.

As for extinguishers that should be on hand, I recommend checking out NFPA 10 for the code on what extinguishers are acceptable in certain applications. It would probably be beneficial given the combustive properties of our solvents. Stay safe, my friends.

 

[HighStateToke]

A bit off topic, but if you are going to be blasting around a chlorinated pool you should be sure that you have a proper fire extinguisher present. If you were to have a fire (heaven forbid), your average ABC fire extinguisher would be on hand for put out fires from the initial blast. However, if this type of extinguisher is used around a pool, ammonium compounds (ammonium salts) discharged from the extinguisher can reach the chlorine (oxidizers) and nitrogen trichloride is formed. Nitrogen trichloride, NCI3 is explosive. Just a heads up you should only have a water type extinguisher on hand in a pool area. Besides that, good luck with your first run!

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Safety is ALWAYS on topic in this neck of the internet.

 

[Vegan]

this is the pull off the first pot, we switched pots out for the remainder of the tubes


first pot with 1 tube new machine

 

[Vegan]

last run of machine and a vacuum for 4 hrs

 

[Gray Wolf]

Taste, smell, effect?

 

[whadeezlrg]

i see how it is...you guys can't hit no one up for the fun lol lost my phone and missed the call to join in on the festivities..next time I'm there! gonna have some material to bring along with me in another week or so.

 

[Hydrosun]

I had the pleasure of helping a buddy of mine setup and run his BHOGart. The system worked well enough, but I personally like the MK series better. I also think the MKIII can produce faster than the BHOGart, that being said both closed loop systems do a great job.

What I found most impressive was the Across International 1.9cuft vacuum oven. We scrapped the collection pot onto aluminum foil backed parchment paper (Reynolds Baking Sheet), and spread it as thin as possible before popping it all in the oven over night.

Taste, smell, effect?

The smell and taste was very complex as it was made from a dozen plus strains and we pushed 9 columns into the collection pot. The effect was energizing and made all who tried it buzz around with productivity!!!!

I really enjoy running closed loop systems and look forward to years of learning and improving. A big thanks to GW for shining the light of knowledge.

 

[whadeezlrg]

those vac ovens are definitely the beesnees! i honestly feel like thats the most critical part...the suuuuuper purge. is an inline de-waxing chamber/filter set a possible add on for your rig HS? I've been hanging out at the HGH extracts shop a bit over the last couple weeks and those guys make some phenomenal shatter de-waxed in sub zero butane w/ no second solvent necessary. I'm coming to town next weekend hope you guys will be around!

 

[Hydrosun]

those vac ovens are definitely the beesnees! i honestly feel like thats the most critical part...the suuuuuper purge. is an inline de-waxing chamber/filter set a possible add on for your rig HS? I've been hanging out at the HGH extracts shop a bit over the last couple weeks and those guys make some phenomenal shatter de-waxed in sub zero butane w/ no second solvent necessary. I'm coming to town next weekend hope you guys will be around!

From my reading I remember GW saying that at -50c butane doesn't dissolve the fats or waxes so the shatter is dewaxed because wax was never in the product!!!

So no need for an add on to any of the systems, but you have to have gaskets, orings, pressure clamps, and hoses rated for super critical temps.

 

[1TWISTEDTRUCKER]

This shit is VERY energizing. It taste like Lemon Lime Soda to Me
I Swear it smells exactly like My fingers do after bust up LVPK buds. I Know that was 1 of the Dozen strains in The Mix.

This was My 1st BHO ever, and I am IMPRESSED


Keepin it Twisted

 

[whadeezlrg]

From my reading I remember GW saying that at -50c butane doesn't dissolve the fats or waxes so the shatter is dewaxed because wax was never in the product!!!

So no need for an add on to any of the systems, but you have to have gaskets, orings, pressure clamps, and hoses rated for super critical temps.

thats what I understand as well although I'm not totally certain on what the temp of the butane is for a conventional blast. I know it's obviously cold enough to condensate/frost a good portion of the equipment but I don't know that I'd be fully confident that it was reaching -50c without some assistance. The guy from hgh mentioned something about a secondary chamber that collected the liquid butane after being passed through the material column, the chamber was somehow supercooled using dry-ice and then left alone for a while to allow the waxes/fats to separate and then it was pressurized and passed through a series of filters to eliminate the waste/wax on it's way into the collection/purge chamber. the end product is much more stable in terms of not waxing up after being handled, stored etc...it stays clear and the consistency remains over time. just some food for thought, I imagine these processing rigs will only continue to advance.

part of their process includes freezing EVERYTHING for however long, I wonder if you floated your butane tank in some salty ice water what kind of temps you would be able to get it to drop to?

the concentrate market is a game changer for sure, the guys at hgh only run rooms to 45 days and then blast everything...it's out the door @ $60/g wholesale and retails @ $100/g...so they're pulling down approx 8x per year and even @ a 20% return on blasting (1.5# x .2 = 134.4g x $60 = $8k per light average x 8 runs per year = $64k from one light per year...wow, i never really broke that down until now)

 

[Hydrosun]

60g wholesale seems like a pipe dream.... 100 retail also pipe dream.... this is a game changer and price is falling in all parts of this game........

Expenses also rising in all parts, so fun at every corner

 

[whadeezlrg]

although it definitely seems that way I assure you those prices are legit, the collective I've been working with stocks their products on a regular basis, and they have no problem moving it @ $100/g... I personally don't get anywhere near that kinda dough for my stone-age shatter but I can honestly say I'd rather dab the product ran by them than the product ran by me with the same starting material of course...the vac oven is key, if I had one I may feel a bit differently.

 

[A6 Grower]

100/g?!?!? There's not a shop in eastern WA that sells g's for more then 70 retail and will pay more then ~30 wholesale.

 

[stoney917]

The oven is the key to makin glass wish i had one... ne picd of it out the oven????
Dont say nobody ever hits ya up deez..... lol ..holla at me when u in the area

 

[Lono]

thats what I understand as well although I'm not totally certain on what the temp of the butane is for a conventional blast. I know it's obviously cold enough to condensate/frost a good portion of the equipment but I don't know that I'd be fully confident that it was reaching -50c without some assistance. The guy from hgh mentioned something about a secondary chamber that collected the liquid butane after being passed through the material column, the chamber was somehow supercooled using dry-ice and then left alone for a while to allow the waxes/fats to separate and then it was pressurized and passed through a series of filters to eliminate the waste/wax on it's way into the collection/purge chamber. the end product is much more stable in terms of not waxing up after being handled, stored etc...it stays clear and the consistency remains over time. just some food for thought, I imagine these processing rigs will only continue to advance.

part of their process includes freezing EVERYTHING for however long, I wonder if you floated your butane tank in some salty ice water what kind of temps you would be able to get it to drop to?

the concentrate market is a game changer for sure, the guys at hgh only run rooms to 45 days and then blast everything...it's out the door @ $60/g wholesale and retails @ $100/g...so they're pulling down approx 8x per year and even @ a 20% return on blasting (1.5# x .2 = 134.4g x $60 = $8k per light average x 8 runs per year = $64k from one light per year...wow, i never really broke that down until now)

If they harvest at 45 days, I have my doubts. Especially for TOP dollar(I've never heard of more than $100/g). Here in CO, $60/g retail for the best, but can be found for much cheaper(especially if you know a guy )

That $64k has a lot of expenses that need to be taken out of it. Grower's salary, trim-crew, having it extracted, etc etc. If they walked away with half of that I'd be surprised.

Are those numbers at all accurate? I don't think so. But that's just my opinion. Pointless to me to try to calculate that sort of stuff, as it is nearly impossible.