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140 gallon RDWC

Bennyweed1

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LOL! Build my system and sit back and watch the money roll in! Don't skimp on the air pumps though, or watch your money go back down the toilet. You won't believe how easy it is once you start using my techniques.

I for sure dig your system but the process of building the bulk heads seem like a pain. I read at one point only one supplier you knew stocked the o rings to seal the drain traps and the supply was limited.

I have been considering just buying a full set of current culture bulk heads.
 
benny keep doing work..

i am going to start hunting the pieces down let you know how it goes


i am smoking on some pineapple skunk

waiting on the bluealien technology

looking at godbud beans
 

sahdgrower

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I found similar gaskets at Lowe's and home depot. They were much more pricey than reliant rubber however they are readily available and we are really only talking $40 give or take for enough to make a snype system
 

Bennyweed1

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I found similar gaskets at Lowe's and home depot. They were much more pricey than reliant rubber however they are readily available and we are really only talking $40 give or take for enough to make a snype system

Really? And they worked out fine? Would you mind showing me a picture or referencing a link?
 

Snype

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I for sure dig your system but the process of building the bulk heads seem like a pain. I read at one point only one supplier you knew stocked the o rings to seal the drain traps and the supply was limited.

I have been considering just buying a full set of current culture bulk heads.

The parts are mad easy to make. I'm actually going to start making all the parts and you can buy them directly from the same store that I give the washers to. I don't use O-Rings and I had thousands of washers manufactured specifically for this system. You can buy the washers right here:

Neoprene Washer. 3/16" thickness x 1-7/8" ID x 2-1/4" OD Neoprene, Black in 50 durometer. Available at Northern Roots Grow Supply - 207-875-2089

4 bucket systems = 20 Washers
6 bucket systems = 28 Washers
8 bucket systems = 36 Washers
10 bucket systems = 44 Washers
12 bucket systems = 52 Washers
 
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I for sure dig your system but the process of building the bulk heads seem like a pain. I read at one point only one supplier you knew stocked the o rings to seal the drain traps and the supply was limited.

I have been considering just buying a full set of current culture bulk heads.

You can also make bulkheads from carlon water tight electrical fittings found at lowes and el depot for a couple bucks each... You can find the instructions in the big plant ppk thread. Pretty much just a male and female water tight electrical fitting, they come in all size, are dirt cheap and I have not had a leak using them.
 

Bennyweed1

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You can also make bulkheads from carlon water tight electrical fittings found at lowes and el depot for a couple bucks each... You can find the instructions in the big plant ppk thread. Pretty much just a male and female water tight electrical fitting, they come in all size, are dirt cheap and I have not had a leak using them.

I have looked at those so many times. I can not get them to thread all the way down. They just stop threading about 3/4 of the way down and then are impossible to separate.
 

Snype

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I have looked at those so many times. I can not get them to thread all the way down. They just stop threading about 3/4 of the way down and then are impossible to separate.
That's cause you're not getting the right piece. Order a few of the ones that I posted in the tutorial online. My pieces don't screw all the way down but when you add both of the washers then it screws to the washers. Certain fittings are not meant to be screwed all the way down and they are tapered. The Electrical Grey Pieces are meant to screw all the way down but the white ones aren't. Each company has a different type of taper but the ones that I listed in the RDWC Build Tutorial is the one that I find that works best. All you have to do is go on google and do a search for the product that I listed. Then it comes right to your house. I'm about to order thousands of them so if you can't find them, you can get them at the store that I sell the washers at for a huge markup.

I supplied the bar codes on the pictures for a reason. Look how easy it was to find at Home Depot:

NIBCO 1-1/2 in. PVC DWV Hub x SJ Trap Adapter
http://www.homedepot.com/b/Plumbing...ouplings-Adaptors/1-1-2"/N-5yc1vZbux2Z1z0u2lt

Here it is again right on the NIBCO website:
http://www.nibco.com/Fittings/Plastic-Fittings/PVC-DWV-Fittings/4801-7-Trap-Adapter-H-x-SJ-PVC-DWV/

Like I said the barcodes are there for a reason.
 

Bennyweed1

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That's cause you're not getting the right piece. Order a few of the ones that I posted in the tutorial online. My pieces don't screw all the way down but when you add both of the washers then it screws to the washers. Certain fittings are not meant to be screwed all the way down and they are tapered. The Electrical Grey Pieces are meant to screw all the way down but the white ones aren't. Each company has a different type of taper but the ones that I listed in the RDWC Build Tutorial is the one that I find that works best. All you have to do is go on google and do a search for the product that I listed. Then it comes right to your house. I'm about to order thousands of them so if you can't find them, you can get them at the store that I sell the washers at for a huge markup.

I supplied the bar codes on the pictures for a reason. Look how easy it was to find at Home Depot:

NIBCO 1-1/2 in. PVC DWV Hub x SJ Trap Adapter
http://www.homedepot.com/b/Plumbing...ouplings-Adaptors/1-1-2"/N-5yc1vZbux2Z1z0u2lt

Here it is again right on the NIBCO website:
http://www.nibco.com/Fittings/Plastic-Fittings/PVC-DWV-Fittings/4801-7-Trap-Adapter-H-x-SJ-PVC-DWV/

Like I said the barcodes are there for a reason.

Snype, thanks for being so damn detailed. Your a stiller type of guy. I am in the process of designing a new grow room that will be located in a enclosed trailer so I can move it when ever I need to.

My personal situation requires the ability to move the grow (landlords, fire inspections....ext) and what easier way then a enclosed trailer with all the bell and whistles?

Im at a cross roads though about how I want to construct the rdwc system.

Here is was I have so far:

I would install two 12v Optima blue top batteries wired in a series circuit hooked up to a DC/AC converter which will solely be used to run water pumps and carbon filter fan for up too 5 hours when the trailer needs to be moved (when parked temporarily).

Here is the trailer I am going to buy when that time comes:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-6x12-En.../161318625998?pt=Trailers&hash=item258f56e2ce

and here is my idea for the inside layout. I would construct a wall dead center to divide the trailer into two 6x6 sections. It is a V nose trailer that is actually 13'.6" long. I would hang the co2 gen and reserv in the nose.

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I would wire a 40amp 240v breaker in the trailer for the 4 -600w HPS and 2 - 20amp 120v breakers for everything else. The exterior will have two receptacles (120/240) like you would have on an RV for shore power so it can easily be connected and disconnected for moving.

Any pointers or improvements much appreciated! Total cost will be around $5,500 or less.

EDIT*** 18000btu not 1800
 

Snype

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Snype, thanks for being so damn detailed. Your a stiller type of guy. I am in the process of designing a new grow room that will be located in a enclosed trailer so I can move it when ever I need to.

My personal situation requires the ability to move the grow (landlords, fire inspections....ext) and what easier way then a enclosed trailer with all the bell and whistles?

Im at a cross roads though about how I want to construct the rdwc system.

Here is was I have so far:

I would install two 12v Optima blue top batteries wired in a series circuit hooked up to a DC/AC converter which will solely be used to run water pumps and carbon filter fan for up too 5 hours when the trailer needs to be moved (when parked temporarily).

Here is the trailer I am going to buy when that time comes:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-6x12-En.../161318625998?pt=Trailers&hash=item258f56e2ce

and here is my idea for the inside layout. I would construct a wall dead center to divide the trailer into two 6x6 sections. It is a V nose trailer that is actually 13'.6" long. I would hang the co2 gen and reserv in the nose.

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I would wire a 40amp 240v breaker in the trailer for the 4 -600w HPS and 2 - 20amp 120v breakers for everything else. The exterior will have two receptacles (120/240) like you would have on an RV for shore power so it can easily be connected and disconnected for moving.

Any pointers or improvements much appreciated! Total cost will be around $5,500 or less.

EDIT*** 18000btu not 1800
I see what you're trying to do. I'm not qualified to speak on vertical type grows. Also the way that your system in your design flows seems like it could be better. I know you're trying to hide the controller in the corner so you have access to it and other things because your space is so small but I like 2 connections to my controllers. I'm not sure what size plants you are trying to grow but I have a feeling you're trying to grow bigger plants because you need to get 5 pounds with your 9 plants. So you would need bigger buckets than the ones that I use and bigger pipes. Your 2" pipes would most likely end up getting clogged by roots and it would be very difficult to access all your buckets. The other problem is that because you would need bigger buckets at least twice the size of mine, you would need air pumps twice the size which would be running 120 watts 24 hours per day. If you had buckets that held 6 gallons of solution, you would need an air pump rated at 120 Liters per minute like an Alita AL-120 which would cost you about $400. If you used bigger buckets that that then you would need an even more expensive air pump. These aren't things that I would skimp on. My design takes all these cost into consideration as well as no more than 14 day VEG times to maximize a crop so I can get away with the 1.5" pipes and 5 gallon buckets that only hold 3 gallons in each bucket. It's set up for horizontal growing though. That's why it's hard to tell you what to do because you probably have your own ideas of how you're going to run this with no air pump or something like that. Not really sure. I'd personally rather relocate to a space that works instead of spend all that money to make something work alright.
 

Bennyweed1

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I see what you're trying to do. I'm not qualified to speak on vertical type grows. Also the way that your system in your design flows seems like it could be better. I know you're trying to hide the controller in the corner so you have access to it and other things because your space is so small but I like 2 connections to my controllers. I'm not sure what size plants you are trying to grow but I have a feeling you're trying to grow bigger plants because you need to get 5 pounds with your 9 plants. So you would need bigger buckets than the ones that I use and bigger pipes. Your 2" pipes would most likely end up getting clogged by roots and it would be very difficult to access all your buckets. The other problem is that because you would need bigger buckets at least twice the size of mine, you would need air pumps twice the size which would be running 120 watts 24 hours per day. If you had buckets that held 6 gallons of solution, you would need an air pump rated at 120 Liters per minute like an Alita AL-120 which would cost you about $400. If you used bigger buckets that that then you would need an even more expensive air pump. These aren't things that I would skimp on. My design takes all these cost into consideration as well as no more than 14 day VEG times to maximize a crop so I can get away with the 1.5" pipes and 5 gallon buckets that only hold 3 gallons in each bucket. It's set up for horizontal growing though. That's why it's hard to tell you what to do because you probably have your own ideas of how you're going to run this with no air pump or something like that. Not really sure. I'd personally rather relocate to a space that works instead of spend all that money to make something work alright.

5 elbows? no way. i settle for .80g/watt. synpe, fuckin' cheers and thanks for getting back to me. i am running air pumps, i just didnt through them in the mark up. i have a new alita 120 sitting in the box as we speak.

and your right about the dual connection on the control. I have a new idea already. Ill re vamp that illustration and post up later.
 
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I have looked at those so many times. I can not get them to thread all the way down. They just stop threading about 3/4 of the way down and then are impossible to separate.

You have to use the gray electrical fittings in the electric aisle the plumbing parts don't thread all the way.. Ill try to put a picture up of the ones I have
 

Ttystikk

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I stared the thread and it looked like mine; 27 gallon tuffboxes, vertical and no airstones. Now it's about a trailer. I was hoping to see/hear more about how the tuffboxes worked out?
 

Bennyweed1

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I stared the thread and it looked like mine; 27 gallon tuffboxes, vertical and no airstones. Now it's about a trailer. I was hoping to see/hear more about how the tuffboxes worked out?

They didnt work out. The no airstone thing was canned in the first 48 hours.

The pump needed to push the amount of water needed to create the dissolved amount of o2 needed created far to much heat in the reserv.

A lot has changed in my situation since then. And Snype has it right in his designs.

Teh tuff boxes would work better for a stand alone DWC but for RDWC it was to much h20 to move around.
 

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