VINTAGE CANNABIS STRAINS AND TOLERANCE

[graham12]

I know you guys had some great strains in the 60s and 70s like Acapulco Gold, Haze, columbian Gold. But I was just wondering if you noticed much tolerance build up to these strains ? Iv heard that people could smoke these strains all day and still get the same effects ?.

I used to believe that if you smoked allot of herb you develop a tolerance no matter what,the same with hash. However from reading about vintage strains and sativas i now believe its more down to the weed. What do you think ? cheers

 

[vostok]

You are correct tolerance does build up, always best to take a holiday ...now and back then, just back then it wasn't so prolific

 

[Rinse]

Many modern hybrid strains, in which the phytocompound profiles are dominated by THC due to breeding, are easy to build a tolerance too.

Tropical sativas like you mention that were common in the 60's/70's have a different (and fuller) phytocompound spectrum due to both genetics and the tropical environment.
More often the effects are not only more complex and longer lasting, but have a higher ceiling, and are harder to build a tolerance too.
Its all in the terpenes that interact with the THC and other cannabinoids, the "entourage effect".

The good news is many of these sativas are still available, if you have the patience for their long flowering times.

 

[graham12]

thanks Rinse, can you name any strains of the top of your head that you had with no ceiling ?. Im growing super lemon haze at the minute but i want to start building a seed collection.

 

[Jon 54]

thanks Rinse, can you name any strains of the top of your head that you had with no ceiling ?. Im growing super lemon haze at the minute but i want to start building a seed collection.

Get right into the Mexican thru Colombian Sativas. If grown properely there is very little ceiling to these strains. Stay away from the Dutch Sativas as they bare products of a crippled wasted gene pool. Look into some Spanish strains as they are grown in a much similar climate as the originals.
Jon 54

 

[Rinse]

thanks Rinse, can you name any strains of the top of your head that you had with no ceiling ?. Im growing super lemon haze at the minute but i want to start building a seed collection.

South African sati's are great as they flower consistently with high quality effects.
Like Jon 54 mentioned Mexican and Colombian strains, from what Ive read "mextiza" from cbg is very up with no ceiling.
Then there are S.E Asian strains Kerala, Thais, PNG etc.
Usually harder to grow outside their native climate and very long flowering, best to ask the Oz growers about those lines.

 

[idiit]

i'm 60 years old. i never saw tolerance build up issues in late 70's early 80's. tolerance build up wasn't even a concept ever talked about imo. the only indicas were homegrown (no indica import in my neck of the woods back in da day).

i grew out a zamal/angola red last year. pure sativa hybrid. after 6 months of smoking nearly every day my strain tester says she is not getting the same high effects. perhaps tolerance build up, maybe short shelf life. we are talking wake and bake until she hits the bed at night every day for 6 months in this case.

i have never seen tolerance build up from any of my od grown landrace sativas in the last few years. i smoked my 2011 super trippy golden tiger every night for 2 months straight in 2012 (ran out of bud) and enjoyed the same super potency, super trippy high effets every night. i still smoke my 2012 golden tiger and have not seen any drop in potency after all this time. still has same high effects.

new skool does not believe this.

 

[meltybubble]

i'm 60 years old. i never saw tolerance build up issues in late 70's early 80's. tolerance build up wasn't even a concept ever talked about imo. the only indicas were homegrown (no indica import in my neck of the woods back in da day).

i grew out a zamal/angola red last year. pure sativa hybrid. after 6 months of smoking nearly every day my strain tester says she is not getting the same high effects. perhaps tolerance build up, maybe short shelf life. we are talking wake and bake until she hits the bed at night every day for 6 months in this case.

i have never seen tolerance build up from any of my od grown landrace sativas in the last few years. i smoked my 2011 super trippy golden tiger every night for 2 months straight in 2012 (ran out of bud) and enjoyed the same super potency, super trippy high effets every night. i still smoke my 2012 golden tiger and have not seen any drop in potency after all this time. still has same high effects.

new skool does not believe this.

Totally agree..
Alot of users have yet to experience a good Sativa, the flowering period puts many off and they fail to get the full picture when it comes to cannabis and it effects.
An electric haze gets you high on high, once there its not a case of
tolerance but learning that what you feel can be enhanced or detracted from by your own state of mind.
Is it a ceiling effect or boredom?
I know variety is the spice of life, choose well and ease the pain of bumping your head on the ceiling.

peace.

 

[graham12]

A few weeks ago I got Bubblemans Bubblebox every night for the past few weeks iv been sifting for about 15 minutes very lightly and slowly. This morning iv just tried a little through my bong for the first time. It was stunning lol, this is what im looking for from a cannabis product, the perfect balance mellowness and creativity. I felt like Hendrix when I was playing the guitar even though im shit and find the little things funny.
The problem is that after a few weeks of sifiting iv still got hardly fuck all lol. Thanks for the replies I think another problem is im in the UK we got no sun lol.

 

[graham12]

With al the good hashes You guys get in the USA. Would you say these hashes are a good substitute for those old school strains ? like Columbian Gold and Original Haze.

 

[Rinse]

With al the good hashes You guys get in the USA. Would you say these hashes are a good substitute for those old school strains ? like Columbian Gold and Original Haze.

Middle eastern/Asian hash is not the same as a long flowered sativa, very generally speaking, the hash is more mellow.
If you can get hold of a greenhouse you would be surprised what you can finish, look up "Ciskei" and "Bangi Haze", they are true sativas that flower fast.
Or if your going outside look up "hybrids from hell" they have some mostly sativas, if you made hash from those it would be pretty serious.

 

[maryjaneismyfre]

Tolerance is real, take a heart pounding sativa, make a big batch of oil from it and smoke it like a piggy.. It takes week or 2 max and joints of weed won't get you high anymore unless you put in a big dollop of oil. Then try abstain for a month and then smoke that haze,and then tell me, while you are tripping your face off with a reduced tolerance that tolerance doesn't exist..

I've been in the ciskei before on a smoking trip, where I had a good tolerance from my homegrown, which ran out, and the local dope just would not get me stoned. In the end we were trying to put wild 'shrooms' in a bottleneck pipe (younger days haha) with the dope to try get high. After a few weeks in the bush we got a bag of swazi from some travellers and the stuff blew my head off when it normally wouldn't do much to me either, my tolerance was down. Modern hybrids are very strong compared to a lot of older landraces, which themselves vary greatly, with a more complex cannabanoid profile and IMO push your tolerance up quicker. Swazi's high is also very different from transkei/ciskei and even in those areas, esp transkei/ciskei there are a lot of different sativa's and for the last 10 years hybrids also.

Another thing, hash or oil from 'get up and go' ganja is 'get up and go' hash/oil and likewise 'sit your ass on the couch' dope makes 'sit your ass on the couch' hash. The extract takes its character from the dope it was made from as it is just a concentrate of its active ingredients. Most traditional sativas, IME only excluding some thai's, have very small resin glands so using them for hash will make low yields, crossing once with an afghan and then backcrossing or crossing to a sativa line will make a superior soaring hash that yields well too with large glands to collect/extract. A pure afghan hash will 'sit your ass down' but the hybrids hash will have far more 'body' to the high than the pure sativa and more "up" than the afghan. Some hybrids will make hash that will just be hectic and blast you too far into space to either sit you on the couch or make you get up and go. Some landraces will have tiny glands and be quite shocking smokes, but when often making oil or hash and getting low yields one finds a high quality resin/high/scent that warrants more exploration which would be lost in all the plant material before ie. low amounts of small glands but high quality of resin in them, this is a good plant for crossing into indica lines but high yield of high quality sativa for crossing is generally better.

For really amazing hash, try and get some of the chocolope/shishkaberry hybrids from me available as freebies from the 'bay. Also old school skunks and hybrids of them like blue cheese make AAAAmazing hash but remember look into the lineage since the more afghan crossed in to the strain will result higher yield and more stone/sleepy in the hash, $eedfinder.com is a great tool for lineage research. Other strains for soaring hash are amnesia haze and chocolope (also haze-c99/thai/durban lineage) if you can get a good cut of these, they have particular terpene profiles with good yields of large glands and lovely sativa highs on the oil.

Sorry to go back to the topic, I think every chemical which physiologically acts upon our bodies builds some sort of tolerance due to background processes of our bodies self-regulation. So all dope would build some sorts of tolerance, old school or hybrid or what not, some would just do it differently or like modern hybrids, with a complex cannabanoid punch, push the tolerance up more effectively. The trick, I think I have to accept after all these years, when your tolerance goes up is not to find a strain with no ceiling but to moderate your intake and bring your tolerance down a bit.

 

[armedoldhippy]

it may just be me, but about halfway through a bag it used to start going downhill. now that I smoke MUCH less & much less often, I can get mangled on just a couple of hits of good weed. sometimes less really IS more...

 

[Infinitesimal]

the term would be "up regulation" of the "anandamide system" or endocannabinoid system... its real... the thing is that (like rinse said) some of the special effects of these sativas come from the synergistic effects of complex cannabinoids and terpenoids together... making less = more, less overall THC consumed for a more pronounced effect, therefore a higher ceiling and slower up regulation "tolerance build up".

those are my ideas based on what I have learned anyway so take that for what its worth

 

[rives]

I grew up smoking most of the strains from the 60's & 70's (having an older brother that moved a bunch of it helped!), and yes, we would frequently "smoke ourselves straight". We either had to take a break or change to a different strain. As armedoldhippy said, the secret is to smoke less.

 

[tropicannayeah]

A few weeks ago I got Bubblemans Bubblebox every night for the past few weeks iv been sifting for about 15 minutes very lightly and slowly. This morning iv just tried a little through my bong for the first time. It was stunning lol, this is what im looking for from a cannabis product, the perfect balance mellowness and creativity. I felt like Hendrix when I was playing the guitar even though im shit and find the little things funny.
The problem is that after a few weeks of sifiting iv still got hardly fuck all lol. Thanks for the replies I think another problem is im in the UK we got no sun lol.

So true, nothing beats dry sift, especially when it's pure and you made it yourself (and even better from plants you grew)..........and the purer the dry sifted resin, the harder hitting and better the high is.

and regarding tolerance - I find that I develop a tolerance to most modern hybrids way faster than I do with tropical sativas.

 

[Jon 54]

With al the good hashes You guys get in the USA. Would you say these hashes are a good substitute for those old school strains ? like Columbian Gold and Original Haze.

I haven't had any true hashish either Moroccan or Afghan since 1986 in my area!! The truth is there is almost no import hash on the market in Southern California and if there was and I could find some I would pay way over the market price and cop as much as I could because I'm a old hash head since the early seventies.

Jon 54

 

[graham12]

I haven't had any true hashish either Moroccan or Afghan since 1986 in my area!! The truth is there is almost no import hash on the market in Southern California and if there was and I could find some I would pay way over the market price and cop as much as I could because I'm a old hash head since the early seventies.

Jon 54

Hi Jon, did you ever try some of the hash the Brotherhood Of Eternal Love were importing at the time ? it may have been a bit earlier in the 60s. I love hash.

 

[gekolite]

late sixties early 70's brotherhood imports,, afghan primo , none better

 

[mik']

My BEST landrace ?

hybrid of 3 landraces

Trainwreck !



......... I joke !