Terpenator MK5 assembly

[shiftypickle]

Soooooooooooooooo i bought a MK5 kit, hahaha these things are no joke. as my production level requires the use of a system able to process 5lbs or more this is the first system i have owned. shit i wont lie i hadnt seen one run before the day i picked mine up. but do not discout the fact that for the most part i totally understand the operation and safety so on and so forth. im not a super newb, just super intimidated by all the plumbing that i have yet to do for this. The "Recovery T" on my lower spool is what im the least sure about, also the pressure relief valves represented on the schematic, no MK5 i have seen possessed these valves. i need some pictures of a properly assembled MK5, Gray do you have any?? the schematic doesnt help me because i dont know what a pressure transducer is...yeah this is more than i can handle

also this system needs a 500lber? i thought it needed a 125lber

these are the images i have as a reference to assemble this

 

[shiftypickle]

The First pic is my unit in my garage at home. I'm honestly just a little intimidated therefore hampered from really delving into this. Its not beyond my understanding just a little beyond my comfort level

 

[Gray Wolf]

Soooooooooooooooo i bought a MK5 kit, hahaha these things are no joke. as my production level requires the use of a system able to process 5lbs or more this is the first system i have owned. shit i wont lie i hadnt seen one run before the day i picked mine up. but do not discout the fact that for the most part i totally understand the operation and safety so on and so forth. im not a super newb, just super intimidated by all the plumbing that i have yet to do for this. The "Recovery T" on my lower spool is what im the least sure about, also the pressure relief valves represented on the schematic, no MK5 i have seen possessed these valves. i need some pictures of a properly assembled MK5, Gray do you have any?? the schematic doesnt help me because i dont know what a pressure transducer is...yeah this is more than i can handle

also this system needs a 500lber? i thought it needed a 125lber

these are the images i have as a reference to assemble this

The Mk V injection tee has a 1/2" inch and a 3/8" nipple sticking out of it.

The 3/8" nipple on the two injection tees are connected to a common butane supply line as pictured. A tee in the supply line goes to the vent line, for the top flush system. I used stainless tubing with Parker compression fittings from Paramount Supply

The 1/2" nipples are also tied together, and are the vents to the recovery pumps, that enable the columns to be recovered separately from the lower pot. The radiused 1/2" stainless tubing ties the column recovery system to the pot recovery pumping system, as one of the recovery options. You can also attach a vacuum pump at the valve shown.

Since your system will be cart mounted, you will most likely be relocating the recovery manifold to the frame and using a 1" recovery hose as shown.

You don't need a pressure transducer to build a manual system, the schematic shown is for automation and automatic valves. The plumbing logic is still the same.

100# tank is fine for the Mk V.

We are cart mounting the unit in the picture, and you are welcome to view it, touch it, and take pictures when you pick up your frame.

 

[shiftypickle]

This clarifies quite a bit, thanks much Graywolf. The top ports on the recovery T are pumps correct? The bottom most port is vacuum, and the smaller bottom port is for the pressure relief? Also on the schematic there is a line connecting the intakes of the recovery pumps, is this to make sure equal pressure is going into each pump? Also is it necessary or just for the Haskel's represented

 

[shiftypickle]

Are those extra triband-to-FNPT for relocating the recovery T? I forgot what you specified as their function

 

[dopecook]

that thing is giving me a stuffy....

 

[Gray Wolf]

This clarifies quite a bit, thanks much Graywolf. The top ports on the recovery T are pumps correct? The bottom most port is vacuum, and the smaller bottom port is for the pressure relief? Also on the schematic there is a line connecting the intakes of the recovery pumps, is this to make sure equal pressure is going into each pump? Also is it necessary or just for the Haskel's represented

Yes, the manifold with the two 1/2" FNPT nipples goes on top of the ball valve, and is where you hook your recovery pumps.

The lower manifold with the 1/4" and 1/2" nipples, is where the vacuum pump connects and you read and relieve overpressure.

When you move the recovery manifold from the lid to the cart frame, there is an additional 1 1/2" sanitary tee added to the manifold, which we will supply with the frame. That allows you to run a hose from the remote manifold to the lid. The two 1 1/2" Triclamp X 1" FNPT fittings that we supplied with the kit are for that purpose.

The lines connecting the two Haskel pumps are to enable the electronics to use one or both pumps for the same or for different purposes using automatic valving. Everything tied together, vis a vis the columns and tanks separately

 

[shiftypickle]

So there does NOT need to be a line connecting the intake of whatever two pumps I'm running?

 

[shiftypickle]

Oh OK, I see that valve allows you to valve off one pump and still have the other one recovering its ports

 

[shiftypickle]

And also again... I need some clarification on recovering.

Carla had the evap line before the pump in taken to make sure vapor only goes into the pump.

And then on here people are talking about running liquid through their pumps whereas you said that would turn it into a little miniature jet engine haha?

I'm confused I thought running the pumps dry is what is bad for them

 

[shiftypickle]

http://www.centurytool.net/14530_3_Manchester_100lb_3_4_Valve_Refillable_p/man14530.3.htm

Is this tank proper? I'd imagine 3/4 ports allow more flow? It says its rated for 400psi I'm guessing that's good. And some of these are three port tanks allowing for vapor purge is that something I want for when I am venting out moisture and trash gases?

 

[shiftypickle]

https://www.gvc.net/c/2436/bolted-sight-glass

They carry acrylic sight glasses rated for crazy psi levels, though not the 750 as the one you mentioned before. But these are also very expensive, as their boro sights are the same cost as their acrylic that can only mean they cost roughly the same to manufacture which we have seen from glacier tank that a sight glass costs 50-100ish?

I want to put sight glasses under my columns because I am going to be running bi-directional. Are glacier's 2inch glass rated for a safe level or do I need a better rated glass

 

[Gray Wolf]

So there does NOT need to be a line connecting the intake of whatever two pumps I'm running?

No, they each have a separate connection to the manifold.

 

[Gray Wolf]

And also again... I need some clarification on recovering.

Carla had the evap line before the pump in taken to make sure vapor only goes into the pump.

And then on here people are talking about running liquid through their pumps whereas you said that would turn it into a little miniature jet engine haha?

I'm confused I thought running the pumps dry is what is bad for them

Dry means under vacuum. Without butane vapor to lubricate them, the pump seals wear faster.

 

[Gray Wolf]

http://www.centurytool.net/14530_3_Manchester_100lb_3_4_Valve_Refillable_p/man14530.3.htm

Is this tank proper? I'd imagine 3/4 ports allow more flow? It says its rated for 400psi I'm guessing that's good. And some of these are three port tanks allowing for vapor purge is that something I want for when I am venting out moisture and trash gases?

That is the 100 tank that we use. Some of the larger tanks have a port in the bottom for purging water, which is good.

 

[Gray Wolf]

https://www.gvc.net/c/2436/bolted-sight-glass

They carry acrylic sight glasses rated for crazy psi levels, though not the 750 as the one you mentioned before. But these are also very expensive, as their boro sights are the same cost as their acrylic that can only mean they cost roughly the same to manufacture which we have seen from glacier tank that a sight glass costs 50-100ish?

I want to put sight glasses under my columns because I am going to be running bi-directional. Are glacier's 2inch glass rated for a safe level or do I need a better rated glass

If you put them between two closed valves and a column full of butane, they aren't rated for the pressure than can easily develop. I know of two that ruptured when the operator lost track of what he was doing and stood bullshitting too long.

 

[shiftypickle]

If you put them between two closed valves and a column full of butane, they aren't rated for the pressure than can easily develop. I know of two that ruptured when the operator lost track of what he was doing and stood bullshitting too long.

What if I put them under valves first, like a second set of the rebuildable dump valves

 

[Gray Wolf]

What if I put them under valves first, like a second set of the rebuildable dump valves

The greatest issue is that you don't want them full of liquid and warming up, if the pressure has no place to go. Butane storage tanks are only allowed an 80% fill to compensate for expansion for temperature rises.

 

[shiftypickle]

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Here's a pic of my current stage of assembly for anyone watching this thread

 

[shiftypickle]

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